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Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby -Kanrabat- » Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:17 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:As has been said though we have a double whammy of a licensing cost. Honestly, the set would have been better served as two releases...but I'm guessing it wasn't in the budget.
Or just release JP93 by itself. Yeah, fans would still pay for the licensing, but it wouldn't cost as much. This on the assumption that those of us who got the set were looking forward to the car more than the T-Rex. And the T-Rex ended up turning out better?


The T-Rex makes the set worth buying if one dosent mind being stuck with JP-93 and paying the premium price.

Still, the T-Rex could have been better. At the very least better paint aps for the bot mode, but this can be remedied with Repros. If they ever make the set, of course.
But the ultimate thing they could have done would have been to go the extra mile in retooling the bot mode to give her a more feminine torso and a better fembot head.
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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:29 pm

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Yeah I couldn't help thinking that with the black and red paint, and the brown skin notwithstanding, T-Rex looks more like Grimlock than a chick version of Megatron.

Nonetheless, I think I made out well on the set myself, as I split it 50/50 with a co-worker/fellow fan because he just wanted JP93 and I liked T-Rex.
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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby -Kanrabat- » Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:18 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah I couldn't help thinking that with the black and red paint, and the brown skin notwithstanding, T-Rex looks more like Grimlock than a chick version of Megatron.

Nonetheless, I think I made out well on the set myself, as I split it 50/50 with a co-worker/fellow fan because he just wanted JP93 and I liked T-Rex.


That's how I see... him... as well. Ignoring the original, T-Rex IS Grimlock. Not that weird Dinobot repaint. [-(

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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:54 am

A few things to keep in mind while trying to compare this set against retail figures. All of these items add cost to the set overall, but are basically invisible or non-tangible costs when you are just looking at the figures.
-Double licensing, enough has been said about this.
-Paint budget, the paint work on both figures is great, but especially complex and detailed on JP93 well beyond what most retail figures go. Considering how many colors were used, not only the materials but the paint process steps are added costs above a normal figure.
-The packaging, this is one item I haven't seen considered much, and it actually has a couple levels to it. The package has much more surface area covered with artwork to complete the iconic scene.
-The package also have a outer plain box on top that retail figures don't.
-Finally the assembly process has an extra step because of the packaging. Most figures are assembled in bot mode. These were packaged in alt mode. Someone needed to transform all the assembled bots before packaging.

So while the set cost 2x retail leader price and gave us a leader and a deluxe; the extra $30 had to cover all those items above, just to compare against a regular retail release, and then account for whatever profit margins Hasbro requires due to lesser numbers being released than regular retail.

That extra $30 can go fast.

Now I'm a fan of the toys first, and the package normally doesn't matter that much to me at all. If Hasbro decided to release Rexy as just a normal new head leader redeco not attached to the film, I would have bought it happily.

A separate, simpler package for JP93 with less art, him in robot mode, and no outer box, might have meant they would be able to release him at a more reasonable price, say $40-$45. But then you lose the iconic scene, and have Rexy with no official tie to Jurassic Park. This is one case where I actually like the final product including the packaging and am accepting of the final price. It just hit the right nostalgia buttons for me, and I suspect quite a few others.

The real shame is that the set was an Amazon exclusive and not at brick and mortar stores. Because the final package looks great and would probably generate a lot of impulse buys if it were sitting on a shelf in a toy section.
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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby Moosebot » Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:48 pm

Moosebot wrote:Did no one know this was available at Target for half the price and even cheaper with coupons/discounts?

https://www.target.com/p/jurassic-world ... exclusive/


Are people primarily buying from Amazon because they are outside the US? I picked mine up at Target on Sept 22. I'd like help understanding so that I can contribute better. This is only my second post, and I'm quoting my first as it is.
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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby Emerje » Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:58 pm

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TF-fan kev777 wrote:-Double licensing, enough has been said about this.
-Paint budget, the paint work on both figures is great, but especially complex and detailed on JP93 well beyond what most retail figures go. Considering how many colors were used, not only the materials but the paint process steps are added costs above a normal figure.

