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[King Kuuga]

By the way, how was the Machinima Combiner Wars series? I kinda missed out.

I'm not sure if you're joking or you honestly missed the last page or 20 of people complaining about it.

[Ultra Markus]

They probably saw simply the number of views on Go90, Youtube, and various other sites, and complete ignored comments & feedback.

From what I've seen, most of the praise this CW series received came mainly from the communities of Facebook, and that's a rather LARGE amount of viewers.

'Course, most of the praise came simply from the show's being a G1-style show rather than anything of actual quality (or lack thereof) in the show. Comments like "Oh, it's the Transformers from my childhood finally brought back!" or "G1 lives again!" or "This is WAY better than that stupid RID show!" or "This is how the movies should be!" show just how much of Facebook is home to a fanbase of Geewunners who blinded themselves to any of the show's actual shortcomings all because it used a G1-inspired look (much like how many likewise blind themselves to any of the original G1 cartoon's actual shortcomings, funnily enough).

As long as the Facebook crowd keeps singing blind praises to any garbage product that happens to resemble G1 closely enough, there will always be an audience for more of this foolishness.

so much G1 hate!

[leokearon]

Given the "quality" of the Combiner Wars section, I'm expecting Titans Return to be similar in quality and tone to the Omni/Star Headmaster Dub

[King Kuuga]

They probably saw simply the number of views on Go90, Youtube, and various other sites, and complete ignored comments & feedback.

From what I've seen, most of the praise this CW series received came mainly from the communities of Facebook, and that's a rather LARGE amount of viewers.

'Course, most of the praise came simply from the show's being a G1-style show rather than anything of actual quality (or lack thereof) in the show. Comments like "Oh, it's the Transformers from my childhood finally brought back!" or "G1 lives again!" or "This is WAY better than that stupid RID show!" or "This is how the movies should be!" show just how much of Facebook is home to a fanbase of Geewunners who blinded themselves to any of the show's actual shortcomings all because it used a G1-inspired look (much like how many likewise blind themselves to any of the original G1 cartoon's actual shortcomings, funnily enough).

As long as the Facebook crowd keeps singing blind praises to any garbage product that happens to resemble G1 closely enough, there will always be an audience for more of this foolishness.

so much G1 hate!

G1 is camp fun but a lot of people treat it as the be-all end-all of Transformers fiction, placing it on an impossible pedestal and refusing to acknowledge its flaws or recognize any other iteration of the franchise as contributing anything positive or having any noteworthy attributes. See also Ruined FOREVER!

[Deadput]

so much G1 hate!

You misinterpret what he says Sabr is saying that even if it looks like G1 a garbage show would still be garbage even if it looked like something else like Animated or Prime.


It's the plot and the animation that is garbage not the design of the show which is ok but it's not even original which to be honest due to people like the Facebook fans we will most likely never see an original Transformers project again after Rid is done besides the Bay movies which a vocal minority and the hard core G1 fans dislike because it has to be G1 only because everything else is a turd and my childhood was raped thanks Obama Bay.

[Emerje]

Back to the theory of what Power of the Primes entails I'm thinking we'll see each figure in the line representing one of the Thirteen Primes' institutions. So that would mean Minicons representing Micronus Prime, beasts representing Onyx Prime, Combiners representing Nexus Prime and so on as well as some of the actual Thirteen. Could end up being a lot of variety if done this way, like mini factions.

Emerje

[Sabrblade]

Woke up this morning to see all these Facebook comments about this news (which got 86 likes on the news post I'm looking at):

"Let the kids learn what transformers really is not childish crap. But proper characters and good story line."

"Better than Bayformers."

"Hell yea cant wait"

"let em collect the generation toys instead of one step crap rid toys!"

"Need a proper g1 cartoon and soon"

"Combiner Wars storyline was good"

"Is there a date set for it's show time"

"The voice acting is underappreciated, the main characters (Optimus Prime, Windblade, and Megatron) were written well, and the animation was passable"

[Autobot N]

Woke up this morning to see all these Facebook comments about this news (which got 86 likes on the news post I'm looking at):

"Let the kids learn what transformers really is not childish crap. But proper characters and good story line."

"Better than Bayformers."

"Hell yea cant wait"

"let em collect the generation toys instead of one step crap rid toys!"

