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[Sabrblade]

I mean, it's not like the G1 cartoon didn't already get ninety-doggone-eight episodes to begin with.

But as you so famously point out, Rescue Bots got 104

A big impressive number is still a big impressive number.

And seeing as how it took nearly thirty years for another TF show to even match, let alone top, that number...

Plus a full bonus season of "best of" episodes.

All re-runs, so those don't count, you might as well throw in G2 if that's the point you are trying to make

Except that, unlike G2's reruns, the "Season 5" reruns included brand new narrative content (however little it was) at the beginning and end of each episode that carried on after the fourth season.

Plus THREE additional full-length sequel series from Japan.

You know of anyone here, how much I really enjoy the Japanese shows. For *ME*, I truly do see them as seasons 5-7 of the original show, especially since I've known about them all along, it wasn't something I just discovered much later (Thanks to a Japanese exchange student in my class in 1988). But most fans don't see it that way, they simply see them as this quirky little *other* thing that mostly gets ignored.

And that's their fault.

Man, some G1 cartoon fans really have no idea how spoiled they've been by the stuff that's already been made for them.

I'll go back and make the same comparison I've made Ad nauseam. In japan the Mobile Suit Gundam Frnchise had a tight singular continuity spanning several series and movies until 1994. Mobile Fighter G Gundam was the first departure from this, and established a multi-universal Gundam continuity. From this point on, several new continuities were established, but the original "UC" (Universal Century) timeline is still returned to every so often, and those series/films are highly acclaimed.

Gundam has simply been treated with more seriousness and respect over in Japan than Transformers has been, in Japan or elsewhere. Only with the first live action movie did mainstream audiences anywhere finally begin to look at Transformers on a more serious level, but then the sequels had to go and muck up any respect that the first movie had garnered for the brand. Gundam, in Japan at least, didn't have that problem.

With Transformers its a bit different, but if you include BW & BM (and BWII/Neo in Japan), which were later folded to be in each countries respective original continuity, things all existed in the same universe until 2000. Car Robots (RiD), was the first departure from this, and established, in TF animation, a multi-universal Transformers continuity.

RiD did that, not Car Robots. Car Robots alluded to stuff from both JG1 and JBW. Armada/Micron Densetsu was Japan's first openly new continuity restart.

Now since then, many other continuities have been established, but not ONCE has an attempt been made to return to the original series timeline, which was left open ended (Like the UC Gundam timeline).

Fun Pub did (in a way that they were allowed to) with the Wings Universe material. The BotCon 2010 story Generation 2: Redux even began with a recapping of events that transpired shortly after The Rebirth leading up to the story's present day events.

Most other TF continuities have had full resolution, which is why the desire to return to the original burns so strong in me. Not IDW, nor Machinima's cut-rate series even come close. The closest things we've had was the Devastation Video game (which was brilliant). I'm not saying we need to return to it always and forever, but just something, anything. It works well in Japan. Kids who weren't even alive 30-40 years ago don't lament when a new chapter in the UC series is added. Nor should anyone frown on a return to the original TF continuity. There will always be plenty of new adventures (The Movie Franchise, comics, Cyberverse etc...) to captivate and reel in new interest. All I'm saying is, throw us life-long fans an appreciative (in the form of animation specifically, not talking toys or comics) bone somewhere.

Honestly, the way The Rebirth ended as is was pretty standard for how most 80s cartoons that got legit finales ended. The bad guys pull off one final grand scheme to end it all for good, the good guys overcome the impossible odds before them to stop this doomsday, a great celebratory victory is had for the good guys with a new age of peace coming about, and all the bad guys who were beaten are sent into retreat to never be heard from again even if they spout their usual rhetoric of swearing revenge.

We even got the bonus continuity callback to "War Dawn" in the new Golden Age, which also bookended the show with how drained in resources the planet was back in the very first episode, by its resources finally being restored after countless millennia of warfare.

In many ways, it's also very much like how Challenge of the GoBots's intended series finale "Mission: GoBotron" (which aired way out of order) played out: The series-long reconstruction of the planet is finally at hand, the Renegades do everything in their power to stop the reconstruction efforts, much harm is caused by these acts of sabotage, seeds of dissension and disillusionment are sown among the Guardians' ranks (not a parallel to The Rebirth, just pointing out to further illustrate the stakes in this ep), one final all-out assault is launched as the two factions have their last decisive stand-off for control of the planet, and in the end, the Guardians overcome the Renegades and the reconstruct is at last fully underway, with tattered remains of the enemy fleet sent to retreat into space, never to be heard from again despite Cy-Kill vowing to return (though, the Battle of the Rock Lords movie then comes along and ruins this finality, but it's self-contained enough that it doesn't demand a further continuation).

