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[Ultra Markus]

I think it could have been better. Some of the action was really good but I wish they would take out some of the awkward anime grunts and close ups.

I wonder if Victorion will get her arm back at some point. I don't even remember how she lost it at this point.

i doubt it, they will kill her off too, they will probably all die before megatron decides to throw his weight around killing overlord then he becomes unricons new minion GALVATRON!

[william-james88]

How tall is this **** grass!!!?!?!???!!

[Bronzewolf]

How tall is this **** grass!!!?!?!???!!

[william-james88]

How tall is this **** grass!!!?!?!???!!

Haha, this grass is at least what, like 100 times that tall.

Which is nonsense and is the worst setting they could have for giant robots. Its dumb, plain and simple. Also, its lazy. They could have had trees or detailed vegetation but they couldnt afford that, so long strands of tall grass it is.

[Flashwave]

In particular, how come Devastator can get a hole blown through his chest and be basically fine, but when the same happened to Optimus he was dead before he hit the ground? Consistency is not this show's strong suit, obviously, but like... of course the moment they decide to show characters actually getting physically damaged, it raises even more continuity questions. This show just can't catch a break.

Not to defend this show or anything, cause it’s... not good, but You’re talking about a Combiner vs. a singular bot. Optimus Prime catches a blast through his chest and its fatal, because for lack of a better word, he only has one chest. Devastator’s “chest” is made up of 2 separate bots, and there are 6 sparks with six “brains” in there as well. Even if someone were to greviously wound Long Haul himself, there’s still a bunch of Constructicons in there, plenty of processing power for the whole, so long as Long Haul isn’t bleeding like a sieve or the damage is so great it hampers leg movement. Does that make sense?

Admittedly, a single shot killedCOmputron as well, and that makes Devy’s surviving less obvious, although one *might* argue that because of the way they combine, Computron’s one bot torso vs. Devy’s 2 bot torso there’s fewer redundancies.

[Ultra Markus]

In particular, how come Devastator can get a hole blown through his chest and be basically fine, but when the same happened to Optimus he was dead before he hit the ground? Consistency is not this show's strong suit, obviously, but like... of course the moment they decide to show characters actually getting physically damaged, it raises even more continuity questions. This show just can't catch a break.

Not to defend this show or anything, cause it’s... not good, but You’re talking about a Combiner vs. a singular bot. Optimus Prime catches a blast through his chest and its fatal, because for lack of a better word, he only has one chest. Devastator’s “chest” is made up of 2 separate bots, and there are 6 sparks with six “brains” in there as well. Even if someone were to greviously wound Long Haul himself, there’s still a bunch of Constructicons in there, plenty of processing power for the whole, so long as Long Haul isn’t bleeding like a sieve or the damage is so great it hampers leg movement. Does that make sense?

Admittedly, a single shot killedCOmputron as well, and that makes Devy’s surviving less obvious, although one *might* argue that because of the way they combine, Computron’s one bot torso vs. Devy’s 2 bot torso there’s fewer redundancies.

what i find odd is that devastator could have separated and fled but acted as though they were stuck combined and in the titan wars we clearly see longhaul seperate from the rest
it kind of bothers me that we have combiners that dont do their combining

[Sabrblade]

How tall is this **** grass!!!?!?!???!!

Haha, this grass is at least what, like 100 times that tall.

Which is nonsense and is the worst setting they could have for giant robots. Its dumb, plain and simple. Also, its lazy. They could have had trees or detailed vegetation but they couldnt afford that, so long strands of tall grass it is.

Not to defend this show for its choices, but why should alien/Cybertronian flora look exactly like Earthen flora? Why couldn't Cybertron's equivalent of trees look to our Earthen eyes instead like giant tubes of grass? These are alien plants, after all. There are no rules saying that all plant life in the universe has to have the same biological characteristics that make Earth's plants look the way they look.

Besides, the tall grass-like swamp flora of these episodes reminds me of when I used to play with my toys in the unmowed grass outside in the front yard, pretending that they were having adventures in a jungle.

[o.supreme]

I'd pay real money if someone dubbed this Audio over Volcanicus *searching* for the Autobots

[Rodimus Knight]

I'd pay real money if someone dubbed this Audio over Volcanicus *searching* for the Autobots

That would be a kind of awesome...

So the original scale shown for Volcanicus in this, again bring back all the disappointment at the Dinobot Combiner being done at Deluxe Sizes. HE would have been so much more Badass does in Voyager class.

As someone else noted, I don't understand why the Combiners stay together like they do. Separating and attacked en mass from different angles would have made so much more sense. Then there is the combining with each other as a limb or torso gets destroyed.

