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[Prowl4]

They are all the same with the same traits I listed if you read what I said. Injured yes but has one even died even a throwaway fembot? No.

I'm not sure if this is genuine ignorance or willful ignorance. Either way, discussing your myopic view of characterization clearly won't have any benefit.

Many people have tried to explain to you that if female TFs are a smaller fraction of the cast than the male TFs, and haven't been around as long as the male TFs, some of them even less than a year, then of course there aren't going to be major female TF deaths yet. (Have there even been a dozen significant character deaths since female TFs were properly introduced in Dark Cybertron?) If you want to see female TFs die, you should really be pushing for a 50/50 gender split in the comics - much more likely you'll get what you want then.

Mairghread Scott is a dreadful writer,

My ability to take you seriously in regards to anything regarding Scott was obliterated after your "She's only got the job because she's a woman!!!!!" spiel.

If you think I don't criticize male writers, characters and toys I'm afraid you're deluded.

I said your distaste for women in the franchise was your "most common theme", not your only theme. After all, who could forget your quote about James Roberts's "disturbing homosexual material"?

Bringing it back to the beginning, Arcee's been skillfully, perhaps even impressively, used in Sins of the Wreckers. SotW really needed to have an issue's downtime for Impactor and the once-comatose Springer - it would've felt a bit rushed/jarring if they showed up, ready and active on the first page. Arcee served to move issue #1's plot so the Wreckers could get their dramatic end-of-issue reveal, and gracefully switched to being a secondary/supporting character following the Wreckers' appearance.

They are though prove they aren't.

Mairghread Scott is dreadful and largely in place because if she was removed would cry sexism. She seems the type.

Roberts use of homosexuality between transformers is disturbing, prove it otherwise.

What a silly thing to say that a 50/50 split for female deaths. Cabbage opinion that.

[RevTibe]

They are though prove they aren't.

Here, this page of Windblade displays the title character acting empathetically, yet somewhat coercively, towards Waspinator. I'd say this is one of the key aspects of the character - her morality leads her towards compassion/just treatment, yet she is willing to compromise that for a perceived greater good (after all, Waspinator is clearly afraid and unwilling to perform the favor she's persistently requesting).

These are defining qualities of Windblade, and are not present in this form in other female Transformers.

Mairghread Scott is dreadful and largely in place because if she was removed would cry sexism. She seems the type.

To quote a fellow from this thread; prove it.

Roberts use of homosexuality between transformers is disturbing, prove it otherwise.

This statement is broken on many levels. "Disturbing" is subjective, and your use of it is indicative of certain... qualities of your character, not the qualities of the comic. If you think that the "homosexual material" is provably disturbing, then perhaps you yourself should provide that proof.

[Prowl4]

They are though prove they aren't.

Here, this page of Windblade displays the title character acting empathetically, yet somewhat coercively, toward Waspinator. I'd say this is one of the key aspects of the character - her morality leads her towards compassion/just treatment, yet she is willing to compromise that for a perceived greater good (after all, Waspinator is clearly afraid and unwilling to perform the favor she's persistently requesting).

These are defining qualities of Windblade, and are not present in this form in other female Transformers.

Mairghread Scott is dreadful and largely in place because if she was removed would cry sexism. She seems the type.

To quote a fellow from this thread; prove it.

Roberts use of homosexuality between transformers is disturbing, prove it otherwise.

This statement is broken on many levels. "Disturbing" is subjective, and your use of it is indicative of certain... qualities of your character, not the qualities of the comic. If you think that the "homosexual material" is provably disturbing, then perhaps you yourself should provide that proof.

One page of the terrible windblade comic doesn't make up for her lack of respect for authority shown to starscream throughout her introduction better luck next time.

Sufficient proof is in the words of mairghread Scott herself through interviews and through her blocking people on Twitter criticising her work. Her writing of rid windblade and strongarm episodes because that's essentially what she does is make the episodes about the fembots results in a character with a poor attitude to authority and being snarky.

Your third point is entirely from a personal point of view I think it's funny how you follow, read and respond to everything I say which is indicative of yourself because I'm going to have the same opinions and beliefs no matter what you say. Am I bothered with your thoughts and opinions, no.

