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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby Mindmaster » Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:01 pm

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RAcast wrote:If anything, FoC Grimlock is by and FAR the best Classics Grimlock we've gotten so far. It SHAMES the actual Classics mold by ACTUALLY looking like Grimlock should (obviously MP Grimlock is in a class of his own, being amazing in all respects). Truly, aside from the tail, I fail to understand how people are having issues with this beyond those who have to bitch for bitching's sake.

But come on people, it's a transforming toy, you have to make a concession somewhere! Would you rather have FoC Grimlock have stupidly skinny legs? :lol: Aside from the tail (and the gaping hole in the chest, but you'll never notice that while he's posed on your shelf and you know it), the beast mode is spot on, and the robot mode is literally perfect. Maybe it could use a little panel lining here and there, but there are a ton of really nice paint apps already! His torso is spot-on and that LED gimmick is glorious!


This. This so much.

If there is truly a problem to me, it's because it looks top heavy with no heels. And we all know what happened with the first MP Starscream...

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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby Megatronsdemise666 » Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:35 pm

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Megatronsdemise666 wrote:Grimlock looks awesome :D

I really don't care about the voyager soundwave mold.
I wish there was a deluxe soundwave to be in scale with optimus.

Is there any news on a megatron?


Breaking news! There were Deluxe Soundwaves and Megatrons in the original WFC line back in 2010! :KREMZEEK:

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And considering you didn't know about them, I'm assuming didn't know about these fellas either:

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Yeah but those aren't in scale to anything fall of cybertron.
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby Megatronsdemise666 » Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:36 pm

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PrymeStriker wrote:
Megatronsdemise666 wrote:Grimlock looks awesome :D

I really don't care about the voyager soundwave mold.
I wish there was a deluxe soundwave to be in scale with optimus.

Is there any news on a megatron?


Breaking news! There were Deluxe Soundwaves and Megatrons in the original WFC line back in 2010! :KREMZEEK:

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And considering you didn't know about them, I'm assuming didn't know about these fellas either:

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Yeah but those aren't in scale to anything fall of cybertron.
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby Megatronsdemise666 » Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:37 pm

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PrymeStriker wrote:
Megatronsdemise666 wrote:Grimlock looks awesome :D

I really don't care about the voyager soundwave mold.
I wish there was a deluxe soundwave to be in scale with optimus.

Is there any news on a megatron?


Breaking news! There were Deluxe Soundwaves and Megatrons in the original WFC line back in 2010! :KREMZEEK:

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And considering you didn't know about them, I'm assuming didn't know about these fellas either:

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Yeah but those aren't in scale to anything fall of cybertron.
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby PrymeStriker » Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:37 pm

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Megatronsdemise666 wrote:
Yeah but those aren't in scale to anything fall of cybertron.


That's because FoC is a cheaper, smaller, crappier set of figures. Very few of them are actually worth it. If you want a Deluxe Soundwave or Megatron, WFC is your only option. If you have a probelm with FoC Optimus' scale, get the WFC Optimus.

P.S: You triple-posted.
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby RAcast » Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:51 pm

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PrymeStriker wrote:
Megatronsdemise666 wrote:
Yeah but those aren't in scale to anything fall of cybertron.


That's because FoC is a cheaper, smaller, crappier set of figures. Very few of them are actually worth it. If you want a Deluxe Soundwave or Megatron, WFC is your only option. If you have a probelm with FoC Optimus' scale, get the WFC Optimus.

P.S: You triple-posted.

There -is- a Kabaya version of War for Cybertron Optimus in the latest wave. :) I ordered it (and the other two kits in series 5) for myself just yesterday! They look interesting enough and I've been wanting to get a few of these Kabaya kits in hand for awhile now. Got them from a fairly new store, Captured Prey. Their stock isn't huge, but it's priced really well! I guess I'll have a full opinion of them when I get the package, but I'm impressed so far.
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby Arctorro » Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:56 pm

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RAcast wrote:If anything, FoC Grimlock is by and FAR the best Classics Grimlock we've gotten so far. It SHAMES the actual Classics mold by ACTUALLY looking like Grimlock should (obviously MP Grimlock is in a class of his own, being amazing in all respects). Truly, aside from the tail, I fail to understand how people are having issues with this beyond those who have to bitch for bitching's sake.

