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IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby MrBlack » Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:44 am

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Randomhero wrote:I've been in the boat of I don't think this was a very good story.

Sorry but there's a lot of things I don't like and believe would have happened. The DJD coincidently showing up on the Necroworld the exact same time getaway and the Council team up to dispatch Megatron. It's too perfect. The council even bothering to rebuild Overlord to dispatch Megatron when they have fleets of ships that are capable of leveling planets. It reminds of all the talk about how powerful and indestructible overlord is yet he was taken out by a couple missiles that blow up asteroids. I'm looking forward to this issue because that means it's over and we can move on.

It seems like the prevailing theory is that Getaway made a deal with the Galactic Council to isolate Megatron, and the Necroworld distress call/attack was just a convenient opportunity to carry out that plan.

The DJD set up the distress call/attack independently to lure the Lost Light to them, and the crew saw an opportunity to carry out the mutiny. They made sure all the Megatron sympathizers were on the Rodpod, sabotaged its new engine so they could not escape the planet, and sent them on their way. The crew expected the Galactic Council to take care of Megatron; they didn't know that the DJD was on Necroworld. That's why Overlord showed up much later: The Galactic Council didn't know where Megatron and Team Rodimus were until Getaway told them.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:47 am

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Yeah, it's... not really a coincidence. The comics themselves state that the DJD was luring them to the planet, the rest of the Lost Lighters found that and figured it was a good opportunity to dump them off and done that.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:49 am

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Randomhero wrote:I've been in the boat of I don't think this was a very good story.

Sorry but there's a lot of things I don't like and believe would have happened. The DJD coincidently showing up on the Necroworld the exact same time getaway and the Council team up to dispatch Megatron. It's too perfect. The council even bothering to rebuild Overlord to dispatch Megatron when they have fleets of ships that are capable of leveling planets. It reminds of all the talk about how powerful and indestructible overlord is yet he was taken out by a couple missiles that blow up asteroids. I'm looking forward to this issue because that means it's over and we can move on.

It seems like the prevailing theory is that Getaway made a deal with the Galactic Council to isolate Megatron, and the Necroworld distress call/attack was just a convenient opportunity to carry out that plan.

The DJD set up the distress call/attack independently to lure the Lost Light to them, and the crew saw an opportunity to carry out the mutiny. They made sure all the Megatron sympathizers were on the Rodpod, sabotaged its new engine so they could not escape the planet, and sent them on their way. The crew expected the Galactic Council to take care of Megatron; they didn't know that the DJD was on Necroworld. That's why Overlord showed up much later: The Galactic Council didn't know where Megatron and Team Rodimus were until Getaway told them.


Getaway made the deal. He said just hand Megatron over and no one gets hurt. Then like an hour later the alliance and Overlord show up. This was planned out by getaway. We honestly don't even know when he was freed either. He could have been freed for weeks and the crew would just report him still in his cell.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:51 am

Kurona wrote:Yeah, it's... not really a coincidence. The comics themselves state that the DJD was luring them to the planet, the rest of the Lost Lighters found that and figured it was a good opportunity to dump them off and done that.



But it's been stated the mutineers did not know. If th y had would they allow Rodimus and crew to go there? Before we knew he made the deal with the galactic council? Absolutely not. That was my biggest problem that people like hoist and percepter were okay with this. Now we know they didn't know the DJD were involved. It is a coincidence. They didn't know
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:00 am

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Randomhero wrote:
Kurona wrote:Yeah, it's... not really a coincidence. The comics themselves state that the DJD was luring them to the planet, the rest of the Lost Lighters found that and figured it was a good opportunity to dump them off and done that.