Again, a $17 markup accounts for these two things, they don't account for JP93 being a sub-par Deluxe. And unlike Every other crossover figure that's either a new mold or a heavy retool, Rex is just a repaint with a new head that was probably already built into the mold. I would say her deco doesn't use any more paint than Megatron since her bot parts are barely painted compared to his. Does that specific dino deco require a license, it always seemed generic T-rex to me?

-The packaging, this is one item I haven't seen considered much, and it actually has a couple levels to it. The package has much more surface area covered with artwork to complete the iconic scene.
-The package also have a outer plain box on top that retail figures don't.

I disagree. Packaging is rarely a factor in prices unless it's something super premium. They're like advertising designed to draw you to the figure inside with the understanding that most people are going to throw it away. Otherwise Studio Series figures would cost $5 more than WFC figures since they have the extra stand alone display backdrop included. I'd also argue that those backdrops are more interesting and practical than this crossover packaging.

And that outer cardboard box was just a shipping box, it cost them a negligible amount. It was more of a cost savings for Amazon since they shipped in them rather than a cost passed on to us.

-Finally the assembly process has an extra step because of the packaging. Most figures are assembled in bot mode. These were packaged in alt mode. Someone needed to transform all the assembled bots before packaging.

This really feels like a stretch. That would still be considered part of the assembly line and those assembly workers are paid hardly anything to begin with.

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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby Emerje » Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:41 am

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Just watched this video on Spector Creative talking about toy licensing. Towards the end he talks about double licensing he says that double licenses (like with JP93) may not cost more or as much as we think. It also explains why figures like like JP93 and Maverick probably can't be used to make other figures, but existing figures can be used to make other Transformers crossovers.



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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby -Kanrabat- » Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:56 am

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What I want to know is why the mark-up of these X-over toys is double or triple in Canada compared to the USA.
No, exchange rate is not an excuse because normal retail Transformers are about the same price in Canada and the USA counting the exchange rate.

There may be some Canadian law at play here. :-?
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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:30 am

I think the prices are just how much they think it'll sell for. Sure the extra paint and licenses don't help, but I think the markup is mostly it being a "premium" product + the popularity of crossovers. The other reasons sound more like excuses to me.

That said, once mine comes in I'll be happy. I still like how those figures look overall.

It'd be nice to know why Canada gets screwed in terms of pricing. Even when the dollar was at parity years ago we got screwed. WTF?
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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:31 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:What I want to know is why the mark-up of these X-over toys is double or triple in Canada compared to the USA.
No, exchange rate is not an excuse because normal retail Transformers are about the same price in Canada and the USA counting the exchange rate.

There may be some Canadian law at play here. :-?


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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:59 pm

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:What I want to know is why the mark-up of these X-over toys is double or triple in Canada compared to the USA.
No, exchange rate is not an excuse because normal retail Transformers are about the same price in Canada and the USA counting the exchange rate.

There may be some Canadian law at play here. :-?


Import duties maybe?


Maybe they have to license it in English and French at twice the licensing cost. :-D
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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby william-james88 » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:20 pm

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TF-fan kev777 wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:What I want to know is why the mark-up of these X-over toys is double or triple in Canada compared to the USA.
No, exchange rate is not an excuse because normal retail Transformers are about the same price in Canada and the USA counting the exchange rate.

There may be some Canadian law at play here. :-?


Import duties maybe?


Maybe they have to license it in English and French at twice the licensing cost. :-D


I think that its aboit the licensing. If the license is at the national level, then canadian distribution would be done as an import instead of its own localized national distribution. So it ends up being exoensive just like the piranacon limbs were more expensive for the US
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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:28 am

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Well after Amazon flip-flopped on the shipping date 3 times in the last 2 weeks, I finally got this set. Having bought Beast Megatron from Kingdom, I'm pretty sure I know what I'm getting with Tyrannocon, so she's staying in the box for now until Thursday when I get more time to play with her. I did remove and transform JP93, and I must say I'm not disappointed in the figure itself. The waist gap is there, but it's very minimal and can be seen only from certain angles. It's the size and engineering level of a deluxe, so it's not worth $60, but I understand the reasons for the extra cost. Mine doesn't want to line up in vehicle mode, so the front and rear halves of the vehicle are weirdly misaligned on the left side. The right side is fine. I got this set with a friend who wanted and will be getting JP93, but if I had gotten the entire set for myself, I wouldn't regret it. But JP93 would be in robot mode most of the time.
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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:43 am

Rodimus Prime wrote:Mine doesn't want to line up in vehicle mode, so the front and rear halves of the vehicle are weirdly misaligned on the left side. The right side is fine. I got this set with a friend who wanted and will be getting JP93, but if I had gotten the entire set for myself, I wouldn't regret it. But JP93 would be in robot mode most of the time.