And where those ball of light supposed to be the Combiner's spark? IF so it seems to go back to the idea that the combiner is the true robot and the separate parts are just drones. Of course thew you get to the Dinobot combiner, who have been shown not to be drones, but then their combiner mode is dumber then the writers of this series.

[DarkEnergon]

So frustrating - so much activity that adds up to nothing.

I love the art and designs, but the animation and fights seem so slow and silly. I even like some of the humor and characterizations, but I mean nothing adds up. Some guys have really strong lasers, some don't? If I'm a combiner and I'm being pinned by the head, I'd be inclined to uncombine...

And I need to back in this thread, because I still don't even grasp what is going on with Megatronus and Starscream and Overlord and Solus Prime.

[Galactic Prime]

This show is as F'ing terrible as the last two were. It's almost as if Hasbro's right hand said to these giant a$$clowns, here take G1 characters, and make a show, the fans have been crying for one for the last 2 decades, but make it really F'ing crappy so they learn never to ask for one again.

But then Hasbro's left hand goes and gives us all these kick a$$ G1 update toys.

F'ing morons.

[ZeroWolf]

I can live with them not acting like the g1 versions as that would be boring but this...this doesn't work but I get the feeling that hasbro probably already signed off on what's to follow and so, has lost any sense of concern that this series does well. I mean will they really contract these people to do a war for cybertron series for next year? I know hasbro is more pumped for the cyberverse show as that's geared towards the traditional market but I think there's space for three TF shows if done right. Or they could do what DC have been doing for years and do direct to DVD features based around different stories pulled from across the different universes. They could call it Transformers Multiverse and have stories based on classic g1 strips, updates of classic g1 episodes with much better animation and scripting. These scope there but alas, I think money issues would sink it...hence why we've got these in the first place

[Galactic Prime]

I can live with them not acting like the g1 versions as that would be boring but this...this doesn't work but I get the feeling that hasbro probably already signed off on what's to follow and so, has lost any sense of concern that this series does well. I mean will they really contract these people to do a war for cybertron series for next year? I know hasbro is more pumped for the cyberverse show as that's geared towards the traditional market but I think there's space for three TF shows if done right. Or they could do what DC have been doing for years and do direct to DVD features based around different stories pulled from across the different universes. They could call it Transformers Multiverse and have stories based on classic g1 strips, updates of classic g1 episodes with much better animation and scripting. These scope there but alas, I think money issues would sink it...hence why we've got these in the first place

I never said anything about them acting like the G1 characters, although that would be a HUGE improvement.

[ZeroWolf]

Nah, the only place they should act like their g1 selves is in the g1 toon, that's all. I mean they had a good thing going in Titan Returns with Megatron being a good sarcastic shade of grey, but here they wasted it. How many eps is this supposed to be again?

Right now I'm betting that Primal will show up, merge his spark that of Optimus Prime (achieving a nod to the beast wars show) to achieve hos optimal Optimus form before laying waste to the bad guys with a macguffin of some sort.

[Ultra Markus]

Nah, the only place they should act like their g1 selves is in the g1 toon, that's all. I mean they had a good thing going in Titan Returns with Megatron being a good sarcastic shade of grey, but here they wasted it. How many eps is this supposed to be again?

Right now I'm betting that Primal will show up, merge his spark that of Optimus Prime (achieving a nod to the beast wars show) to achieve hos optimal Optimus form before laying waste to the bad guys with a macguffin of some sort.

i kind of would rather have them do a continuation from rebirth and have it lead into where they are now but then that would mean no megatron

[o.supreme]

I can live with them not acting like the g1 versions as that would be boring

You might think it would be boring, and that's all well and good, but trust me. Tons of fans of the original animated series, including myself, wish for the day the original animated series continuity will be returned to in some form. It would be no doubt, the most popular animated entry since TF Prime, and BW before that.

Or they could do what DC have been doing for years and do direct to DVD features based around different stories pulled from across the different universes.

Now this I agree with, and have been asking for it for years. DC has done more than 30 animated films in the past 10 years. Some are great, some mediocre, and some downright awful, but I'm still glad they exist. Prior to recent events, naysayers would always tell me it was "too expensive" to produce direct to home media films from Hasbro, but after the recent acquisition of Saban, and what they paid, they literally could have made at least 15 animated films with that amount of money. Getting just 2 films per year that focus on different continuities in the TF Multiverse would be amazing, I'd be all for it.

[Galactic Prime]

Transformers hasn't been truly great on TV since Prime and Animated and before that G1. Everything else is pretty much filth. Although Rescue Bots is a cute show for little kids

[Skritz]

I'm sure there are complicated and messy marketing-related reasons as to why Hasbro, in spite of living off pandering to all the MUH GEEWUN fanboys has never tried to produce anything which is set within the G1 continuity. One of which, I suspect, is fairly simple: the G1 universe quote-unquote everyone remember is a thirty plus years old mess of godawful animation and incoherent storytelling which is propped up as the pinnacle of the franchise purely on the basis of grumpy nostalgia.