Now the actual reason why I came here this morning . I tortured myself yesterday and went back and watched the last episode of TR to make sure I wasn't missing something. So....Where's Fort Max? He was alive and well, and we all know how much machinima wants to get full use out of it's characters. Heck I'm surprised they didn't resurrect Metroplex & Trypticon for no good reason at the end of TR. IRL I know Michael Dorn is not attached to this project, so Fort Max will most likely not be in it (unless his voice was recast?), but...you would think an active Titan could be pretty useful against any threat that's not a Prime.

Heh, with as much ease as they killed three combiners, maybe Overlord and Rodimus Cron killed him too offscreen.

yeah the 3 Japanese series were fun and cool but it deviated from the American side of the story like an alternate earth like how SG is from another alternate earth

You do know that Japan released The Headmasters before America released The Rebirth, right? Japan's show came first.

[Bronzewolf]

Um, hello? What am I, chopped energon? Back on topic, please, as I asked.

[Sabrblade]

Sorry, your post wasn't yet visible when I was first typing mine (which also coincided with when the site was malfunctioning for a bit), so I missed it completely.

To veer back on topic, I'll pull out the following response I gave to o.surpreme:

Now the actual reason why I came here this morning . I tortured myself yesterday and went back and watched the last episode of TR to make sure I wasn't missing something. So....Where's Fort Max? He was alive and well, and we all know how much machinima wants to get full use out of it's characters. Heck I'm surprised they didn't resurrect Metroplex & Trypticon for no good reason at the end of TR. IRL I know Michael Dorn is not attached to this project, so Fort Max will most likely not be in it (unless his voice was recast?), but...you would think an active Titan could be pretty useful against any threat that's not a Prime.

Heh, with as much ease as they killed three combiners, maybe Overlord and Rodimus Cron killed him too offscreen.

[ZeroWolf]

Actually I may have missed it but have they said if this follows on straight after Titan Returns or is there some time? I mean have they left Prime's body there for someone else to clean up?

[Sabrblade]

Actually I may have missed it but have they said if this follows on straight after Titan Returns or is there some time? I mean have they left Prime's body there for someone else to clean up?

It sure feels like it's not too long after.

[Galactic Prime]

I fail to see how anyone cannot grasp the Fact that G1 had some of the best episodes of Transformers ever made.

[o.supreme]

Actually I may have missed it but have they said if this follows on straight after Titan Returns or is there some time? I mean have they left Prime's body there for someone else to clean up?

In the first episode Victorion mentioned something about preparing for Optimus Prime's Funeral. Maybe that's what Fort Max is up to...

*Fort Max in City Mode*, -With chairs set up for the event, and the open casket- 'UHm...I wonder if anybody is coming..."

[ZeroWolf]

Actually I may have missed it but have they said if this follows on straight after Titan Returns or is there some time? I mean have they left Prime's body there for someone else to clean up?

It sure feels like it's not too long after.

This is going to sound like a stretch as we've seen that they can't handle continuity between scenes in one episode, but any lack of continuity in between the last ep of titans return and the first ep of potp could have been solved with just one line of text somewhere on screen...just saying: one week later or the cybertronian equivalent. That's all it would have took.

Edit: Sorry O.S didn't see your post there!

Ah so I did miss something then

[Sabrblade]

Actually I may have missed it but have they said if this follows on straight after Titan Returns or is there some time? I mean have they left Prime's body there for someone else to clean up?

It sure feels like it's not too long after.

This is going to sound like a stretch as we've seen that they can't handle continuity between scenes in one episode, but any lack of continuity in between the last ep of titans return and the first ep of potp could have been solved with just one line of text somewhere on screen...just saying: one week later or the cybertronian equivalent. That's all it would have took.

Like o.supreme said, Victorion mentioned that they ought to be dealing with Optimus Prime's funeral, a complaint that would be most appropriate for her to make towards the start of her group's journey. And Menasor telling Overlord that Megatron said something about heading to the Primal Swamp (where the others are currently still at) sounds like the swamp was the first location the group went to on their journey. Said journey was also just getting started in the last episode of TR, and in the last scene of that episode, we saw Overlord and Rodimus Cron arrive at what looks to be the same place where they are at when they're killing the other three combiners in episode 2 of Potpie.

So, yeah, not much time seems to have passed. Maybe a day or two at the most.