But it's been stated the mutineers did not know. If th y had would they allow Rodimus and crew to go there? Before we knew he made the deal with the galactic council? Absolutely not. That was my biggest problem that people like hoist and percepter were okay with this. Now we know they didn't know the DJD were involved. It is a coincidence. They didn't know

Yeah, they didn't know the DJD was there at all. Look, to put it simply...
DJD are on the hunt for Megsy and his new little ragtag buncha nerds. They figure a good way to do this is to send out a fake distress signal and set up camp on the necroplanet; probably because it's isolated.
Meanwhile, Getaway, Blaster, Riptide, Mainframe, Atomizer; all those guys have made a deal with the Galactic Council that they would hand over Megatron to be assassinated by their agent/agents, possibly - most likely, even - unknown to them to be a certain bastard phase-sixer. They've made that deal, but they need a way to do it. They need a way to hand over Megatron while also getting rid of Rodimus. Not the easiest thing in the galaxy to do. So they pick up a mysterious signal/psychic attack - perfect. They can use that to send Megatron, Rodimus etc. down there. They don't know who's down there, but does it matter? They're at the end of their tether and desperately need a way to get rid of these guys; might as well use this - when is an opportunity like it gonna come up again?

It's really quite simple.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby MrBlack » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:04 am

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I feel dumb for not having realized sooner that the reason Megatron is cowering behind the force field on the last page of the preview is because he's also subject to the effects of the distress signal.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:05 am

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MrBlack wrote:I feel dumb for not having realized sooner that the reason Megatron is cowering behind the force field on the last page of the preview is because he's also subject to the effects of the distress signal.

... oh damn, yeah...
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:09 am

Kurona wrote:
Randomhero wrote:
Kurona wrote:Yeah, it's... not really a coincidence. The comics themselves state that the DJD was luring them to the planet, the rest of the Lost Lighters found that and figured it was a good opportunity to dump them off and done that.



But it's been stated the mutineers did not know. If th y had would they allow Rodimus and crew to go there? Before we knew he made the deal with the galactic council? Absolutely not. That was my biggest problem that people like hoist and percepter were okay with this. Now we know they didn't know the DJD were involved. It is a coincidence. They didn't know

Yeah, they didn't know the DJD was there at all. Look, to put it simply...
DJD are on the hunt for Megsy and his new little ragtag buncha nerds. They figure a good way to do this is to send out a fake distress signal and set up camp on the necroplanet; probably because it's isolated.
Meanwhile, Getaway, Blaster, Riptide, Mainframe, Atomizer; all those guys have made a deal with the Galactic Council that they would hand over Megatron to be assassinated by their agent/agents, possibly - most likely, even - unknown to them to be a certain bastard phase-sixer. They've made that deal, but they need a way to do it. They need a way to hand over Megatron while also getting rid of Rodimus. Not the easiest thing in the galaxy to do. So they pick up a mysterious signal/psychic attack - perfect. They can use that to send Megatron, Rodimus etc. down there. They don't know who's down there, but does it matter? They're at the end of their tether and desperately need a way to get rid of these guys; might as well use this - when is an opportunity like it gonna come up again?


It's really quite simple.


Except they didn't send the signal. The necrobot sent the signal. They already said that he sent out the signal that was a warning, not a cry for help. The DJD showed up attacked and th necrobot sent it just before he was killed. Again it's all coincidental that the DJD are there and it's not that good of story telling
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:13 am

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Randomhero wrote:
Kurona wrote:
Randomhero wrote:
Kurona wrote:Yeah, it's... not really a coincidence. The comics themselves state that the DJD was luring them to the planet, the rest of the Lost Lighters found that and figured it was a good opportunity to dump them off and done that.



But it's been stated the mutineers did not know. If th y had would they allow Rodimus and crew to go there? Before we knew he made the deal with the galactic council? Absolutely not. That was my biggest problem that people like hoist and percepter were okay with this. Now we know they didn't know the DJD were involved. It is a coincidence. They didn't know

Yeah, they didn't know the DJD was there at all. Look, to put it simply...
DJD are on the hunt for Megsy and his new little ragtag buncha nerds. They figure a good way to do this is to send out a fake distress signal and set up camp on the necroplanet; probably because it's isolated.
Meanwhile, Getaway, Blaster, Riptide, Mainframe, Atomizer; all those guys have made a deal with the Galactic Council that they would hand over Megatron to be assassinated by their agent/agents, possibly - most likely, even - unknown to them to be a certain bastard phase-sixer. They've made that deal, but they need a way to do it. They need a way to hand over Megatron while also getting rid of Rodimus. Not the easiest thing in the galaxy to do. So they pick up a mysterious signal/psychic attack - perfect. They can use that to send Megatron, Rodimus etc. down there. They don't know who's down there, but does it matter? They're at the end of their tether and desperately need a way to get rid of these guys; might as well use this - when is an opportunity like it gonna come up again?