Homosexual transformers are disturbing, what of it?

[ZeroWolf]

They are all the same with the same traits I listed if you read what I said. Injured yes but has one even died even a throwaway fembot? No.

I'm not sure if this is genuine ignorance or willful ignorance. Either way, discussing your myopic view of characterization clearly won't have any benefit.

Many people have tried to explain to you that if female TFs are a smaller fraction of the cast than the male TFs, and haven't been around as long as the male TFs, some of them even less than a year, then of course there aren't going to be major female TF deaths yet. (Have there even been a dozen significant character deaths since female TFs were properly introduced in Dark Cybertron?) If you want to see female TFs die, you should really be pushing for a 50/50 gender split in the comics - much more likely you'll get what you want then.

Mairghread Scott is a dreadful writer,

My ability to take you seriously in regards to anything regarding Scott was obliterated after your "She's only got the job because she's a woman!!!!!" spiel.

If you think I don't criticize male writers, characters and toys I'm afraid you're deluded.

I said your distaste for women in the franchise was your "most common theme", not your only theme. After all, who could forget your quote about James Roberts's "disturbing homosexual material"?

Bringing it back to the beginning, Arcee's been skillfully, perhaps even impressively, used in Sins of the Wreckers. SotW really needed to have an issue's downtime for Impactor and the once-comatose Springer - it would've felt a bit rushed/jarring if they showed up, ready and active on the first page. Arcee served to move issue #1's plot so the Wreckers could get their dramatic end-of-issue reveal, and gracefully switched to being a secondary/supporting character following the Wreckers' appearance.

They are though prove they aren't.

Mairghread Scott is dreadful and largely in place because if she was removed would cry sexism. She seems the type.

Roberts use of homosexuality between transformers is disturbing, prove it otherwise.

What a silly thing to say that a 50/50 split for female deaths. Cabbage opinion that.

Where to start...first off we should probably leave discussions about Roberts and Scott to respective threads. Secondly, Rev provided you with a list of characteristics that are unique to each character, but you keep repeating the same tired line.

Thirdly and lastly, so you want fembots to die to make it equal to non fembot deaths when deaths aren't all that common...just like fembots aren't all that common. Have you thought that maybe they just haven't been in positions where they could die?

The only one in real danger is Nautica but it's unlikely that Roberts will kill a loved character like this unless her death will have emotional impact to Megatron.

[RevTibe]

Your third point is entirely from a personal point of view I think it's funny how you follow, read and respond to everything I say which is indicative of yourself because I'm going to have the same opinions and beliefs no matter what you say. Am I bothered with your thoughts and opinions, no.

Yes, you're memorable, but trust me, that's nothing to be proud of here. While I would be genuinely happy to see you grow past a lot of what you've presented, that isn't my primary goal.

This thread is a group discussion of Sins of the Wreckers, you leveled what I consider to be incredibly flawed criticism at an aspect of SotW, and the most effective way to support my counterargument is to simply present your own critique in the context of what you've said in the past. Disassembling your arguments in such a manner is a useful thing in a group discussion.

Homosexual transformers are disturbing, what of it?

Again, you present your own personal failing as universal fact. You tell me to "disprove" that they are disturbing without putting in effort to prove it.

[Prowl4]

Your third point is entirely from a personal point of view I think it's funny how you follow, read and respond to everything I say which is indicative of yourself because I'm going to have the same opinions and beliefs no matter what you say. Am I bothered with your thoughts and opinions, no.[/quite]Yes, you're memorable, but trust me, that's nothing to be proud of here. While I would be genuinely happy to see you grow past a lot of what you've presented, that isn't my primary goal.

This thread is a group discussion of Sins of the Wreckers, you leveled what I consider to be incredibly flawed criticism at an aspect of SotW, and the most effective way to support my counterargument is to simply present your own critique in the context of what you've said in the past. Disassembling your arguments in such a manner is a useful thing in a group discussion.

Homosexual transformers are disturbing, what of it?

Again, you present your own personal failing as universal fact. You tell me to "disprove" that they are disturbing without putting in effort to prove it.