[Ultra Markus]

yeah the 3 Japanese series were fun and cool but it deviated from the American side of the story like an alternate earth like how SG is from another alternate earth

You do know that Japan released The Headmasters before America released The Rebirth, right? Japan's show came first.[/quote]
yeah so, it still doesnt change the fact that its a different story which i was getting at

[Galactic Prime]

yeah the 3 Japanese series were fun and cool but it deviated from the American side of the story like an alternate earth like how SG is from another alternate earth

You do know that Japan released The Headmasters before America released The Rebirth, right? Japan's show came first.
yeah so, it still doesnt change the fact that its a different story which i was getting at

Also doesn't change the fact that Rebirth is better.

[ZeroWolf]

I found the rebirth very lacking, and the whole Daniel/arcee thing which got very weird there. Plus I always thought what the Japanese did with the headmasters made more sense. It would have been interesting to see what they did with the pretenders in the cartoon if rebirth hadn't killed it. Ah well now I can say I have watched something worse than rebirth...this series My apologies to those who like this.

[Skritz]

My apologies to those who like this.

I doubt they exist.

[Ultra Markus]

I found the rebirth very lacking, and the whole Daniel/arcee thing which got very weird there. Plus I always thought what the Japanese did with the headmasters made more sense. It would have been interesting to see what they did with the pretenders in the cartoon if rebirth hadn't killed it. Ah well now I can say I have watched something worse than rebirth...this series My apologies to those who like this.

That whole Daniel/Arcee thing went on in the comics for a while and when Daneiel died it was devastating to Arcee so much that she went into a deep depression for a long time

[Sabrblade]

I found the rebirth very lacking, and the whole Daniel/arcee thing which got very weird there. Plus I always thought what the Japanese did with the headmasters made more sense. It would have been interesting to see what they did with the pretenders in the cartoon if rebirth hadn't killed it. Ah well now I can say I have watched something worse than rebirth...this series My apologies to those who like this.

That whole Daniel/Arcee thing went on in the comics for a while and when Daneiel died it was devastating to Arcee so much that she went into a deep depression for a long time

That was just one single obscure comic issue released years later via BotCon. That doesn't equate to anything that "went on in the comics for a while", especially since, of all the comics produced prior to that point, it was those published by Marvel that were considered the comics for Transformers back then, and neither Arcee nor Daniel even existed in those comics outside of the Marvel adaptation of TFTM (which is out of continuity with the main Marvel comics anyway) and a handful of UK-only issues that were still considered obscure even back then (and in which Arcee and Daniel never even interacted with each other).

And regardless of all of that, that doesn't make the Daniel/Arcee romance plot of The Rebirth any less disturbing.

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[Burn]

HEY! ASSHATS WHO DON'T FOLLOW A STAFF MEMBERS DIRECTIONS!

YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD TWICE NOW TO STAY ON TOPIC, AND THAT TOPIC IS MACHINIMAS POWER OF THE PRIMES CARTOON!

Any further discussion that is NOT related to said topic will be met with warnings.

[ZeroWolf]

If I understand the situation correctly, did hasbro seek out machinima to do these cartoons, who then outsourced the animation duties to Tatsunoko productions? So is this similar to the original g1 then that it's Japan animating American scripts? I'm just trying to figure out how the pipeline of this is working out.

[Ultra Markus]

HEY! ASSHATS WHO DON'T FOLLOW A STAFF MEMBERS DIRECTIONS!

YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD TWICE NOW TO STAY ON TOPIC, AND THAT TOPIC IS MACHINIMAS POWER OF THE PRIMES CARTOON!

Any further discussion that is NOT related to said topic will be met with warnings.

Sorry sir, but you never warned me about anything
And no need to call anybody an asshat

[Burn]

Sorry sir, but you never warned me about anything

Bronzewolf is a staff member who asked TWICE for people to get back on topic before he gave up and reached out to other staff members for help.

As always, if anyone wants to continue this discussion with me, by all means, PM me. Otherwise, how about that poopy Machinima POTP cartoon?

[Sabrblade]

If I understand the situation correctly, did hasbro seek out machinima to do these cartoons, who then outsourced the animation duties to Tatsunoko productions? So is this similar to the original g1 then that it's Japan animating American scripts? I'm just trying to figure out how the pipeline of this is working out.

It seems to me like it was Machinima who reached out to Hasbro about doing a TF cartoon/TF cartoons, who gave Machinima the OK to do so so long as they were based on the Prime Wars Trilogy toylines' lore, with Machinima then outsourcing the animation to Tatsunoko Production to animate the American scripts, only with Machinima putting in the barest minimum of effort in their delusions of grandeur to give us their half-baked "Game of Thrones of animation".