It's really quite simple.


Except they didn't send the signal. The necrobot sent the signal. They already said that he sent out the signal that was a warning, not a cry for help. The DJD showed up attacked and th necrobot sent it just before he was killed. Again it's all coincidental that the DJD are there and it's not that good of story telling

Except they did

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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:14 am

What doesn't make sense is why the Necroworld to begin with? Getaway and the council had a plan to lure team Rodimus to the Necroworld so they could abandon the crew and deliver Megatron to the the galactic council and be on their way to find the Knights.

The DJD showed up out of nowhere and killed the necrobot.

Here's my problem: what would have happened if the DJD didn't show up? They all show up and find him just hanging out saying "what are you all doing here?" This is my problem. If the DJD never showed then concere wouldn't have sent out a mental attack which means they would never have stopped there sooooo yeah this makes no sense.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:17 am

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Randomhero wrote:What doesn't make sense is why the Necroworld to begin with? Getaway and the council had a plan to lure team Rodimus to the Necroworld so they could abandon the crew and deliver Megatron to the the galactic council and be on their way to find the Knights.

The DJD showed up out of nowhere and killed the necrobot.

Here's my problem: what would have happened if the DJD didn't show up? They all show up and find him just hanging out saying "what are you all doing here?" This is my problem. If the DJD never showed then concere wouldn't have sent out a mental attack which means they would never have stopped there sooooo yeah this makes no sense.

There's literally nothing to say Getaway and the Galactic Council had any plan whatsoever to lure them specifically to the Necroworld.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:27 am

Kurona wrote:
Randomhero wrote:What doesn't make sense is why the Necroworld to begin with? Getaway and the council had a plan to lure team Rodimus to the Necroworld so they could abandon the crew and deliver Megatron to the the galactic council and be on their way to find the Knights.

The DJD showed up out of nowhere and killed the necrobot.

Here's my problem: what would have happened if the DJD didn't show up? They all show up and find him just hanging out saying "what are you all doing here?" This is my problem. If the DJD never showed then concere wouldn't have sent out a mental attack which means they would never have stopped there sooooo yeah this makes no sense.

There's literally nothing to say Getaway and the Galactic Council had any plan whatsoever to lure them specifically to the Necroworld.



Okay you have something there and I just came to it too:

The DJD knew the lost light had visited he Necroworld. They attacked killed the necrobot and waited for them to come. Meanwhile the mutineers had already been waiting for an opportunity to maroon the crew and Megatron. Once they found out about the distress call they realized this was the moment to act not knowing it involved an attack by the DJD. They thought it was just another silly adventure so they sabatoged the rodpod released getaway and he called the council telling them it's now or never and told the council that they're on the Necroworld without knowing why, thinking its a harmless deviation from the quest.

Okay I get it. Never mind lol it's all good
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:27 am

Kurona wrote:
MrBlack wrote:I feel dumb for not having realized sooner that the reason Megatron is cowering behind the force field on the last page of the preview is because he's also subject to the effects of the distress signal.

... oh damn, yeah...



Oh...oh ****...
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:39 pm

Makes you think maybe some on the lost light heard rewind send that.
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IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #55 Review

Postby ScottyP » Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:20 pm

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A Review of Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #55

As spoiler-free as I can make it

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Here we are, 4 years, 7 months, and a week since The Death of Optimus Prime, which ushered in what has arguably been the best long-form run of Transformers comics in history (that includes Robots in Disguise/The Transformers and all the various one-shots and mini-series within this time period, for the record.) Now that I've read More Than Meets The Eye 55, it feels like the end of an era. Yes, the story is continuing next month, and even once this iteration of the book wraps up with issue 57 there's still the Revolution tie-in book and a relaunch under the moniker of Lost Light, but do you feel it?