But come on people, it's a transforming toy, you have to make a concession somewhere! Would you rather have FoC Grimlock have stupidly skinny legs? :lol: Aside from the tail (and the gaping hole in the chest, but you'll never notice that while he's posed on your shelf and you know it), the beast mode is spot on, and the robot mode is literally perfect. Maybe it could use a little panel lining here and there, but there are a ton of really nice paint apps already! His torso is spot-on and that LED gimmick is glorious!


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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:09 am

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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby RhA » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:12 am

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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby Rated X » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:11 am

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Rated X wrote:I just cant believe people want a voyager Grimlock so badly they are blind by the ugliness of this figure.


We're aware of it's flaws; we're not stupid.

The robot mode looks like animated Grimlock with a classics style head.


Because his toy's robot mode looks nothing like the game. Nothing. At all. Nope. Totally different.

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with a skinny body, fat head and fat tail.


No argument about the tail, but what's wrong with his head?



Yep he looks nothing like the game in robot mode. The game image is nice and stocky and the toy has a slender waist and legs closer to the animated version. Plus the exposed shoulder joints look annoying to me. They could of hid them better and made the arms closer to the gold part of the torso. Alot of people like me dont really care about the WFC/FOC continuity and use these figures as stand ins for a classics collection. Thats why the shared aesthetics with animated Grimlock turn me off so much. As far as the Dino head, its too big for the neck so it looks goofy to me. I wonder if he could same me hundreds of dollars in car insurance...
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby PrymeStriker » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:48 am

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Rated X wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:
Rated X wrote:I just cant believe people want a voyager Grimlock so badly they are blind by the ugliness of this figure.


We're aware of it's flaws; we're not stupid.

The robot mode looks like animated Grimlock with a classics style head.


Because his toy's robot mode looks nothing like the game. Nothing. At all. Nope. Totally different.



with a skinny body, fat head and fat tail.


No argument about the tail, but what's wrong with his head?



Yep he looks nothing like the game in robot mode. The game image is nice and stocky and the toy has a slender waist and legs closer to the animated version. Plus the exposed shoulder joints look annoying to me. They could of hid them better and made the arms closer to the gold part of the torso. Alot of people like me dont really care about the WFC/FOC continuity and use these figures as stand ins for a classics collection. Thats why the shared aesthetics with animated Grimlock turn me off so much. As far as the Dino head, its too big for the neck so it looks goofy to me. I wonder if he could same me hundreds of dollars in car insurance...


They got every last detail on the robot mode right. The problem is his proportions, namely the shoulders and legs. If he looked "nothing like his in-game robot mode" then he'd be a Starscream repaint. >:oP
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby King Kuuga » Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:14 am

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I can deal with having somewhat skinny legs because his tail is already fat as hell. If his legs were any bigger, the tail would be twice the size of the rest of the figure in T-rex mode. And honestly, this works just fine as a classics Grimlock. It has Grimlock's build, his colors, that perfect head, it has the timeless Grimlock transformation, and it's BIG. It turns into a more modernized robot T-Rex with a light-up gimmick in his mouth that you can pretend is him blowing fire. I haven't seen very many people here besides you, Rated X, who say they only care about classics-style figs, and even then, Hasbro's target with this figure is squarely kids. He's the most likely of any of the FOC Generations figures for kids to want, because he is a freaking robot t-rex. You don't have to play the games to appreciate that. That screams "cool" to pretty much any boy over the age of 4. So the goal with this figure isn't to appeal to the lucrative adult collector market as much as the Classics and first Generations line were, and thus the ideal of a Classics-style aesthetic isn't the priority. I'm sorry you don't like it, but I think you're being entirely too hard on it. If this figure doesn't fill your Classics Grimlock needs, get a Masterpiece.
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby Mykltron » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:50 am

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Postby Va'al » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:17 am

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From the images that Sabrblade reposted, it looks as though the accessories can peg onto his legs in dino mode, but not under his chest as people would like.

