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Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:20 am**

I still need a Classics Skywarp and a Ramjet!

Of all the reused molds this Seeker one covers a whole load of characters. Well done Hasbro!

Starscream, Thundercracker, Dirge, Thrust all accounted for plus Acid storm and an old CHMS yellow Rainmaker/possible Sunstorm clone?

Still wished they had made this mold slightly larger, just a touch. :-?

Wasnt there a blue dude in the storyline called Ice Storm or was he just fanfiction/customs? :???:

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:40 am**

I keep going back and forth on whether I should get the set. I've been wanting to get a complete set of seekers for my neo-G1 collection, but I don't know if I should save the cash for Takara's inevitable version 2 MP Skywarp and Thundercracker.

The classics deluxe sizes don't scale so well with MP-10 Optimus.

I like these, but arm articulation sucks with the nul-rays attached.

Currently I've only got Generations Thundercracker.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:13 am**

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:...but I don't know if I should save the cash for Takara's inevitable version 2 MP Skywarp and Thundercracker.

With the US retail version of new-mold V2 Thundercracker doing the rounds, it would be very lazy but inevitable of Takara/Hasbro to put out MP Skywarp again. Shame they dont put out the Coneheads.
Where the iGear Coneheads the exact same scale/height as the Hasbro ones? :???:

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:39 am**

robotmel wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:...but I don't know if I should save the cash for Takara's inevitable version 2 MP Skywarp and Thundercracker.

With the US retail version of new-mold V2 Thundercracker doing the rounds, it would be very lazy but inevitable of Takara/Hasbro to put out MP Skywarp again. Shame they dont put out the Coneheads.
Where the iGear Coneheads the exact same scale/height as the Hasbro ones?

I'm worried that with Hasbro's release of MP Thundercracker, Takara might skip him. Hopefully Takara will release all three V2 MP seekers. The local TRU sucks, and the wasn't a single Hasbro MP Thindercracker in sight.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:17 am**

What's with the horrible cheap looking grey plastic on Starscream?
His wings, arms and legs look like they're made of old soap.
Soapscream.

Thundercracker looks good.

Don't like the use of purple on Skywarp.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:35 am**

I posted a much better gallery of these figures here days ago and they go ignored. Images from somewhere else days later and much worse, don't? ):(

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set= ... 631&type=3

Randy

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:43 am**

Tell Skywarp to close his Boobiemissiles. lol
I have all Classic/Generations Seekers through Retail.
Both Starscreams.
Skywarp without the Decepticon emblem.
And Thundercracker with the emblem reversed.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:26 pm**

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I'm worried that with Hasbro's release of MP Thundercracker, Takara might skip him. Hopefully Takara will release all three V2 MP seekers. The local TRU sucks, and the wasn't a single Hasbro MP Thindercracker in sight.

My local TRU has like 10 'crackers on the shelf. No MP10 Primes though...=(

They'll probably be dumping them next month on ebay or what not.
I guess nobody but me was crazy enough to spend $75 on a present for their nephew! =D

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:57 pm**

DinobotSix wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I'm worried that with Hasbro's release of MP Thundercracker, Takara might skip him. Hopefully Takara will release all three V2 MP seekers. The local TRU sucks, and the wasn't a single Hasbro MP Thindercracker in sight.

My local TRU has like 10 'crackers on the shelf. No MP10 Primes though...=(

They'll probably be dumping them next month on ebay or what not.
I guess nobody but me was crazy enough to spend $75 on a present for their nephew! =D

My local TRU doesn't bring in MP anything. All my MP TF's have to be purchased at a hobby store that sells Japanese imports.

Man, you're possibly one of the coolest uncles in the world!

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:23 pm**

Im good with my Henkei versions. The purple on skywarp just looks wrong. They should have went with a lighter shade of purple to match the fists. Plus I hate those backwards faction symbols. Upside down in robot mode, backwards in jet mode, whats the freakin point ???

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:27 pm**

Rated X wrote:Im good with my Henkei versions. The purple on skywarp just looks wrong. They should have went with a lighter shade of purple to match the fists.

It's due to mixture of the lighting and the arms being metallic paint rather than flat paint.

Rated X wrote:Plus I hate those backwards faction symbols. Upside down in robot mode, backwards in jet mode, whats the freakin point ???

Show-accuracy. That's how they were on the animation models.

And they're like that on the Henkei! Henkei! versions too.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:40 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
Rated X wrote:Im good with my Henkei versions. The purple on skywarp just looks wrong. They should have went with a lighter shade of purple to match the fists.
It's due to mixture of the lighting and the arms being metallic paint rather than flat paint.

Rated X wrote:Plus I hate those backwards faction symbols. Upside down in robot mode, backwards in jet mode, whats the freakin point ???
Show-accuracy. That's how they were on the animation models.

And they're like that on the Henkei! Henkei! versions too.