It feels like an act is done, the stage set for the next, but the immediate moment finds curtains drawn, house lights brought up, and an audience filing away. They'll mingle and chatter about what's been seen, some will speculate on what's still to come, but when the lights flicker and they come back they're going to know that the immediate next act is not one with the players just seen. Behind the curtains, a director is leaving the chair, costumes are being changed, and new actors are preparing for their debuts.

This drawn out analogy is important, as the content of MTMTE 55 is much more satisfying when considering the perceived feeling of significant change in the universe of Transformers comics. With this preamble done, let's dive into more specifics about this particular issue.

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While "Season 2" of More Than Meets The Eye has been running since directly after the Dark Cybertron crossover event arc, for this reviewer, there have always been two parts of this "Season": before issue 44, and after. That was the issue where Megatron's journey began to pivot, and it was also the point where the quantitative amount of mysteries that the book held in store seemed to hit a peak. From the last Scavengers two parter and on through "Speak, Memory" and "Dying of the Light", more questions have been slowly answered compared to the amount of new questions that have arisen. With this issue, hold on to your seat - my roller coaster analogy was not just an unusually popular Tweet. This book will hit you with story beats, character moments, major revelations, floods of emotion, and heart pounding suspense in rapid succession without leaving room for much time in between.

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A small sample of the intensity that awaits.

Make no mistake about it though, this issue is both the end of and very representative of "Season 2". It's all about the journey, and not every reader, including very devoted MTMTE followers, will be satisfied with every direction taken.

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No really, this will be the reaction some of you have. But to which part?

As can be expected of a James Roberts penned book, each turn is clever and well explained within the words and imagery present. If you like "James Roberts clever twists", you'll love this issue to pieces, though the massive amount of content pressed into twenty pages of comic does lead some of these to feel anticlimactic. That's indeed a critique, but the immediate counterpoint is that some things just had to be quickly handled for this story to do everything it wanted to do. Maybe some initial ideas got punted or changed, especially looking back to the solicit for the issue, or maybe they didn't and I just don't fully grasp the solicitation's text yet.

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Some other staff members here on Seibertron have expressed similar laments on this concluding piece of a larger arc, ranging from comments on how the book couldn't quite help "Dying of the Light" top the floor of its reach, to one about some turns not literally being 'deus ex machina' moments yet managing to feel the same way.

To me, this is more of an issue of prioritization and not even pacing anymore. Character moments are, it would seem, purposely given more real estate than answered questions (when they aren't one in the same), and not every fruit borne of promising seeds ends up tasting ripe on the first bite due to this balance. Having had the luxury of time to think a great deal before writing this review, it should be said that while there was some initial bitterness on the palette during the initial tasting, nothing lingered and it's all settled in very satisfyingly. Your mileage may vary, as MTMTE "Season 2", like many delicacies, can be an acquired taste.

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I told you - non-spoiler images just aren't abound in this issue!

For the production of the book (full credits may be found here), get ready for Milne, Lafuente, and Long at their very best. Each character looks exactly as your brain tells you their MTMTE iteration looks, complete with super expressive facial features, body language, and movements. These are highlighted by all the 'choom's and 'vromp's you can shake a stick at, with the colors of the characters and environments putting a tidy bow on a beautifully presented package.

Visually speaking, this delivers everything you could want and then some. There are even some visual cues that lead me to believe the events in the latter part of the book may be, well, more than meets the eye.

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I think that what is tinfoil may never a'luminate. And I'm sorry.

Hats off to the entire team, even those contributing just in the form of variant covers like Nick Roche, Josh Burcham, Brendan Cahill, and Jean-Paul Bove, and of course to outgoing editor John Barber.

... and ROM The Space Knight.

Verdict
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Like the rest of More Than Meets The Eye for the past couple of years, you might read this tomorrow and feel underwhelmed by a few points. If you're someone that's looking for more passive Transformers entertainment and have been highly critical of issues 28-54, you'll be highly critical of 55. If you've enjoyed chewing through every detail, and re-read old arcs over and over looking for clues on where things will go, or if you've just really enjoyed every bit of MTMTE since issue 28 without fail, you'll love this issue.

