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Sabrblade wrote:the most amazing argument ever in the history of Transformer fandom.

MasterSoundBlaster wrote:

That Bot wrote:People complain about the legs being small and the tail being big. They're the same part. If they made the legs bigger, the tail would be goddamn gigantic. If they made the tail smaller, the legs would be skeletal. You can't have it both ways on this one.

Thank you!

Listen if you don't like it, don't but it. No need to be ranting so much

Rated X wrote:

MasterSoundBlaster wrote:

That Bot wrote:People complain about the legs being small and the tail being big. They're the same part. If they made the legs bigger, the tail would be goddamn gigantic. If they made the tail smaller, the legs would be skeletal. You can't have it both ways on this one.

Thank you!

Listen if you don't like it, don't but it. No need to be ranting so much

Maybe they should have stuck with the classic G1 transformation sequence. Was there really a need to "neo-ize" the transformation ?

Sabrblade wrote:I think the big issue here is that the people here who want this to be like an updated G1 Grimlock and still don't like it simply have standards that are way too specific.

Hasbro already gave us an updated Classics-style Grimlock in the form of the Classics Grimlock from 2006. But people complained that it wasn't faithful enough to the G1 Grimlock and felt too different.

Then we got the Masterpiece Grimlock that was VERY faithful to the G1 Grimlock while still being updated from the G1 version. But, they still complained for the opposite reason: It isn't that much of an update since it's just the straight up G1 version with modern engineering.

Fast forward to today and we have this Grimlock. A very updated Grimlock with a faithful appearance to the G1 version while also being different enough to call an update (even though it represents a different character, but these people are looking for G1 updates rather than new characters). Surely such a combination would satisfy those who are getting all that they ever wanted, right?

Right?

"It's ugly."



Hasbro finally gives what was asked of them, and the resultant response given is, "It's ugly."



This just goes to show that there is simply no pleasing people. They asked for a Classic-style update that resembles the G1 Grimlock faithfully enough while still being different enough to be called an update, and they turn it down for the pickiest of reasons.



You know something? If this isn't enough, then I don't know what is. Masterpiece Grimlock is the most definitive version of G1 Grimlock we've ever gotten, but people want an update. What baffles the mind is why anyone would want such an update when said update is not how the character looked in the fiction. Mastepiece Grimlock is the most show-accurate representation of the character we've ever gotten. If it's an update that's wanted, go for Classics Grimlock. If Classics Grimlock is too different from how Grimlock is supposed to look, then why on Earth would one want to get an updated version in the first place? Just go for the one that actually LOOKS like Grimlock. And here we have a Grimlock that is, for all intents and purposes, a compromise between the updated look of the Classics-style figures and show-accuracy of the Masterpiece figures, and just so happens to also resemble the video game design of Aligned Grimlock. Despite being a separate character, the toy is still ripe for the repurposing into a Classics-style G1 Grimlock. Yet, even when all the demands by these people have been met by this toy, they can't help but still look for faults in this figure to nitpick about. Ya'll know what? If Hasbro still didn't meet these satisfactions with this toy, then they probably never will. They already made a Classic-style updated Grimlock (Classics), a G1-accurate Grimlock (Masterpiece), and halfway point between both (this one). They likely aren't going to try again after hitting the nail so many times just because a certain group of fans have the most meticulous of standards that no real world toy company like Hasbro would ever cater to, as that's just expecting way too much, especially since Hasbro isn't even interested in doing more Classics-style figures right now when they're putting all their attention on getting the FOC figures out and available to the public. The Classics-style G1 character figures have had their turn and now it's time for others to have theirs. The Classics-style figures will likely come back at a later point, but right now is not their time. and if and when they do make their return, there likely won't be another Grimlock since that requirement was alreayd met three times over (Classics, MP, Generations FOC). If none of these three Grimlock toys are satisfactory enough for a Classics-style collection, then I don't know what else to say other than something like, "Oh well."

Man, I need a drink.

Rated X wrote:MP Grimlock was an update in my opinion. The ony problem with it was that it wasnt voyager sized. MP figures are for coffee tables in a man-cave, not large scale season 1 collections. For me an update means increased posability, or as you put it "modern engineering. Im not among the neo fanatics who want every alt mode to be the latest piece of technology in the vechicle world. Nor do I care for complex transformations that are like puzzles and easily broken. If I-gear were to KO MP Grimlock and shrink it to voyager size, nobody would give a crap about this FOC figure.

PrymeStriker wrote:The fandom will never be pleased.

If nobody can get it right for you, do it your damn self. Let's see how well you fair at it.

Noideaforaname wrote:Yeesh, what's with all the negativity towards complaints? Most everyone who's not satisfied have given thought-out reasons as to why they aren't totally satisfied. Plus, it's completely unfair to lump them all together as "whiny haters who are never satisfied with anything."