They could have found a lighter metallic purple paint. How hard could it be ? Just keep mixing and matching until you get the perfect shade. Or they could have made the purple plastic darker if working with chrome paint is really that hard. 3rd parties dont seem to have a hard time matching Has/Tak colors for add on sets.

On the faction symbols, I know it's cartoon accurate. But it's also pointless. What were the G1 animators thinking when they did that ? Did they even look at the toys back in 1984 ?

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:30 pm**

Rated X wrote:They could have found a lighter metallic purple paint. How hard could it be ? Just keep mixing and matching until you get the perfect shade. Or they could have made the purple plastic darker if working with chrome paint is really that hard. 3rd parties dont seem to have a hard time matching Has/Tak colors for add on sets.

Again, it's probably due in part to the lighting of these pics. I've seen other gallery images of this set in which each part of the arms all look the same color shade.

Rated X wrote:On the faction symbols, I know it's cartoon accurate. But it's also pointless. What were the G1 animators thinking when they did that ? Did they even look at the toys back in 1984 ?

I'm looking this up for ya, as i'm sure there's some reason for it.

Posted: **Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:05 am**

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:My local TRU doesn't bring in MP anything. All my MP TF's have to be purchased at a hobby store that sells Japanese imports.

Interesting to note that the other 2 closest TRU stores have ZERO MP Thundercrackers, combined.
I've no idea why the one store has 10 while the other two have zero, but of the 3, the one with 10 of 'em IS in a wealthier area.
That's the only reasoning I can come up with.

Have you tried searching on TRU's website? You can locate a toy at another store and have it shipped for FREE to your local store and even
buy it online to pick up later at that store.

Maybe by doing so, that would also tip their management/purchasing that there's interest in the masterpiece level TFs for customers of that location.

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Getting back to the topic at hand though...I like this set, myself.
The box art is GLORIOUS!

It's a good way to pick up a nice matching set, even if Skywarp does look a bit off.
Personally, I don't mind the purple nearly as much as the bulky null-ray cannons.

Posted: **Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:46 am**

DinobotSix wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:My local TRU doesn't bring in MP anything. All my MP TF's have to be purchased at a hobby store that sells Japanese imports.

Interesting to note that the other 2 closest TRU stores have ZERO MP Thundercrackers, combined.
I've no idea why the one store has 10 while the other two have zero, but of the 3, the one with 10 of 'em IS in a wealthier area.
That's the only reasoning I can come up with.

Have you tried searching on TRU's website? You can locate a toy at another store and have it shipped for FREE to your local store and even
buy it online to pick up later at that store.

Maybe by doing so, that would also tip their management/purchasing that there's interest in the masterpiece level TFs for customers of that location.

Sorry I forgot to mention this, but I'm living in Malaysia. No online purchasing services for TRU's here.

There's a healthy number of hobby stores here that carry both Hasbro and Takara stuff, but almost all MP's are Takara, as they are generally more popular. In the past, Hasbro MP's tend to have stuff like G1 sticker homages, battle damage and weathering, which most collectors don't like.

The recent Hasbro MP-10 and Thundercracker have eschewed the usual BD and weathering (thought the tampos on TC are kind weird), but the trend of importing only Takara MP's doesn't seem to have changed.

Posted: **Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:14 am**

These sets are good if you missed out on the first ones. I can pass on the shiny. The packaging is cool though. :MAXIMAL:

Posted: **Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:12 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
Rated X wrote:On the faction symbols, I know it's cartoon accurate. But it's also pointless. What were the G1 animators thinking when they did that ? Did they even look at the toys back in 1984 ?
I'm looking this up for ya, as i'm sure there's some reason for it.

Hey X, I got a response for ya (didn't think I forgot, did you?).

From what I can gather, the reason the Seekers have the Con logos faced the way they are in the animation models is due to that simply being standard protocol for military aircraft that have insignia adorning their wings.

It's so that when there are two jets flying in the same direction, with one flying above the other, the pilot of the higher jet can look down to view the logo on the wings of the lower jet and use that logo to identify the allegiance of the lower jet. And to do so with ease. Otherwise, the logo would appear upside-down to the pilot of the higher altitude and would make things more difficult for the pilot, especially during aerial combat situations.

And if the higher jet were flying in the opposite direction of the lower jet, the pilot wouldn't be able to easily spot the logo on the lower jet's wings what with them both going at such high speeds in opposing directions.

Therefore, the logos on military aircraft must face towards the rear of the craft and, evidently, the cartoon animators were merely following this logic, regardless of the orientation the original toys' instructions said to apply the Con logos in (and since they were stickers anyway, any kid could ignored the instructions and applied them however they wanted to, or even choose not to apply them). :-B

Posted: **Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:14 pm**

I'm lucky enough to have the Classics releases and the Generations releases of these sets and can't justify the premium for shiny paint jobs

But damn, they look smart.....

The box art making a montage too, that's just the icing on the cake. Well Played TT.