"Need a proper g1 cartoon and soon"

"Combiner Wars storyline was good"

"Is there a date set for it's show time"

"The voice acting is underappreciated, the main characters (Optimus Prime, Windblade, and Megatron) were written well, and the animation was passable"

Filthy casuals.

[Coptur]

I'd still like the chance to audition for this.

[Decepticon Stryker]

There is one piece of interesting news here - we found out the final instalment in Prime Wars is called "Power of the Primes".

Absolutely no friggin' clue what gimmick that could be though. Then again, not like the name Titans Return would immediately make you think Headmasters.

I want to see Godmasters. I know that's what they're doing now (only with heads, not engines) but it'd be cool to see them again. I don't really care what gimmick they use since I'd be fine with any of them. Except...Kiss Players....*shudders*

[OptimalOptimus2]

By the way, how was the Machinima Combiner Wars series? I kinda missed out.

I'm not sure if you're joking or you honestly missed the last page or 20 of people complaining about it.

That's all I needed to know.

[Burn]

"The voice acting is underappreciated"

I can partially agree with this. Yeah, there was some good voice acting (Jon 3.0) but it was overshadowed by some incredibly terrible voice acting (whoever did Starscream)

[Munkky]

Back to the theory of what Power of the Primes entails I'm thinking we'll see each figure in the line representing one of the Thirteen Primes' institutions. So that would mean Minicons representing Micronus Prime, beasts representing Onyx Prime, Combiners representing Nexus Prime and so on as well as some of the actual Thirteen. Could end up being a lot of variety if done this way, like mini factions.

Emerje

This is what I'm hoping for. I would love a Nexus Prime toy done in the style of the Combiner Wars combiners, Hasbro could even be lazy and repaint the Combaticons if they wanted, seeing as the original Nexus Prime was a repaint of Energon Bruticus Maximus. I think Mini-Cons are likely to be involved in some way, Robots in Disguise has been Mini-Con heavy since it started, so I can see Hasbro wanting to add them to other areas and make them even more prominent.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

"The voice acting is underappreciated"

I can partially agree with this. Yeah, there was some good voice acting (Jon 3.0) but it was overshadowed by some incredibly terrible voice acting (whoever did Starscream)

The voice of Megatron was also a win. Man I loved that Megatron

[Kurona]

Back to the theory of what Power of the Primes entails I'm thinking we'll see each figure in the line representing one of the Thirteen Primes' institutions. So that would mean Minicons representing Micronus Prime, beasts representing Onyx Prime, Combiners representing Nexus Prime and so on as well as some of the actual Thirteen. Could end up being a lot of variety if done this way, like mini factions.

Emerje

This is what I'm hoping for. I would love a Nexus Prime toy done in the style of the Combiner Wars combiners, Hasbro could even be lazy and repaint the Combaticons if they wanted, seeing as the original Nexus Prime was a repaint of Energon Bruticus Maximus. I think Mini-Cons are likely to be involved in some way, Robots in Disguise has been Mini-Con heavy since it started, so I can see Hasbro wanting to add them to other areas and make them even more prominent.

Actually, Nexus Prime replaced one of the tanks and one of the helicopters with two aerialbots.
It'd still be really cool though and I feel it's been a missed opportunity, especially by Botcon/the club. Air Raid, Slingshot, Blades, Onslaught, Brawl... would've been so easy. Just needed a new combiner head too.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Back to the theory of what Power of the Primes entails I'm thinking we'll see each figure in the line representing one of the Thirteen Primes' institutions. So that would mean Minicons representing Micronus Prime, beasts representing Onyx Prime, Combiners representing Nexus Prime and so on as well as some of the actual Thirteen. Could end up being a lot of variety if done this way, like mini factions.

Emerje

This is what I'm hoping for. I would love a Nexus Prime toy done in the style of the Combiner Wars combiners, Hasbro could even be lazy and repaint the Combaticons if they wanted, seeing as the original Nexus Prime was a repaint of Energon Bruticus Maximus. I think Mini-Cons are likely to be involved in some way, Robots in Disguise has been Mini-Con heavy since it started, so I can see Hasbro wanting to add them to other areas and make them even more prominent.

Actually, Nexus Prime replaced one of the tanks and one of the helicopters with two aerialbots.
It'd still be really cool though and I feel it's been a missed opportunity, especially by Botcon/the club. Air Raid, Slingshot, Blades, Onslaught, Brawl... would've been so easy. Just needed a new combiner head too.