So what about a reboot which use G1 design and focus primarily on a cast of G1 characters? Well, this is what the Prime Wars trilogy has done...in theory. It's also what Dreamwave and IDW Transformers comics started off as so one could argue its entirely doable. However one could argue that this still, very technically speaking, is not truly Generation 1: merely a reboot which keep to the spirit and art style of it much closer than other reboots such as RiD 2001, the Unicron Trilogy or any other new universe we've seen the last decades. In truth, the Prime Wars cartoon nor IDW are truly 'Generation 1'. The closest thing I can say is a true to form G1 revival would be Regeneration One which continued and finish the old Marvel comic continuity.

Okay so maybe this is all semantics and when Geewunners whine they want G1 back, really, all they want are the designs, personality and cast of the original '84 and '85 crew. Fair enough, I suppose. Perhaps, really, what you guys want is a take on the story which take the least 'creative liberties' and return to presenting these characters with a style more fitting of either G1 toon, comics and/or the old toy bio. That's fine. The question is, after YEARS AND YEARS of 'nostalgic toyline' and pandering...why doesn't Hasbro do it?

My guess is, well, to be honest I got no goddamn clue why. Perhaps, simply, the execs and suits at Hasbro think that the brand still using names like 'Optimus Prime' and 'Megatron' count as nostalgic enough that, to them, there isn't much of a need to give the fandom their precious GEEWUN. Perhaps they prefer the nostalgic stuff to be more confined to side products such as comics and auxillary toylines like Generations. Or perhaps they fear that, by marketing a show as 'G1' they worry the little kiddies will look at it and go 'ew, Old Transformers, lame!'. Perhaps they worry it would not be very approachable to newcomers.

Who knows for sure. For all we know, the Prime Wars web series and Transformers Devastation were the testing ground for a more 'proper' Generation 1 revival and one which simply ended up flopping like a dying fish due to mishandling.

[Sabrblade]

I mean, it's not like the G1 cartoon didn't already get ninety-doggone-eight episodes to begin with.

Plus a full bonus season of "best of" episodes.

Plus THREE additional full-length sequel series from Japan.

Man, some G1 cartoon fans really have no idea how spoiled they've been by the stuff that's already been made for them.

[Skritz]

I mean, it's not like the G1 cartoon didn't already get ninety-doggone-eight episodes to begin with.

Plus a full bonus season of "best of" episodes.

Plus THREE additional full-length sequel series from Japan.

Man, some G1 cartoon fans really have no idea how spoiled they've been by the stuff that's already been made for them.

Don't you know? Transformers has been ruined forever and dead ever since it went off the air.

[o.supreme]

I mean, it's not like the G1 cartoon didn't already get ninety-doggone-eight episodes to begin with.

But as you so famously point out, Rescue Bots got 104

Plus a full bonus season of "best of" episodes.

All re-runs, so those don't count, you might as well throw in G2 if that's the point you are trying to make

Plus THREE additional full-length sequel series from Japan.

You know of anyone here, how much I really enjoy the Japanese shows. For *ME*, I truly do see them as seasons 5-7 of the original show, especially since I've known about them all along, it wasn't something I just discovered much later (Thanks to a Japanese exchange student in my class in 1988). But most fans don't see it that way, they simply see them as this quirky little *other* thing that mostly gets ignored.

Man, some G1 cartoon fans really have no idea how spoiled they've been by the stuff that's already been made for them.

I'll go back and make the same comparison I've made Ad nauseam. In japan the Mobile Suit Gundam Frnchise had a tight singular continuity spanning several series and movies until 1994. Mobile Fighter G Gundam was the first departure from this, and established a multi-universal Gundam continuity. From this point on, several new continuities were established, but the original "UC" (Universal Century) timeline is still returned to every so often, and those series/films are highly acclaimed.

With Transformers its a bit different, but if you include BW & BM (and BWII/Neo in Japan), which were later folded to be in each countries respective original continuity, things all existed in the same universe until 2000. Car Robots (RiD), was the first departure from this, and established, in TF animation, a multi-universal Transformers continuity. Now since then, many other continuities have been established, but not ONCE has an attempt been made to return to the original series timeline, which was left open ended (Like the UC Gundam timeline). Most other TF continuities have had full resolution, which is why the desire to return to the original burns so strong in me. Not IDW, nor Machinima's cut-rate series even come close. The closest things we've had was the Devastation Video game (which was brilliant). I'm not saying we need to return to it always and forever, but just something, anything. It works well in Japan. Kids who weren't even alive 30-40 years ago don't lament when a new chapter in the UC series is added. Nor should anyone frown on a return to the original TF continuity. There will always be plenty of new adventures (The Movie Franchise, comics, Cyberverse etc...) to captivate and reel in new interest. All I'm saying is, throw us life-long fans an appreciative (in the form of animation specifically, not talking toys or comics) bone somewhere.