Now please, get that Rainmaker set into prodcution...

Posted: **Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:43 pm**

Pretender Skywarp wrote:I'm lucky enough to have the Classics releases and the Generations releases of these sets and can't justify the premium for shiny paint jobs

But damn, they look smart.....

The box art making a montage too, that's just the icing on the cake. Well Played TT.

Now please, get that Rainmaker set into prodcution...

I agree! One more squeeze out of that milk cow of a mold before retiring it completely! The 3 Rainmakers and Sunstorm! :DANCE:

I already have all 6 Seekers, Classics and Generations, but I wouldn't mind a more G1 accurate Starscream.

Posted: **Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:14 pm**

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Now please, get that Rainmaker set into prodcution...

I agree! One more squeeze out of that milk cow of a mold before retiring it completely! The 3 Rainmakers and Sunstorm! :DANCE:

I already have all 6 Seekers, Classics and Generations, but I wouldn't mind a more G1 accurate Starscream.

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I've always been surprised that the "Club" didn't get onto the Rainmakers. You'd have thought the two "missing" ones and Sunstorm would have been right up their street. It's a shame that KO's are a fans best bet :-(

As for Starscream, I've always ummedd and aaahd over the Classics V Universe one, but settled for Classics purely on the basis that I bought it first!!

Posted: **Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:38 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Rated X wrote:On the faction symbols, I know it's cartoon accurate. But it's also pointless. What were the G1 animators thinking when they did that ? Did they even look at the toys back in 1984 ?
I'm looking this up for ya, as i'm sure there's some reason for it.
Hey X, I got a response for ya (didn't think I forgot, did you?).

From what I can gather, the reason the Seekers have the Con logos faced the way they are in the animation models is due to that simply being standard protocol for military aircraft that have insignia adorning their wings.

It's so that when there are two jets flying in the same direction, with one flying above the other, the pilot of the higher jet can look down to view the logo on the wings of the lower jet and use that logo to identify the allegiance of the lower jet. And to do so with ease. Otherwise, the logo would appear upside-down to the pilot of the higher altitude and would make things more difficult for the pilot, especially during aerial combat situations.

And if the higher jet were flying in the opposite direction of the lower jet, the pilot wouldn't be able to easily spot the logo on the lower jet's wings what with them both going at such high speeds in opposing directions.

Therefore, the logos on military aircraft must face towards the rear of the craft and, evidently, the cartoon animators were merely following this logic, regardless of the orientation the original toys' instructions said to apply the Con logos in (and since they were stickers anyway, any kid could ignored the instructions and applied them however they wanted to, or even choose not to apply them).

Much more detailed than what I would have assumed, that it's more accurate to real jet signage. Interesting reasoning...thanks.

I personally like them this way (toon accurate) and I hate when they do them the other way. They only thing worse, though, is when they do a couple one way and then do the third of the crew the other.

Posted: **Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:24 am**

Sabrblade wrote:It's so that when there are two jets flying in the same direction, with one flying above the other, the pilot of the higher jet can look down to view the logo on the wings of the lower jet and use that logo to identify the allegiance of the lower jet. And to do so with ease. Otherwise, the logo would appear upside-down to the pilot of the higher altitude and would make things more difficult for the pilot, especially during aerial combat situations.

The majority of Military Aircraft Insignia are in the form of a circle to avoid such issues. Although other shapes such as pentagons and squares etc are used, the most common shape is the circle as the shape and colors can be identified from any direction. The US military for instance have had the Stars and Bars Roundel in use from 1918 (i think). Pilots in a dogfight aren't allowed the luxury to circle back and check which way the logo was facing.

Sabrblade wrote:Therefore, the logos on military aircraft must face towards the rear of the craft and, evidently, the cartoon animators were merely following this logic, regardless of the orientation the original toys' instructions said to apply the Con logos in (and since they were stickers anyway, any kid could ignored the instructions and applied them however they wanted to, or even choose not to apply them).

Possible, but unlikely. If we were to follow this logic to it's conclusion, all the jets in the animated series should have their emblems facing the same way. Ramjet, Thrust and Dirge all have their emblems facing forward, the four Aerialbots (Silverbolt is excluded as he's a passenger craft) vary between episodes, sometimes between scenes. And they're all fighter jets, so it would stand to reason that if the animators were following aviation models, this standard should have been followed across the board.
I suspect that a Hasbro rep bought a Starscream toy with the stickers applied facing the rear to the animation studio and they just ran with it. Considering all three original Seekers were identical except for coloring, it was purely an aesthetic decision.

Posted: **Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:07 pm**

I'll have to check my Complete Ark book to see which way the

and

logos are facing on all their animation models, but even if the circle is the most common shape, this is a special exception to that standard since, well,

is not circular.

Posted: **Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:24 pm**

The ACE set of Seekers (non-coneheads) just landed in my POL over at BBTS

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