Funny thing: that is almost the exact same molding as CW Bruticus used, just with the Air Raid replacing Swindle mold. So, I don't think I'm that disappointed in how it turned out there. Maybe we'll get some new molds and a better tank mold for a Nexus Prime

[Ultra Markus]

so much G1 hate!

You misinterpret what he says Sabr is saying that even if it looks like G1 a garbage show would still be garbage even if it looked like something else like Animated or Prime.


It's the plot and the animation that is garbage not the design of the show which is ok but it's not even original which to be honest due to people like the Facebook fans we will most likely never see an original Transformers project again after Rid is done besides the Bay movies which a vocal minority and the hard core G1 fans dislike because it has to be G1 only because everything else is a turd and my childhood was raped thanks Obama Bay.

Well the tone of the comment made me think otherwise, but yeah I'm a big G1 fan myself and thought it wasn't very good it was more like a bad fan made YouTube video
The only thing it had going for it was the likeness of the characters
My thought is the devestaion game made a better G1 cartoon than that

[Ultra Markus]

i think if they made it the way GI JOE Resolute was made it could have been great

[Sabrblade]

"The voice acting is underappreciated"

I can partially agree with this. Yeah, there was some good voice acting (Jon 3.0) but it was overshadowed by some incredibly terrible voice acting (whoever did Starscream)

I'd say that the only one whose acting was really bad was the Mistress of Flame, while the only one who was royally miscast was Menasor. To me, the rest of the characters both had voices that were decent and acting that range from passable to really good (Megatron takes the cake for having the best acting and best voice).

For Starscream, though, I felt Frank Todaro gave two kinds of performances. His first performance was as Starscream before he turned into a screaming star. That performance was, IMO, really good. I dug his more mature, grown-up take on Starscream before we learned that it was all a lie. Which leads me to his second performance, in which Starscream went completely bonkers in the end. THAT performance was abysmal. Not just for its ruining the meaningful essence of the first performance, but also in that it was just plain awful to listen to, with Screamer yelling everything in the most annoying way possible.

so much G1 hate!

You misinterpret what he says Sabr is saying that even if it looks like G1 a garbage show would still be garbage even if it looked like something else like Animated or Prime.


It's the plot and the animation that is garbage not the design of the show which is ok but it's not even original which to be honest due to people like the Facebook fans we will most likely never see an original Transformers project again after Rid is done besides the Bay movies which a vocal minority and the hard core G1 fans dislike because it has to be G1 only because everything else is a turd and my childhood was raped thanks Obama Bay.

Well the tone of the comment made me think otherwise, but yeah I'm a big G1 fan myself and thought it wasn't very good it was more like a bad fan made YouTube video
The only thing it had going for it was the likeness of the characters
My thought is the devestaion game made a better G1 cartoon than that

That's my point, though. The nutcases on Facebook blindly praised this show because of its using G1 likenesses. Had it used the likenesses of, say, the 2001 Robots in Disguise cartoon, I doubt all of those people would have given it as much praise as they did. The fact that the show used G1 likenesses is how it garnered such a following on Facebook, since all those people want to see G1 likenesses ("not the stupid Bayformers or RID kiddie crud!") and this show gave them what they wanted, even if the show itself turned out to be garbage.

[primalxconvoy]

Not going to happen. You'll find that most sites have long established good relations with Hasbro, suddenly deciding to not run news on a particular subject because "the entire fandom hated it" (which let's be honest, like the movies it's a vocal minority).

Oh and your signature is too large as per our site guidelines. I can fix it for ya if you like but most people don't like what I give them.

That's interesting. Reminds me of "Future Publishing", which went up against the video games industry (well, Sega) and have a game a bad review, so Sega blacklisted the offending magazine. A precursor to the death of videogames magazines due, partly, to "corruption". Then "we" all got out news online and on YouTube and then..

Anyway, it was just an idea. The main thing is for fans to not watch the new shoes. If enough people don't watch the shows, the drop in views might convince Hasbro to at least avoid making "for da fans" shows. But sad, but then they can leave them to the experts, which are the fans themselves.