Double check the hips of JP93. Someone else had a similar issue and it ended up that he had 2 of the same (left or right) hip parts instead of 1 of each.
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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

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For anyone in Australia who may have missed out on this set due to Amazon's incompetence at ordering enough stock, Zing have posted on their Facebook page that they have EXTREMELY limited stock of the set which will go on sale tomorrow (online only) from 11am AEDT (so adjust for your local timezone)
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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:40 pm

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:"Unnecessarily clear panel" my aft, the roof had to be clear.

The roof does, but the panel is painted red save for a tiny bit at the end. They could have used black plastic instead since the clear plastic is so darkly tinted and it sits directly on top of an opaque section making it impossible to see through anyway.
1. That would lead to an ugly mismash opaque and clear glazing touching each other, and that always looks off. And altmode looks were a definite focus with JP93.
2. Remember to factor in mold layout.

Emerje wrote:
Agree with the person who said we've been spoiled by waist swivels; they've always been a luxury.

A staple bit of articulation for the last 10 years is a luxury? Are you serious? Is this what we're settling for these days?
Yes, I'm serious. They've become an increasingly common luxury, yes (though often at the cost of a hollow back pelvis, on Deluxes and some Voyagers). But even now, cost or transformation engineering will sometimes get in the way (see: Combiner Wars Ultra Magnus, the Earthrise Seekers).
The luxuries of this figure are being an exquisitely-painted licensed Jurassic Park Ford Explorer.

Emerje wrote:
TF-fan kev777 wrote:-Double licensing, enough has been said about this.
-Paint budget, the paint work on both figures is great, but especially complex and detailed on JP93 well beyond what most retail figures go. Considering how many colors were used, not only the materials but the paint process steps are added costs above a normal figure.

Again, a $17 markup accounts for these two things, they don't account for JP93 being a sub-par Deluxe.
*facepalm*
1. And you get this $17 total figure for both the Jurassic Park movie license and the Ford Motor Company license from...?
2. What does explain it is that JP-93 is a brand new made-from-scratch mold of a licensed vehicle for a relatively limited set, and which it's uncertain they'd be able to reuse elsewhere, putting a damper on the ability to cheapen it through volume.

Emerje wrote:And unlike Every other crossover figure that's either a new mold or a heavy retool, Rex is just a repaint with a new head that was probably already built into the mold. I would say her deco doesn't use any more paint than Megatron since her bot parts are barely painted compared to his. Does that specific dino deco require a license, it always seemed generic T-rex to me?
Ohhh yes, that absolutely requires a license. That specific scale color patterning combined with those yellow eyes is peculiar to Rexy, referenced (if somewhat simplified) from her maquette and full-size animatronic.

Emerje wrote:
-The packaging, this is one item I haven't seen considered much, and it actually has a couple levels to it. The package has much more surface area covered with artwork to complete the iconic scene.
-The package also have a outer plain box on top that retail figures don't.

I disagree. Packaging is rarely a factor in prices unless it's something super premium. They're like advertising designed to draw you to the figure inside with the understanding that most people are going to throw it away. Otherwise Studio Series figures would cost $5 more than WFC figures since they have the extra stand alone display backdrop included. I'd also argue that those backdrops are more interesting and practical than this crossover packaging.
Riiiiight. Because this crossover packaging totally isn't the same sort of scene-from-the-movie backdrop insert as Studio Series.

Oh, wait. Still, probably doesn't add all that much.