Lovely to be remembered and to have a fan it seems thanks .

No flaw to it it's pure fact. Obviously you like the characters and the agenda of idw. You must hate g1 and the bayverse lol.

Bay did a lovely job of showing war in killing arcee and her companions. You take the eye off the ball in a war zone you could and should die if struck.


We can go over this again and again but the fact remains my opinion and views won't change, you can continue to reply to me which is honestly pointless and a waste of what I'd imagine is your precious time .

Homosexual agenda transformers are disturbing and have no place in these comics. Don't need a reason to not like something. If I don't like it I don't like it.

[Va'al]

Not like: one thing.

Calling it 'disturbing' is another altogether, as you have been told a number of times now.

(Also, how dare they be at least one female character in each book, it's unnatural, nothing like the real world, where it's almost a half split. Unnatural I tell you. Blasphemy even.)

[Prowl4]

Not like: one thing.

Calling it 'disturbing' is another altogether, as you have been told a number of times now.

(Also, how dare they be at least one female character in each book, it's unnatural, nothing like the real world, where it's almost a half split. Unnatural I tell you. Blasphemy even.)

Freedom of speech to be disturbed by what I wish.

[ZeroWolf]

I I was wondering what you meant about arcee in the movieverse but them I remembered that they were in RotF for a combined screentime of...what? 10 minutes. Let's face it, they weren't characters, they were just cannon fodder to make it seem like the good guys actually had some casualties.

In fact comparing them to IDW is a bit of a fallacy as there is actually characters in IDW .

Also funny you mention g1 as no fembot is actually hurt in that either.

I'm going to assume it's only homosexual tfs you have a problem with, and not humans.

By the by, technically there isn't any homosexual transformers as until Dark Cybertron introduced the camiens, only Arcee had a gender, everyone else had no gender hence arcee being the only fembot.

[Prowl4]

I I was wondering what you meant about arcee in the movieverse but them I remembered that they were in RotF for a combined screentime of...what? 10 minutes. Let's face it, they weren't characters, they were just cannon fodder to make it seem like the good guys actually had some casualties.

In fact comparing them to IDW is a bit of a fallacy as there is actually characters in IDW .

Also funny you mention g1 as no fembot is actually hurt in that either.

I'm going to assume it's only homosexual tfs you have a problem with, and not humans.

By the by, technically there isn't any homosexual transformers as until Dark Cybertron introduced the camiens, only Arcee had a gender, everyone else had no gender hence arcee being the only fembot.

G1 didn't engage the fembots in a one on one battle with an entity like galvatron in a fight to the death

[Va'al]

Not like: one thing.

Calling it 'disturbing' is another altogether, as you have been told a number of times now.

(Also, how dare they be at least one female character in each book, it's unnatural, nothing like the real world, where it's almost a half split. Unnatural I tell you. Blasphemy even.)

Freedom of speech to be disturbed by what I wish.

Poor precious crumpet.

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[RevTibe]

Lovely to be remembered and to have a fan it seems thanks .
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We can go over this again and again but the fact remains my opinion and views won't change, you can continue to reply to me which is honestly pointless and a waste of what I'd imagine is your precious time .

This is the first time I've seen the "you responded to me, therefore I win!" argument used by an adult. Bravo. Did I not already establish that my primary goal isn't to help you grow as a person? World doesn't revolve around you, mate.

No flaw to it it's pure fact. Obviously you like the characters and the agenda of idw. You must hate g1 and the bayverse lol.

It's funny - you called a page of evidence "insufficient", yet you offer nothing to support your own points. (I do enjoy G1 and, to an extent, the Bay flicks. Messy, but some fun moments and concepts.)

Homosexual agenda transformers are disturbing and have no place in these comics. Don't need a reason to not like something. If I don't like it I don't like it.

Seriously, "homosexual agenda"? Acknowledging that gay romance exists is an agenda? The only agenda here is your belief that this should be censored.