Ultimately, I found this to be a very satisfying conclusion to a very satisfying arc. The great character work shines, the story moves briskly, and nothing feels to have happened without at least some degree of thought out cause.

Did I like every twist? No, I think at least one huge opportunity for an amazing future story had a big red "abort" button pressed, and some others felt like fanservice that just didn't add anything except for those rooting for certain characters. There were some amazing twists though, and the end in particular has me watching my calendar and eyeing the IDW release schedule thinking only "How could they do this to us?!" Waiting for December is going to hurt.

When reflecting on how long and how deeply I've had to think about this issue, I'm glad to have held off on writing this review until days after my initial read. Thinking back to the moment when I reached the start of the third to last page, and how I was involuntarily at the edge of my chair, heart pounding in anticipation of what was or was not about to happen, the realization strikes that this journey, Megatron's journey, is a story that will stick with me for a long time.

Like Megatron, it isn't perfect, but there's a great deal to love despite a few rough edges.

. :CON: :CON: :CON: :CON: & 1/2 out of "Don't Change Back"
aka 4.5/5


Bonus! James Roberts' soundtrack suggestions for this issue:
  • The Sundays - Here's Where The Story Ends
  • Villagers - Everything I Have Is Yours
  • Ben Folds Five - Missing The War
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby MrBlack » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:44 am

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Just finished. Reading again. Crazy issue.

No spoilers, but just in case: A lot is explained, although one reveal is going to need a bit more in the way of explanation, or at least some folks here unpacking James Roberts' motivations.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby Ironhidensh » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:33 am

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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:39 am

I said seven months ago this story will probably be much better in trade all together. I was very unhappy with certain individual issue but as a whole it came together just fine

i love the fact that once tarns mask came off underneath was exactly why I imagined, he looked like everyone else. Other than his scars there's nothing that would have identified him to anyone. "Once we pull that mask off it'll be Roller!" Roller looks like everyone, it's the generic face. :lol: and Glitch! Anyone who says they saw coming is a liar!im honestly not disappointed I was wrong about him being proteus. I'd rather be wrong and surprised than right
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby Ironhidensh » Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:52 am

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Randomhero wrote:I said seven months ago this story will probably be much better in trade all together. I was very unhappy with certain individual issue but as a whole it came together just fine

i love the fact that once tarns mask came off underneath was exactly why I imagined, he looked like everyone else. Other than his scars there's nothing that would have identified him to anyone. "Once we pull that mask off it'll be Roller!" Roller looks like everyone, it's the generic face. :lol: and Glitch! Anyone who says they saw coming is a liar!im honestly not disappointed I was wrong about him being proteus. I'd rather be wrong and surprised than right

It feels like a waste of time. Tarn is nobody.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby MrBlack » Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:52 am

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Randomhero wrote:I said seven months ago this story will probably be much better in trade all together. I was very unhappy with certain individual issue but as a whole it came together just fine

i love the fact that once tarns mask came off underneath was exactly why I imagined, he looked like everyone else. Other than his scars there's nothing that would have identified him to anyone. "Once we pull that mask off it'll be Roller!" Roller looks like everyone, it's the generic face. :lol: and Glitch! Anyone who says they saw coming is a liar!im honestly not disappointed I was wrong about him being proteus. I'd rather be wrong and surprised than right

It being Glitch makes sense. The powers are an evolution of his earlier ability to stop non-sentient machines (I would guess his earlier power was never displayed because there was just never a chance for him to use it), the evolution of his powers harkens back to his first appearance where Shockwave said his powers would continue to grow, Skids recognized his voice at Grindcore because he previously knew Glitch, and recruiting him would hurt Optimus Prime because Glitch was one of his earliest allies.