As for the sig, go ahead. I already reduced the size once, but anything is much appreciated. Thanks for the kind offer. Most sites, quite rightly, would just remove it and/or offer a warning, etc, so beggars can't be choosers! If i don't like it, i can always make a different one, that's hopefully smaller!

[BombshellDaBug]

Woke up this morning to see all these Facebook comments about this news (which got 86 likes on the news post I'm looking at):

"Let the kids learn what transformers really is not childish crap. But proper characters and good story line."

"Better than Bayformers."

"Hell yea cant wait"

"let em collect the generation toys instead of one step crap rid toys!"

"Need a proper g1 cartoon and soon"

"Combiner Wars storyline was good"

"Is there a date set for it's show time"

"The voice acting is underappreciated, the main characters (Optimus Prime, Windblade, and Megatron) were written well, and the animation was passable"

Yeah, the Facebook fans are pretty terrible. I'm convinced that a lot of them didn't actually watch the Combiner Wars series, and just praised it solely because it had that G1 aesthetic. In fact, I'm completely convinced that they're the reason that we don't often see product images posted on Facebook anymore because they trashed ANYTHING that WASN'T Generations. They're a little too vocal and hostile to change for my taste, frankly.

[Sabrblade]

Going back through the same Facebook page to the posts for each individual episode when they aired reveals even more disturbing comments of foolish praise.



When Episode 1 aired:

"I didn't think it was bad. It's better than Bayformers. I just wish they could've gotten a different voice actor for Menasor. I can live with this Computron's voice. As someone who is really, really big on the G1 cartoon it would've been cooler if they got surviving actors to reprise their roles."



The post for Episode 2 seems to have disappeared. Oh well.



When Episode 3 aired:

"Pretty dope, but Optimus has the personality of a horse fly, not digging his voice at all, other than that nice action and animation."

"Its brilliant ut im left wanting to know more. I think after hte eight episodes I think it is. They will see how it goes and maybe make a proper series. thats pure guess work."



Huh, no comments got posted for when Episode 4 aired. Weird.



When episode 5 aired:

"Not bad. Just needs Peter Cullen and Frank Welker."

"I wish these episodes were longer. Maybe it will do like clone wars and get a full treatment after this."



When Episode 6 aired:

"When's the next one ???"

" how long the series going to run ?? It's good"

"Yo go to the go90 site by verizon. They way they are making these is reminiscent of the 80's transformers. Episodes are only 5 minutes long tho. Still good"

"This episode is what #CombinerWars is all about smh #fistpump #excellent all around"

"Not bad gonna be an interesting fight especially if fort max appears"

"I would love to see this as a movie, in theaters, in the next little while....."

"Excelente que bien va está serie"

"It's awesome. I'm anxiously awaiting next episode"



When Episode 7 aired... only two posts were made and neither contained an opinion of any kind.



When Episode 8 aired:

"This was a very well done series. The ending revealing the "Titans Return" launch was surprising. SO WAS MEGATRONS LAST TRANSFORMATION! I DO HOPE THAT THEY MAKE A TOY OF THIS! I want to see Metroplex, and Fortress Maximus, and Trypticon, Omega Supreme, Scorponok, and dare I hope for it...Overlord, in action! I would also like to see....Piranacon, Monstructor, Raiden, Predaking, Defensor, Superion, and Abominus."

"Such a shame they dont broadcast it in uk yet"

"Buuh, only 8 episodes? I want more!"

"It was awesome. I liked every episode ."

"Will there be a Titans Return to on as well?" "I hope so. I want to actually see Metroplex in action" "...and Fort Max"

"Yea it was great IMO left me wanting more , just hope it garnered enough support for HASTAK to develop a full series ."





It's THESE kinds of people who wanted more of this travesty.

[Big Grim]

I'm looking forward to seeing the Titans in action.

What makes you think we'll see any? Not like there was any action worth a damn featuring Combiners in Combiner Wars.

[o.supreme]

"Need a proper g1 cartoon and soon"

I took that as-"Need a proper g1 cartoon and soon"... because CW was NOT. A sentiment I find more and more people are sharing. Was definitely not meant to be praise for CW.

[TFPhotoguy]

"Need a proper g1 cartoon and soon"

Why are they asking for a g1 cartoon when they ALREADY HAVE A G1 CARTOON. And if you include the Japanese series- YOU HAVE 5 G1 CARTOONS