Hm. More food for thought.
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby Banjo-Tron » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:38 am

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Postby njb902 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:44 am

Besides Jazz and Optimus I'm really loving the FoC line.
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby Rated X » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:54 pm

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That Bot wrote:I can deal with having somewhat skinny legs because his tail is already fat as hell. If his legs were any bigger, the tail would be twice the size of the rest of the figure in T-rex mode. And honestly, this works just fine as a classics Grimlock. It has Grimlock's build, his colors, that perfect head, it has the timeless Grimlock transformation, and it's BIG. It turns into a more modernized robot T-Rex with a light-up gimmick in his mouth that you can pretend is him blowing fire. I haven't seen very many people here besides you, Rated X, who say they only care about classics-style figs, and even then, Hasbro's target with this figure is squarely kids. He's the most likely of any of the FOC Generations figures for kids to want, because he is a freaking robot t-rex. You don't have to play the games to appreciate that. That screams "cool" to pretty much any boy over the age of 4. So the goal with this figure isn't to appeal to the lucrative adult collector market as much as the Classics and first Generations line were, and thus the ideal of a Classics-style aesthetic isn't the priority. I'm sorry you don't like it, but I think you're being entirely too hard on it. If this figure doesn't fill your Classics Grimlock needs, get a Masterpiece.



I see youre point. But you must admit the Generations line wasnt designed to be hijacked by FOC. It is meant to be a homage line of different "Generations" and lately I havent seen anything but FOC under that line. (Im not counting GDO repaints, I mean new molds) I dont even consider a video game a continuity. Without a cartoon or comic storyline, it is nothing more than digital artwork and figures inspired by the likes of such. At least thats my opinion.

On to the figure itself. In my opinion they basicly took Animated Grimlock and changed his smooth round surfaces and replaced them with more flat surfaces with angles and details. I dont like the enlarged head with skinnier neck. It looks like the Geico Gekko. I want a Big dumb T-Rex that drags his tail. I dont want a streamlined scientificly correct T-Rex that looks more like a Raptor from Jurassic park. And I think everybody agrees that the tail sucks. Since Dino's are supposed to be big. Ive been using MP Grimlock as classics Grimlock for a long time and I dont see this version as an upgrade. Ill probally get it. But I dont have faith in Hasbro doing the other 4 Dinobots. But maybe a 3rd party add on kit might come out for this guy. I buy alot of Hasbro stuff based on that notion.

Now Blaster on the other hand, is just f**king awesome. He makes the perfect classics Blaster and theres even a fan made boombox mode that looks like a new school boombox. Im going for the Takara version, but I might consider buying a Hasbro Blaster and Soundwave to kitbash a Twincast. Or maybe I should just wait since they did Soundblaster.
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby RAcast » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:08 pm

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that back pack just killed it for me.
there should be NO way that the dino mode has a hallow belly, yet robot mode has a HUGE chest and a large backpack

The dino mode does have hollow stomach so the dino head can collapse into it. And besides, since when has Grimlock NOT had a backpack made of dino?
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that back pack just killed it for me.
there should be NO way that the dino mode has a hallow belly, yet robot mode has a HUGE chest and a large backpack

The dino mode does have hollow stomach so the dino head can collapse into it. And besides, since when has Grimlock NOT had a backpack made of dino?


i dont remember grimlock ever having a backpack THAT big
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:12 pm

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WHAAAAAT!!! He's SHORTER than the Soundwave/Soundblaster/Blaster mold?!!!

Rated X wrote:I see youre point. But you must admit the Generations line wasnt designed to be hijacked by FOC. It is meant to be a homage line of different "Generations" and lately I havent seen anything but FOC under that line. (Im not counting GDO repaints, I mean new molds)
That's because they started with putting WFC molds into the line at first, and then the FOC game came out and now they gotta get those toys going since it's the new big thing on the market besides Prime. While thye could have made a new toyline for these, it's probably due to the WFC toys that were in the line before that opened the door for these FOC molds to be sold in this line instead.