I'll admit that the reveal lacked some emotional resonance because we never got to know Glitch in his two appearances in the book. That said, I think I'm okay with it. If it had been, say, Roller or Terminus, Tarn's quick end would have felt anticlimactic. Tarn being an almost non-entity in the book seems fitting: He truly is just a thug who thinks too highly of himself. Plus, it means we get both Roller and Terminus in the cast of Lost Light, thanks to a twist I did not see coming.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:59 am

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Randomhero wrote:I said seven months ago this story will probably be much better in trade all together. I was very unhappy with certain individual issue but as a whole it came together just fine

i love the fact that once tarns mask came off underneath was exactly why I imagined, he looked like everyone else. Other than his scars there's nothing that would have identified him to anyone. "Once we pull that mask off it'll be Roller!" Roller looks like everyone, it's the generic face. :lol: and Glitch! Anyone who says they saw coming is a liar!im honestly not disappointed I was wrong about him being proteus. I'd rather be wrong and surprised than right

It being Glitch makes sense. The powers are an evolution of his earlier ability to stop non-sentient machines (I would guess his earlier power was never displayed because there was just never a chance for him to use it), the evolution of his powers harkens back to his first appearance where Shockwave said his powers would continue to grow, Skids recognized his voice at Grindcore because he previously knew Glitch, and recruiting him would hurt Optimus Prime because Glitch was one of his earliest allies.

I'll admit that the reveal lacked some emotional resonance because we never got to know Glitch in his two appearances in the book. That said, I think I'm okay with it. If it had been, say, Roller or Terminus, Tarn's quick end would have felt anticlimactic. Tarn being an almost non-entity in the book seems fitting: He truly is just a thug who thinks too highly of himself. Plus, it means we get both Roller and Terminus in the cast of Lost Light, thanks to a twist I did not see coming.


Exactly, how many times has tarn been accused of being a nobody and a thug? Turns out he's exactly what everyone said he was.

Honestly it comes down to everyone falling in love with the DJD and getting their hopes up on something that really didn't need to be. I've never been a fan of the DJD. They've always been something I've never cared for and it's mostly due to the fandom blowing them out of proportion. Someone sneezes in the comic and 3 people on message boards scream "ITS BECAUSE OF THE DJD!!!"


It got tiresome for me
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:06 am

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Randomhero wrote:
MrBlack wrote:
Randomhero wrote:I said seven months ago this story will probably be much better in trade all together. I was very unhappy with certain individual issue but as a whole it came together just fine

i love the fact that once tarns mask came off underneath was exactly why I imagined, he looked like everyone else. Other than his scars there's nothing that would have identified him to anyone. "Once we pull that mask off it'll be Roller!" Roller looks like everyone, it's the generic face. :lol: and Glitch! Anyone who says they saw coming is a liar!im honestly not disappointed I was wrong about him being proteus. I'd rather be wrong and surprised than right

It being Glitch makes sense. The powers are an evolution of his earlier ability to stop non-sentient machines (I would guess his earlier power was never displayed because there was just never a chance for him to use it), the evolution of his powers harkens back to his first appearance where Shockwave said his powers would continue to grow, Skids recognized his voice at Grindcore because he previously knew Glitch, and recruiting him would hurt Optimus Prime because Glitch was one of his earliest allies.

I'll admit that the reveal lacked some emotional resonance because we never got to know Glitch in his two appearances in the book. That said, I think I'm okay with it. If it had been, say, Roller or Terminus, Tarn's quick end would have felt anticlimactic. Tarn being an almost non-entity in the book seems fitting: He truly is just a thug who thinks too highly of himself. Plus, it means we get both Roller and Terminus in the cast of Lost Light, thanks to a twist I did not see coming.


Exactly, how many times has tarn been accused of being a nobody and a thug? Turns out he's exactly what everyone said he was.

Honestly it comes down to everyone falling in love with the DJD and getting their hopes up on something that really didn't need to be. I've never been a fan of the DJD. They've always been something I've never cared for and it's mostly due to the fandom blowing them out of proportion. Someone sneezes in the comic and 3 people on message boards scream "ITS BECAUSE OF THE DJD!!!"


