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[Va'al]

Courtesy of iTunes as usual, we have the preview pages for the final issue of the IDW Publishing mini-series set in the Hasbro Universe of Transformers vs Visionaries - the conclusion of the story, and the lead into the Unicron end-of-all-universes event taking place as of next week, then properly starting as of July!

You can take a look at the opening pages of issue #5 below, and join us back next week at Seibertron.com for a review and discussion of the series as a whole.

The final fate of Cybertron! Leoric and the drill team, on a mission to stop the destruction of the planet, reach the core—only to be met by Virulina and her Darkling Lords! Now, the two sides are locked in a final battle to determine whether Cybertron sees tomorrow. Everything comes to a head in this thrilling conclusion!

[Burn]

I for one cannot wait for this issue, aside from it being the end of an atrocious series, I'll also be able to give my thoughts of it, and the series as a whole, in the form of a non-review that will no doubt infuriate/piss off those of you who expect professional The Outhousers level reviews.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

I am half expecting a moment akin to the end of BW "Power Surge". Wherein a defeated Virulina is confronted by Darkstorm, emerging from the shadows.

[ZeroWolf]

I'm expecting the last panel to show the visionaries happy on a new world...right before its eaten by unicron.

Burn I look forward to your non-review, I think it captured my thoughts beautifully last time.

[primalxconvoy]

[ZeroWolf]

...I prefer the new designs...sorry primalxconvoy! also think you squeezed too much text in those first two balloons, couldn't work out what they were saying.

[primalxconvoy]

...I prefer the new designs...sorry primalxconvoy! also think you squeezed too much text in those first two balloons, couldn't work out what they were saying.

Sorry about that. The original image is fine, and it uploaded fine to TFW2005. Maybe Seibertron changes the resolution to a maximum one?

Just to check; did you click on the image? It will then open in a larger resolution.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

...I prefer the new designs...

It's Mad Max though, not Visionairies.

[ZeroWolf]

...I prefer the new designs...

It's Mad Max though, not Visionairies.

They have the holograms and armour they are visionaries to me, and also the best part of this series by a country mile. It's a shame that they'll go down with this series as unless it's going well elsewhere, I don't think idw will rush visionaries to be part of the reboot. So I think they'll return to gather dust.

I understand that some people will prefer the old style but is it that hard to believe that some would prefer the new style?

[primalxconvoy]

...I prefer the new designs...

It's Mad Max though, not Visionairies.

Yes, because all of their books are Chrome books, not magic books...

[AllNewSuperRobot]

At the end of the day ZeroWolf, the setting of Visionaries was medieval with real armour akin to actual knights. This Mad Max Neon rubbish wouldn't protect you from anything. The old stuff was practical for the world they lived in. Clearly whoever designed this look neither appreciated their armour wasn't just for show and/or didn't care and wanted to make their own version of the source material. Such hubris rarely ends well....Bayformers

[ZeroWolf]

That's how remakes and adaptions go though. Obviously idw and hasbro decided that the visionaries as they were, didn't work otherwise they would have stuck around a lot longer. So they decided to have a change. Which is what they are allowed to do, as it's their money they're wasting. Also as much as we mock bayformers, paramount and hasbro were still as pleased as punch till the last after looking at how profitable they were. Making money is their only goal after all.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

That's how remakes and adaptions go though. Obviously idw and hasbro decided that the visionaries as they were, didn't work otherwise they would have stuck around a lot longer. So they decided to have a change. Which is what they are allowed to do, as it's their money they're wasting. Also as much as we mock bayformers, paramount and hasbro were still as pleased as punch till the last after looking at how profitable they were. Making money is their only goal after all.

Remakes can work that way if people are familiar with the source material. If they brought this Visionaries out in the 90's it might have worked. But in 2018, many who had no idea what Visionaries was will walk away thinking it was this all along. The show only lasted a season and although it was a collection of one & done stories with no overarching narrative, it had potential. But this series has effectively poisoned that well.

Also Bayformers would probably have made more money if the aesthetic wasn't an overdetailed and vomit-inducing mess. Certainly a more visually pleasing TF design could have made the shortcomings of those films more palatable.

[Transcendent30]

NOT Visionaries. NOT Transformers. Just a big bunch of SJW politics porn. Leoric is WHITE not Black. Sorry. Same for Matt Trakker of MASK for that matter. IDW sucks Satan's balls in hell, and all you millennial scummers who don't agree, suck along with them.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

Well, that escalated quickly...

[Burn]

NOT Visionaries. NOT Transformers. Just a big bunch of SJW politics porn. Leoric is WHITE not Black. Sorry. Same for Matt Trakker of MASK for that matter. IDW sucks Satan's balls in hell, and all you millennial scummers who don't agree, suck along with them.

If you don't like it, that's fine, but you don't need to throw around insults like a child throwing a tantrum.

[ZeroWolf]

Well, that escalated quickly...

Indeed. You would think that the comics gained sentience and started killing people with that level of response...I smell a sfyf original movie...comicnado.

[Sunstar]

I for one cannot wait for this issue, aside from it being the end of an atrocious series, I'll also be able to give my thoughts of it, and the series as a whole, in the form of a non-review that will no doubt infuriate/piss off those of you who expect professional The Outhousers level reviews.