Rated X wrote:I dont even consider a video game a continuity. Without a cartoon or comic storyline, it is nothing more than digital artwork and figures inspired by the likes of such. At least thats my opinion.
It's not that it's a "continuity", but a "franchise". FOC has not just a game, but a comic and toys as well. Some franchises don't even have anything BUT toys.

As far as the game being a continuity goes, it has a far better narrative flow than most TF video games, telling a crucial point in the bigger Transformers story not told anywhere else. If one want to know what happens in that particular chapter of the story, one has to go to the game to experience it.

Rated X wrote:On to the figure itself. In my opinion they basicly took Animated Grimlock and changed his smooth round surfaces and replaced them with more flat surfaces with angles and details.
Yet, the transformation schemes are entirely different. The robot torso front forms the back (not the stomach) of the T-Rex. There are no back kibble "wings" like the animated figure had. The robot shoulders shift inward and outward when transforming to the T-Rex thighs and back, whereas the Animated figure's robot shoulders/T-Rex thighs stay put. the legs transform from the tail differently. And the proportions differ with Animated Grimlock being more akin to the G1 Grimlock T-Rex while this one being more like a realistic T-Rex.

Rated X wrote:I want a Big dumb T-Rex that drags his tail.
Well, they made an intent to make sure that this Grimlock wasn't dumb.

Rated X wrote:I dont want a streamlined scientificly correct T-Rex that looks more like a Raptor from Jurassic park.
Even though the Jurassic Park Raptors were just as scientifically incorrect as G1 Grimlock's T-Rex. ;)
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starwarrior1227 wrote:that back pack just killed it for me.
there should be NO way that the dino mode has a hallow belly, yet robot mode has a HUGE chest and a large backpack
You're only viewing the toy. How can you tell how large the back kibble is?

RAcast wrote:The dino mode does have hollow stomach so the dino head can collapse into it. And besides, since when has Grimlock NOT had a backpack made of dino?
Pretender Grimlock, Action Master Grimlock, Beast Wars Grimlock, Alternators Grimlock... Hey, you asked. :lol:

starwarrior1227 wrote:i dont remember grimlock ever having a backpack THAT big
G1 and Masterpiece Grimlock had giant WINGS on their backs. That's bigger than what we got here.
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

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RAcast wrote:And besides, since when has Grimlock NOT had a backpack made of dino?

Well, technically, FoC Grim isn't *supposed* to have a dino-backpack; in fact, his character model has little to nothing T. rex-esque on him, and as a result his video game transform sequence is cheaty as hell (hence why it's always so cinematic in campaign mode).

I do wish it collapsed in a bit more, but it is incredibly clever how the light for the "flamethrower" is also used to light up the body like when Grimlock was enraged in the game.
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RAcast wrote:The dino mode does have hollow stomach so the dino head can collapse into it. And besides, since when has Grimlock NOT had a backpack made of dino?
Pretender Grimlock, Action Master Grimlock, Beast Wars Grimlock, Alternators Grimlock... Hey, you asked. :lol:

I suppose I walked right into that one, didn't I? xD

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RAcast wrote:And besides, since when has Grimlock NOT had a backpack made of dino?

Well, technically, FoC Grim isn't *supposed* to have a dino-backpack; in fact, his character model has little to nothing T. rex-esque on him, and as a result his video game transform sequence is cheaty as hell (hence why it's always so cinematic in campaign mode).

I do wish it collapsed in a bit more, but it is incredibly clever how the light for the "flamethrower" is also used to light up the body like when Grimlock was enraged in the game.

Agreed. But the gimmick just works so nicely, I'm willing to make the sacrifice of a little backpack-age. I really do wish there was an extra hinge on the backpack to make his kibble wings though. I know it's not part of the FoC design, but it's always been one of my favorite nuances of G1 Grimlock's design. :P
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