[ZeroWolf]

I wonder if they were swayed by the work machinima did for DC on their gods and monsters mini series? Well unless there's glowing reviews elsewhere of these series, I can't see hasbro wanting any more...but I've been (very) wrong before.

[Sabrblade]

I wonder if they were swayed by the work machinima did for DC on their gods and monsters mini series? Well unless there's glowing reviews elsewhere of these series, I can't see hasbro wanting any more...but I've been (very) wrong before.

The thing a lot of people don't realize about the Justice League: Gods and Monsters Chronicles is that Machinima was just the main distributor for that series. The people who actually made it were all people from DC Entertainment, Warner Bros. Animation, and Blue Ribbon Content. Machinima's involvement in that series extended no further than they're being the company who simply got to air it on their YouTube channel before its reaching all other distribution outlets.

[Sabrblade]

Episode 3 - "Without Warning"

Go90 - https://www.go90.com/videos/5A26YMl97NX

Tumblr - https://transformersprimewars.tumblr.com/post/173916103164/transformers-prime-wars-trilogy-s3e3-without

Windblade calls Predaking "scrudsnout"

Why oh why oh WHY can't they just tell Predaking that Megatronus is the one who really has the Enigma? Why do they have to keep letting him go on thinking that one of them has the Enigma?

I spotted at least two typos in the Closed Captions on Go90. First, Victorion's use of the word "perish" (which was definitely used in the context of death) is misspelled as "parish". And later, her calling Volcanicus "the Combiner of Dinobots" is instead parsed as "the Combiner of Dynobots".

Megatronus speaks of Solus Prime in the third-person when speaking to whomever it is he keeps talking to, suggesting that it isn't Solus he's talking to.

I never imagined how silly Mark Hamill could sound in a scene where he's supposed to sound tragically remorseful. Megatronus's initial reaction to Solus's death had me chuckling instead of feeling sad.

The combiners chase after our "heroes" with no signs of their stopping, so the group decides that they need to find a way to turn the two combiners against each other. But then... the two combiners just STOP when everyone else does at the end. WHY do the combiners stop?! They had no reason to! One minute they're single-mindedly in pursuit of the others, then everyone sees Megatron and the combiners just decide to stop and wait around with the others while Megs goes into that tunnel. Volcanicus already made it clear that he hates Megatron, and Predaking has given zero indication of having ever been familiar with Megatron, so there's is NO reason for those two to suddenly switch from hostile to docile like that!

GAH, this show is stupid!

[Qwan]

If you're moving in slow motion you can't talk in real time

Sigh. There were even a couple things I almost liked in this episode too - I think Perceptor made some kind of partly-funny joke, though I can't remember it now, five minutes later - but it's just. The flashback scene was as awkwardly emotionless as could be expected based on the last one, and I cannot stress enough how weird it is seeing Transformers caress each others' hips in actual canon material. No attempt to explain what Megatron's even doing, or how he knows what to do/how to do it. Having characters ask why Volcanicus is still chasing them instead of trying to fight Predaking, and then not answering it, is not a substitute for an actual reason for that either.

Here's something to note, though: Predaking, I guess, isn't working for Megatronus? If he was, he'd know that they don't have the Enigma - Megatronus does - so I guess he's just working for himself and trying to get it for his own reasons. That, or possibly the writers are incompetent and didn't notice their own glaring inconsistencies. I'd give it about 50/50 odds, no joke.

Welp, let's see if the next one is any better next week...

"Why do you think he keeps watching the episodes, even though he hates them?"
"I don't know, it doesn't make much sense does it? Maybe he's still mad at us, or maybe he's mad at Machinima for writing us so bad."
"Hm, seems like a perfectly reasonable explanation for such a strange action. No further inquiries here."

[Qwan]

It's that time of week again! The third episode of Machinima's Power of the Primes series has appeared online, and is now available for viewing if that's your sort of thing. Check below for the synopsis, and thanks to Seibertronian Sabrblade for the tip!

You can watch this episode through the Go90 app or on their website if you're in the US, or otherwise on the Prime Wars Tumblr page. If you're somehow looking for a recap three episodes in, check out Seibertron's reviews of Episode 1 and Episode 2 by our very own Bronzewolf - the review for this episode should be coming soon, so stay tuned for that, too!

Still without Megatron, the team must now fend off both Volcanicus and Predaking. Meanwhile, Megatronus arrives at the Well of Sparks to forge a new device that will help him accomplish his nefarious plan.