As for the people saying JP93 should have been sold separately... Problem there is, this set was designed to be a Transformers version of the regular JP anniversary set.
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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby william-james88 » Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:06 am

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:As for the people saying JP93 should have been sold separately... Problem there is, this set was designed to be a Transformers version of the regular JP anniversary set.


Where was this stated?
Also licensing is not needed for Rexy. The lack of licensing for the dinosaurs is the reason for the JP stamps on the toys along with the battle damage gimmicks initially found in the line. It's a well known and talked about fact in the industry, I don't know why you would state otherwise without proof.
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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby alekese » Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:30 pm

I think with a lot of these crossover figures, we have a habit of falling into an echo chamber of evaluating them from the perspective of being only intended for transformers fans, and judging them more harshly as a result, JP93 in particular. Thing is, these collaborative figures are equally targeted at fans of the other franchise that don't normally get transformers as well. I found a video review from collectjurassic.com evaluating this set from the perspective of a jurassic park toy collector. In it, he gushes lovingly over JP93's altmode, praising it for being a more accurate representation in both profile and deco scheme than the most recent Mattel version, and comments on how it's profile accuracy hasn't been compromised at all for also turning into a robot. Overall, he heaps nothing but praise on this set, a stark contrast to the mixed reception I've seen from the transformers community. You can watch it here:
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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sat Dec 11, 2021 2:11 pm

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It's great that other fandoms are getting mixed up with us in a positive way, but for the difference in level of positivity you have to account for the exact thing you mentioned: they don't look at it from a Transformers fan's POV. Therefore the transforming aspect of the figure is not as highly valued nor scrutinized as it would be from 1 of us.
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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:36 pm

It's interesting to hear the other side of the review process. It makes me appreciate the figure a bit more, although I never had a real problem with it.

I wonder if the others in the line have similar flipped opinions.
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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:16 pm

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:As for the people saying JP93 should have been sold separately... Problem there is, this set was designed to be a Transformers version of the regular JP anniversary set.

Where was this stated?
Nowhere explicitly, but it seems a preeeetty likely scenario to me given that this does, in fact, mirror both a Mattel Legacy Collection set and the Iron Studios T. Rex Attack diorama (very closely, in fact).

william-james88 wrote:Also licensing is not needed for Rexy. The lack of licensing for the dinosaurs is the reason for the JP stamps on the toys along with the battle damage gimmicks initially found in the line. It's a well known and talked about fact in the industry, I don't know why you would state otherwise without proof.
You're right, my bad for assuming. I was figuring something had changed since the older days, since Rexy's toys have been a lot more consistently decorated (and closer to the on-screen patterns) beginning with the Jurassic World merch (vs. what we saw with the JP, TLW, and JPIII lines), and you don't see the blatant JP stamps on the more modern JP dinos (not that I've noticed anyway, and I've taken a look in stores).

...Speaking of licensing, it occurs to me that Mattel being the primary licensee for Jurassic Park toys may have contributed to this set's swollen price.
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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby william-james88 » Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:21 pm

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...Speaking of licensing, it occurs to me that Mattel being the primary licensee for Jurassic Park toys may have contributed to this set's swollen price.


Definitely, that's a good point.
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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:47 am

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...Speaking of licensing, it occurs to me that Mattel being the primary licensee for Jurassic Park toys may have contributed to this set's swollen price.


Definitely, that's a good point.



I'll just bid my time. For the absurd price the set go on, once Amazon is tired to have piles of the ting gathering dust in their warehouse it will go on clearance at 33 or 40% off.
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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:10 am

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william-james88 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
...Speaking of licensing, it occurs to me that Mattel being the primary licensee for Jurassic Park toys may have contributed to this set's swollen price.


Definitely, that's a good point.



I'll just bid my time. For the absurd price the set go on, once Amazon is tired to have piles of the ting gathering dust in their warehouse it will go on clearance at 33 or 40% off.
I'll strike then.


And there we go.

The set is now at 108.50$CAN meaning it's now pretty much the same price as a regular deluxe and a regular leader at normal retail price.

https://www.amazon.ca/-/fr/Hasbro-Trans ... 82&sr=1-56

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Re: Jurassic Park x Transformers Crossover Confirmed

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