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Note how I didn't have anything to say about your thoughts on using Sideways+Armada instead of Tarantulas+Beasts - that's a fair comment on how SotW could be more thoroughly tied into the upcoming Titans Return narrative! (Personally, I like how this is more of an optional side story, but that's just a normal difference in taste.)

I comment and counter to those things I consider screwy, and if 75% of those things are coming from one person, then that person will receive more comment.

[ZeroWolf]

I find it hilarious that is the only comment you choose to reply to why is it so hard for you to grasp that Arcee is far stronger then you think she is.

[Prowl4]

Not like: one thing.

Calling it 'disturbing' is another altogether, as you have been told a number of times now.

(Also, how dare they be at least one female character in each book, it's unnatural, nothing like the real world, where it's almost a half split. Unnatural I tell you. Blasphemy even.)

Freedom of speech to be disturbed by what I wish.

Poor precious crumpet.

This is currently Seibertron.com's main page banner:

Name calling from a news admin how classy of you. Enforce your own rules. u

[Prowl4]

Lovely to be remembered and to have a fan it seems thanks .
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We can go over this again and again but the fact remains my opinion and views won't change, you can continue to reply to me which is honestly pointless and a waste of what I'd imagine is your precious time .

This is the first time I've seen the "you responded to me, therefore I win!" argument used by an adult. Bravo. Did I not already establish that my primary goal isn't to help you grow as a person? World doesn't revolve around you, mate.

No flaw to it it's pure fact. Obviously you like the characters and the agenda of idw. You must hate g1 and the bayverse lol.

It's funny - you called a page of evidence "insufficient", yet you offer nothing to support your own points. (I do enjoy G1 and, to an extent, the Bay flicks. Messy, but some fun moments and concepts.)

Homosexual agenda transformers are disturbing and have no place in these comics. Don't need a reason to not like something. If I don't like it I don't like it.

Seriously, "homosexual agenda"? Acknowledging that gay romance exists is an agenda? The only agenda here is your belief that this should be censored.

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Note how I didn't have anything to say about your thoughts on using Sideways+Armada instead of Tarantulas+Beasts - that's a fair comment on how SotW could be more thoroughly tied into the upcoming Titans Return narrative! (Personally, I like how this is more of an optional side story, but that's just a normal difference in taste.)

I comment and counter to those things I consider screwy, and if 75% of those things are coming from one person, then that person will receive more comment.

Glad to have a fan.

[Va'al]

Not like: one thing.

Calling it 'disturbing' is another altogether, as you have been told a number of times now.

(Also, how dare they be at least one female character in each book, it's unnatural, nothing like the real world, where it's almost a half split. Unnatural I tell you. Blasphemy even.)

Freedom of speech to be disturbed by what I wish.

Poor precious crumpet.

This is currently Seibertron.com's main page banner:

Name calling from a news admin how classy of you. Enforce your own rules. u

I find crumpets delicious actually, and in Yorkshire (where my family is from) they're a term of endearment for any gender.

[Prowl4]

Not like: one thing.

Calling it 'disturbing' is another altogether, as you have been told a number of times now.

(Also, how dare they be at least one female character in each book, it's unnatural, nothing like the real world, where it's almost a half split. Unnatural I tell you. Blasphemy even.)

Freedom of speech to be disturbed by what I wish.

Poor precious crumpet.

This is currently Seibertron.com's main page banner:

Name calling from a news admin how classy of you. Enforce your own rules. u

I find crumpets delicious actually, and in Yorkshire (where my family is from) they're a term of endearment for any gender.

We both know you meant it as an insult, at the very least have the courage to admit it.

[Va'al]

Not like: one thing.

Calling it 'disturbing' is another altogether, as you have been told a number of times now.

(Also, how dare they be at least one female character in each book, it's unnatural, nothing like the real world, where it's almost a half split. Unnatural I tell you. Blasphemy even.)

Freedom of speech to be disturbed by what I wish.

Poor precious crumpet.

This is currently Seibertron.com's main page banner:

Name calling from a news admin how classy of you. Enforce your own rules. u

I find crumpets delicious actually, and in Yorkshire (where my family is from) they're a term of endearment for any gender.

We both know you meant it as an insult, at the very least have the courage to admit it.