Breakdown 2099 wrote:That Ravage/Steeljaw mold looks like it has a bad case of anorexia and scoliosis and is my least favorite.

Breakdown 2099 wrote:Grimlock's robot mode is pleasing to me, his alt mode however, isn't. I'm not going to say anything about what I would do to improve, because I wouldn't be able to. He'll be displayed in robot mode, so the alt mode isn't much of an issue. I like the character, it's just a shame that the other four don't get as much HasTak lovin'. A whole set would've been fantastic, oh well, c'est la vie

Breakdown 2099 wrote:Red Alert is a must even if it's just for his mental-collapse spark accessories! The more I see of this crazy little bot, the more I want him. Stay and guard the bunker, Inferno!

Sabrblade wrote:Individually, that is. A full set of all five would cost well over $100 bucks.

$100+? US maybe, rest of the world try $195 to $245. (based on Voyagers priced at $39 to $49). I'd love to live in the US. I'd have twice the collection I do now.
But lets not digress, I've got the Ravage mold and i don't find him aesthetically appealing. That's why he's left in his case while his brethren are out to play. I don't recall seeing all 5 Dino's since G1, of course, I'm probably wrong, but I just can't remember. I wonder if there's a reason for that?

Rated X wrote:

MasterSoundBlaster wrote:

That Bot wrote:People complain about the legs being small and the tail being big. They're the same part. If they made the legs bigger, the tail would be goddamn gigantic. If they made the tail smaller, the legs would be skeletal. You can't have it both ways on this one.

Thank you!

Listen if you don't like it, don't but it. No need to be ranting so much

Maybe they should have stuck with the classic G1 transformation sequence. Was there really a need to "neo-ize" the transformation ? He's a T-Rex, not a new car.

And I totally forgot about the wings. Damn he looks naked now to me without them. Eventually sombody will do the Dinobots right.

MP Grimlock was an update in my opinion. The ony problem with it was that it wasnt voyager sized. MP figures are for coffee tables in a man-cave, not large scale season 1 collections.

If I-gear were to KO MP Grimlock and shrink it to voyager size, nobody would give a crap about this FOC figure.

Dorkimus wrote:Why should everybody like this? Why aren't those who praise this, forced to explain why do they like this ugly grimlock figure? Why should I say anything else than "it's ugly". Because that's what it is

This grimlock is something I don't like. It doesn't even look like the game version.

Not to mention that unlike in some of those earlier promo pics he was at leat shiny and all, but now he just looks like dull grey and sand yellow...and proportions are just awry.

For some reason I find it really difficult to say any negative things about hastak or their products here in seibertron. It is just beyond me why some people are like to force-feed me this idea that I shouldn't/can't complain about this one. Everyone is entitled to have their opinion. Besides like some of you say, it is just a toy. So why defend it so hard?

Rhinox23 wrote:For those of you interested, there is the TFP Rage of the Dinobots comic to connect Season 2 and 3 of TFP. This version of Grimlock also closely resembles the comic iteration as well with no wings, chest style, leg style and arms. So, to me they did a great job of giving us a figure of this aligned representation of Grimlock.

I remember reading that one of the decision makers at Hasbro said that he would like to see all of the FOC Dinobots become Voyager toys (from an old thread on here, I'm not going to try and dig it up).

That Bot wrote:

Rated X wrote:

MasterSoundBlaster wrote:

That Bot wrote:People complain about the legs being small and the tail being big. They're the same part. If they made the legs bigger, the tail would be goddamn gigantic. If they made the tail smaller, the legs would be skeletal. You can't have it both ways on this one.

Thank you!

Listen if you don't like it, don't but it. No need to be ranting so much

Maybe they should have stuck with the classic G1 transformation sequence. Was there really a need to "neo-ize" the transformation ? He's a T-Rex, not a new car.

This is not G1 Grimlock. This is not meant to be G1 Grimlock. While it can be used as G1 Grimlock, that's not who it's supposed to be, so stop trying to hold it to the standards of G1 Grimlock. It's a T-rex that turns into a robot by turning its tail into robot legs and its rex legs into robot arms. It's gold and silver and it has a black head with red eyes. What more do you want?

And I totally forgot about the wings. Damn he looks naked now to me without them. Eventually sombody will do the Dinobots right.

MP Grimlock was an update in my opinion. The ony problem with it was that it wasnt voyager sized. MP figures are for coffee tables in a man-cave, not large scale season 1 collections.

There is seriously no pleasing you, is there?

If I-gear were to KO MP Grimlock and shrink it to voyager size, nobody would give a crap about this FOC figure.

I would, because it would be crazy cheaper than an Igear KO and it much more accurately resembles FOC Grimlock than the MP mold does. I imagine half the people in this thread would say the same thing as me on this point.