It got tiresome for me


Despite not entirely agreeing here - I think there was some legitimate reason to appreciate a new big bad in the stories - I do agree with you that the 'nobody-ness' of Tarn plays well into that side of things. I don't think it's to spite the readers or fans, but it does address the overhype phenomenon within the story itself.

That said, and as MrBlack points out, Glitch is not entirely a nobody.


Also. Also. Can we talk about Ravage? And those three panels of Soundwave being hurt to his precious core?
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Postby MemphisR56 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:11 am

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Aaaaand we get another panel with Nautica overwrought in the background, weeping for her fallen kitty friend ravage. Not to mention the panels with Soundwave feeling his death and crumbling to his knees.

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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:16 am

Dr Va'al wrote:
Randomhero wrote:
MrBlack wrote:
Randomhero wrote:I said seven months ago this story will probably be much better in trade all together. I was very unhappy with certain individual issue but as a whole it came together just fine

i love the fact that once tarns mask came off underneath was exactly why I imagined, he looked like everyone else. Other than his scars there's nothing that would have identified him to anyone. "Once we pull that mask off it'll be Roller!" Roller looks like everyone, it's the generic face. :lol: and Glitch! Anyone who says they saw coming is a liar!im honestly not disappointed I was wrong about him being proteus. I'd rather be wrong and surprised than right

It being Glitch makes sense. The powers are an evolution of his earlier ability to stop non-sentient machines (I would guess his earlier power was never displayed because there was just never a chance for him to use it), the evolution of his powers harkens back to his first appearance where Shockwave said his powers would continue to grow, Skids recognized his voice at Grindcore because he previously knew Glitch, and recruiting him would hurt Optimus Prime because Glitch was one of his earliest allies.

I'll admit that the reveal lacked some emotional resonance because we never got to know Glitch in his two appearances in the book. That said, I think I'm okay with it. If it had been, say, Roller or Terminus, Tarn's quick end would have felt anticlimactic. Tarn being an almost non-entity in the book seems fitting: He truly is just a thug who thinks too highly of himself. Plus, it means we get both Roller and Terminus in the cast of Lost Light, thanks to a twist I did not see coming.


Exactly, how many times has tarn been accused of being a nobody and a thug? Turns out he's exactly what everyone said he was.

Honestly it comes down to everyone falling in love with the DJD and getting their hopes up on something that really didn't need to be. I've never been a fan of the DJD. They've always been something I've never cared for and it's mostly due to the fandom blowing them out of proportion. Someone sneezes in the comic and 3 people on message boards scream "ITS BECAUSE OF THE DJD!!!"


It got tiresome for me


Despite not entirely agreeing here - I think there was some legitimate reason to appreciate a new big bad in the stories - I do agree with you that the 'nobody-ness' of Tarn plays well into that side of things. I don't think it's to spite the readers or fans, but it does address the overhype phenomenon within the story itself.

That said, and as MrBlack points out, Glitch is not entirely a nobody.


Also. Also. Can we talk about Ravage? And those three panels of Soundwave being hurt to his precious core?



I don't mean to say we can't appreciate them. It just feels like a lot of people were beating a dead horse. The past year alone felt like that. The stories about the charisma aliens. Before it was revealed I read so many "I BET ITS THE DJD!" Or the Swearth issue "a planet chasing the lost light?! It's the DJD in a war world!" Or it could be something else, not every story has to be about them. It just got annoying for me. Sorry rant over.

ravege was a hell of a emotional scene and the cut away to Soundwave was pretty sad. Took me way a little since technically this happened while Soundwave was recruiting people to his sanctuary but I understand why we haven't had any kind of emotional scene in the other books. Technically we couldn't. It would have given it away. Even a scene of Soundwave upset for no reason 8 months ago would have let people to speculate this. Great scene one of my favorites in this story

glitch is anybody in the sense that Tappet is a nobody. He's there but he was a major player for this purpose shouldn't have been.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #55 Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:40 am

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MemphisR56 wrote:Aaaaand we get another panel with Nautica overwrought in the background, weeping for her fallen kitty friend ravage. Not to mention the panels with Soundwave feeling his death and crumbling to his knees.

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