No no no, I was patronising you, not insulting you.
You calling my behaviour, orientation, and existence - and that of many other fans - 'disturbing' is the insult.

[ZeroWolf]

The good doctor is correct in its usage (I'm not a Yorkshire lad myself, I just reside in its close neighbour) + I fail fail to fail to see fail to see how crumpet could be seen as an insult.

[RevTibe]

I am genuinely curious if Tarantulas will survive this - my gut's leaning towards no, but I'd love to see him go farther - this has been a great rendition of the character. Judging from Impactor's words at the end of the preview, he was the one who kicked Tarantulas into the Noisemaze, not Prowl, and either killed or raised Oste-whatisname as Springer. Presumably, doing this was the big favor that Prowl repaid by letting Roadbuster off easy for killing cadets.

Looking forward to that. Wondering what's happened to Stakeout - seems unlikely he just bled out offscreen while Carnivac watched. Will he show up again, upgraded into a Chimeracon?
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Glad to have a fan.

We both know you meant it as an insult, at the very least have the courage to admit it.

Brilliant - you bring out the schoolyard wit of "Glad to have a fan." while simultaneously having a strop over someone calling you "crumpet". It's art, really.

[Prowl4]

Not like: one thing.

Calling it 'disturbing' is another altogether, as you have been told a number of times now.

(Also, how dare they be at least one female character in each book, it's unnatural, nothing like the real world, where it's almost a half split. Unnatural I tell you. Blasphemy even.)

Freedom of speech to be disturbed by what I wish.

Poor precious crumpet.

This is currently Seibertron.com's main page banner:

Name calling from a news admin how classy of you. Enforce your own rules. u

I find crumpets delicious actually, and in Yorkshire (where my family is from) they're a term of endearment for any gender.

We both know you meant it as an insult, at the very least have the courage to admit it.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Lovely read.

I really hope Tarantulas survives as well. I like him as a villain, seeing as how is not really evil but more skewed in his opinions due to his history and morals. We could use him in the future

[Burn]

I opted for a sleep-in this morning because I had a busy weekend ... plus being a Monday morning, it's nice to have a sleep-in, it helps you deal with the day better.

Then I wake up to this. Prowl4 ... seriously, your homophobia is showing and it's not welcome.

Roberts use of homosexuality between transformers is disturbing, prove it otherwise.

- This is an opinion, no one needs to prove otherwise.

Homosexual transformers are disturbing, what of it?

- Again, your opinion, there's no need to have an attitude about it.

Those are just two examples of your homophobia that I could find, I have no doubt that there's more.

Look, we get it. You're not a fan of female Transformers, you're not a fan of Transformers that display homosexual tendencies, you're not a fan of the writers ... we get it. You don't need to keep arguing your agenda. You've made your opinion, move on. Because all it's doing is inciting other members.

Because this is what happens.

[quote"Dr Va'al"]Poor precious crumpet.[/quote]

You push other members to the point of resorting to posts like this. A post which was also unnecessary, but came about because of YOU Prowl4 pushing your opinion.

And whether you meant it or not, pushing your opinion as you have, is insulting to the LGBTQ community, of which, this site has a number of members.

You've made your point, move on. That goes for everyone else. I do NOT want to have to come back into this thread.

[ScottyP]

Let's get this thing back to the book, shall we? These boards are better than this thread.

So Mr. Roche has (for now) shared the reasons for the book's delay. That's a tough read. It puts some perspective onto the whole thing as well, and in a way (at least for me) elevates the work. It's all got this somber, almost desperate sequence of events, and I think once everyone gets a crack at number 5 a lot of tunes will be changing about this mini-series.

On Wednesday, you should go buy this issue, but I don't recommend reading it on a lunch break. Wait until you're home, sit down, and take it in. Will it be everyone's cup of tea? Nope. Is it a fantastic, emotional ending to a very personal story? Yes, and I think it sticks with you.

That's all for my too-early review, just felt like y'all needed some hype. And hugs. Everyone gets a hug.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Wow, that is awful. To lose both parents like that, just harsh. I give props to the man for finishing the series out. That had to have been really tough