[o.supreme]

Now the actual reason why I came here this morning . I tortured myself yesterday and went back and watched the last episode of TR to make sure I wasn't missing something. So....Where's Fort Max? He was alive and well, and we all know how much machinima wants to get full use out of it's characters. Heck I'm surprised they didn't resurrect Metroplex & Trypticon for no good reason at the end of TR. IRL I know Michael Dorn is not attached to this project, so Fort Max will most likely not be in it (unless his voice was recast?), but...you would think an active Titan could be pretty useful against any threat that's not a Prime.

[Sigma Magnus]

I'll go back and make the same comparison I've made Ad nauseam. In japan the Mobile Suit Gundam Frnchise had a tight singular continuity spanning several series and movies until 1994. Mobile Fighter G Gundam was the first departure from this, and established a multi-universal Gundam continuity. From this point on, several new continuities were established, but the original "UC" (Universal Century) timeline is still returned to every so often, and those series/films are highly acclaimed.

This is a pretty good point, but I feel that there's one important difference between Transformers and Gundam that could throw a wrench in things.

Almost all Transformers series have the same basic core cast and premise. Prime, Megatron, Bumblebee, Starscream, etc; and a civil war between Autobots and Decepticons on Earth after Cybertron was abandoned. There is some variance between shows, but most more or less share this core aspect. Gundam, however, does things differently. Gundam shows often have a lot of differences from one another, in both their premise and their characters. Almost every Gundam series features different protagonists with different mobile suits, different reasons and motivations for conflict, and so on. Even within just the Universal Century timeline, the various series rarely tread the same ground. Transformers, however, treads the same ground almost by default. Something like the progression of G1, to Headmasters, to Masterforce, to Victory, and so on is the exception rather than the rule.

[Bronzewolf]

Tapping this thread slightly back on topic. I get everyone's point (I also get how it relates to this show) but we can't have massive multi-paragraph comments that for the most part aren't on topic. I appreciate the discourse, though.

[Ultra Markus]

I mean, it's not like the G1 cartoon didn't already get ninety-doggone-eight episodes to begin with.

But as you so famously point out, Rescue Bots got 104

Plus a full bonus season of "best of" episodes.

All re-runs, so those don't count, you might as well throw in G2 if that's the point you are trying to make

Plus THREE additional full-length sequel series from Japan.

You know of anyone here, how much I really enjoy the Japanese shows. For *ME*, I truly do see them as seasons 5-7 of the original show, especially since I've known about them all along, it wasn't something I just discovered much later (Thanks to a Japanese exchange student in my class in 1988). But most fans don't see it that way, they simply see them as this quirky little *other* thing that mostly gets ignored.

Man, some G1 cartoon fans really have no idea how spoiled they've been by the stuff that's already been made for them.

I'll go back and make the same comparison I've made Ad nauseam. In japan the Mobile Suit Gundam Frnchise had a tight singular continuity spanning several series and movies until 1994. Mobile Fighter G Gundam was the first departure from this, and established a multi-universal Gundam continuity. From this point on, several new continuities were established, but the original "UC" (Universal Century) timeline is still returned to every so often, and those series/films are highly acclaimed.

With Transformers its a bit different, but if you include BW & BM (and BWII/Neo in Japan), which were later folded to be in each countries respective original continuity, things all existed in the same universe until 2000. Car Robots (RiD), was the first departure from this, and established, in TF animation, a multi-universal Transformers continuity. Now since then, many other continuities have been established, but not ONCE has an attempt been made to return to the original series timeline, which was left open ended (Like the UC Gundam timeline). Most other TF continuities have had full resolution, which is why the desire to return to the original burns so strong in me. Not IDW, nor Machinima's cut-rate series even come close. The closest things we've had was the Devastation Video game (which was brilliant). I'm not saying we need to return to it always and forever, but just something, anything. It works well in Japan. Kids who weren't even alive 30-40 years ago don't lament when a new chapter in the UC series is added. Nor should anyone frown on a return to the original TF continuity. There will always be plenty of new adventures (The Movie Franchise, comics, Cyberverse etc...) to captivate and reel in new interest. All I'm saying is, throw us life-long fans an appreciative (in the form of animation specifically, not talking toys or comics) bone somewhere.

I totally get you there to me its like the g1 series was left open and unfinished all I would like to see is some closure with some high quality animation and story telling yeah the 3 Japanese series were fun and cool but it deviated from the American side of the story like an alternate earth like how SG is from another alternate earth
I would just like the original g1 to be complete and finished