I am sure whatever you have to say about it will be to the point.

edit: wow, reading up... sounds like someone needs a diaper change.

[primalxconvoy]

Just for the record, I want to state that, although I don't like characters changing ethnicities, etc for no reason, I'm all for SJ issues, more inclusivity, etc. I am really looking forward to the new female Doctor Who, would love to see Edris Elba as James Bond, etc.

For me, I applaud the idea, but distain the execution in some IDW stories.

[Burn]

Just for the record, I want to state that, although I don't like characters changing ethnicities, etc for no reason, I'm all for SJ issues, more inclusivity, etc. I am really looking forward to the new female Doctor Who, would love to see Edris Elba as James Bond, etc.

No see, I have to disagree.

I'm all for women taking a more starring role, I'm all for more ethnicities in starring roles. But why take existing characters and swap their genders and/or races?

It's just plain lazy. Why not make the effort to create new characters?

They hype that such gender / race swaps are ground breaking. No, it's not. There is nothing ground breaking about casting a female to play The Doctor. There have been a number of women in sci-fi shows for decades who have had the lead role. Has no one heard of Eleanor Ripley? Sarah Connor? Katherine Janeway? DANA SCULLY?

I've ready many people say Marvel are pandering to the SJW's. How? They're actually introducing diversity in the right way. They don't take existing characters and gender/race swap them. They introduce NEW characters based on existing characters.

nah **** this gender/race swap for diversity sake. If people are going to create, then put some **** effort into your creativity. Don't just take an existing character to change them for the sake of diversity. It's just lazy.

[primalxconvoy]

Just for the record, I want to state that, although I don't like characters changing ethnicities, etc for no reason, I'm all for SJ issues, more inclusivity, etc. I am really looking forward to the new female Doctor Who, would love to see Edris Elba as James Bond, etc.

No see, I have to disagree.

I'm all for women taking a more starring role, I'm all for more ethnicities in starring roles. But why take existing characters and swap their genders and/or races?

It's just plain lazy. Why not make the effort to create new characters?

They hype that such gender / race swaps are ground breaking. No, it's not. There is nothing ground breaking about casting a female to play The Doctor. There have been a number of women in sci-fi shows for decades who have had the lead role. Has no one heard of Eleanor Ripley? Sarah Connor? Katherine Janeway? DANA SCULLY?

I've ready many people say Marvel are pandering to the SJW's. How? They're actually introducing diversity in the right way. They don't take existing characters and gender/race swap them. They introduce NEW characters based on existing characters.

nah **** this gender/race swap for diversity sake. If people are going to create, then put some **** effort into your creativity. Don't just take an existing character to change them for the sake of diversity. It's just lazy.

I totally agree. I don't think changing existing characters for the sake of it is a good idea, either (unless it's in Hollywood, and using certain actors just makes more sense, due to "star power" or a lack of actors with the "correct" ethnicity/gender having the talent needed, etc).

I'm all for a change in position or roles for the same character, or new characters taking over.

However, in franchises like James Bond and Doctor Who, these lend themselves perfectly to gender it ethnicity swaps, due to ambiguous nature of their character or appearance (they always change and never remain constant).

For me, in "live action" situations especially, I loved Katie Sakoff's "Starbuck" in Battlestar Galactica, "Missie" in "Doctor Who" and Samuel L Jackson's "Nick Fury" in "The Avengers".

I think we are both on basically the same page, at least, here, Burn. Perhaps different paragraphs, but certainly not like the outburst a few posts upwards (which was in a different Library, in a different territory).

[Burn]

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[Coptur]

hmm..
Doctor Who is victim to modern day retconning and James Bond is the character, the MAN and the of agent half Swiss/half Scottish origin the character should remain as is.

Marvel has attempted to push change into characters by pushing Miles Morales as Spider-Man in the 616 universes and have only very recently decided to give him his own identity (Spy-D), they replaced Tony Stark with Riri Williams but still called the book IronMAN, the Hulk Bruce Banner was dropped for Amadeus Cho and more recently Jennifer Walter (She-Hulk) is now being called Hulk with the 'she' being dropped from the long established character. X-23 again a now established character being called Wolverine that not growth that's poor churning/recycling.

I'm all for more variety but it's the agendas behind it i find questionable.

Until I see equal 'change' in Asian Cinema, Bollywood and Nollywood and their pop cultures I won't hold Hollywood and western pop culture up on 'demanded change' pedestal either.

[Big Grim]

Marvel has attempted to push change into characters by pushing Miles Morales as Spider-Man in the 616 universes and have only very recently decided to give him his own identity (Spy-D)

Wait, really? Spy-D? That's bloody horrible! He was fine as a Spider-Man. He'd earned the name.

[ZeroWolf]

Yeah I was find with miles being spiderman, and riri being iron heart. As for Dr who, the ability to change genders was only added in s6 (the doctors wife) and when I heard it is knew what was coming...though to be brutally honest they should have just put the curse of fatal death in canon and them we'd already had a female doctor anyways, with visionaries we only have a changed appearance and one race swap which from what I can tell, only bothers those with a connection to the original which this is not trying to be in any form. I mean TF in idw is nothing like it is in g1 cartoon or marvel comics.