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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue May 29, 2018 9:36 pm

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:He has killed 3 combiners people, very few have ever held that title (I think the Beast and Thunder Mayhem are the only others with that title).
While not three, Windblade slaughtered Menasor singlehandedly like he was nothing way back in episode 1 of Combiner Wars.



Coptur wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Coptur wrote:
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Coptur wrote:Choking in transformers has always been a thing.

They aren't just robots they are living beings.
...Who can also survive in the oxygen-less vacuum of space.


That's right they can but they don't breath and don't require oxygen :-P
And yet they gag, cough, and sound hoarse when they're choked. Even when in space. 8-}


well if your throat has been crushed you'd sound different...imagine if it was made out of metal ;) LOL

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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Tue May 29, 2018 10:00 pm

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This episode was better than the usual, meaning I didnt hate it. But there aint much there. What didnt get was how ripping off a combiner head killed the entire combiner. I mean, the individuals are still there and can function without a leader on their own (like the Dinobots do).

And good point about Megatron going throgh deep space but freezing on earth, I never thought of it, thats freaken hilarious!
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Burn » Tue May 29, 2018 10:08 pm

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william-james88 wrote:What didnt get was how ripping off a combiner head killed the entire combiner.

Shock to the system.

What I don't get is how Evil Rodimus can one punch kill a Dinobot but just follows The Colonel blindly. Seriously, turn on him already.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue May 29, 2018 10:12 pm

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william-james88 wrote:What didnt get was how ripping off a combiner head killed the entire combiner.

Shock to the system.

What I don't get is how Evil Rodimus can one punch kill a Dinobot but just follows The Colonel blindly. Seriously, turn on him already.
Lack of leadership ambition, I guess.

Some people just rather follow than lead, preferring to not carry the responsibilities and expectations that come with positions of authority.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Coptur » Wed May 30, 2018 7:48 am

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:He has killed 3 combiners people, very few have ever held that title (I think the Beast and Thunder Mayhem are the only others with that title).
While not three, Windblade slaughtered Menasor singlehandedly like he was nothing way back in episode 1 of Combiner Wars.



Coptur wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Coptur wrote:
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Coptur wrote:Choking in transformers has always been a thing.

They aren't just robots they are living beings.
...Who can also survive in the oxygen-less vacuum of space.


That's right they can but they don't breath and don't require oxygen :-P
And yet they gag, cough, and sound hoarse when they're choked. Even when in space. 8-}


well if your throat has been crushed you'd sound different...imagine if it was made out of metal ;) LOL

ever paid out for panel beaters and stuff is expensive :lol:
That's only if breathing is factored into the equation, though.


mmm.. the vocal processors could be located within the neck of transformers and any impact or constriction to that area could cause damage thus giving the impression of what we as breathing organic beings see as choking.

As air can't be stopped as they don't breath like humans one can only assume that other information is being stopped(or dramatically reduced) between the two vital (techno)organs.

Once choking had been stopped/prevented either the spark or brain information would then cause a sudden surge of fluids/information releasing it to the other vital component causing what we as organics could only understand as gasping for air.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed May 30, 2018 8:29 am

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I feel like you may be putting more thought into this the original creators did. I'd still argue that the animators put it in as they thought it was a powerful visual and there was 0 story reasons behind it
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Galactic Prime » Wed May 30, 2018 8:34 am

This entire show has been a colossal failure from beginning to end, and that includes Combiner Wars and Titan's Return.

Even the crap that was Beast Machines, RiD 2000, and the Unicron Trilogy are bitter than this garbage. It literally has ZERO redeeming qualities. None.

The animation is crap, the story is crap, the voice acting is terrible, the dialogue is atrocious.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Coptur » Wed May 30, 2018 8:56 am

ZeroWolf wrote:I feel like you may be putting more thought into this the original creators did. I'd still argue that the animators put it in as they thought it was a powerful visual and there was 0 story reasons behind it


i don't and won't doubt that :lol:

I didn't like the seeing the Dinobots put up no fight and then just get completely rolled over... :-( :-x
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Wed May 30, 2018 9:12 am

Galactic Prime wrote:This entire show has been a colossal failure from beginning to end, and that includes Combiner Wars and Titan's Return.

Even the crap that was Beast Machines, RiD 2000, and the Unicron Trilogy are bitter than this garbage. It literally has ZERO redeeming qualities. None.

The animation is crap, the story is crap, the voice acting is terrible, the dialogue is atrocious.


Don't even dare compare Beast Machine to this mess: sure it was a stupid, preachy and nonsensical show. Sure it ruined the character of just about every Beast Wars survivor safe maybe Cheetor and sure the design were atrociously weird but at least, dear **** Primus, it at least tried to be something. >:oP
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Wed May 30, 2018 9:41 am

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Although this "show" (I use the term loosely) has 6 episodes left. I think the best thing we as fans can do is, after its all said and done, do as little as possible to even acknowledge it , which I don't think will be a problem for most. I mean, my criteria may be a bit flawed/biased but in my mind, to date there have been 16 Transformers Animated Series. In Chronological order they would be:

1. The Transformers
2. Transformers: The Headmasters
3. Transformers: Super-God Masterforce
4. Transformers Victory
5. Beast Wars Transformers
6. Beast Wars II
7. Beast Wars Neo
8. Beast Machines Transformers
9. Transformers: Robots In Disguise
10. Transformers Armada
11. Transformers Energon
12. Transformers Cybertron
13. Transformers Animated
14. Transformers Prime
15. Transformers Rescue Bots &
16. Transformers Robots In Disguise (2015)

Transformers Cyberverse (for good or ill, yet to be determined) will be the 17th series. For single episodes, I include Scramble City as part of the original series, and Zone as part of Victory (just my thinking).

Then, there is *everything else*, oddball animation, not really worthy of being called a full series, and should only be compared to each other:

1.Robot Masters
2.Transformers:Universe
3.Transformers: Beginnings
4.Transformers: Cyber Missions
5.Transformers GO!

If we want to compare/contrast the quality of Machinima’s Prime Wars Trilogy, it should be against these type entries. Which, also by comparison, receive very little recollection, or recognition or are subjects of conversation since their passing. The Prime Wars Trilogy (In my mind), is the 6th (or 6-8th, I have yet to make a final determination) entry in this odd little subset of Transformers animated media.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Wed May 30, 2018 9:54 am

I'm sure the only reason we talk about it is that it's ongoing AND because, unlike these previous 'not-quite-a-series' show these aren't some Japan-only obscure thing you need to hunt down. Fortunately I suspect the show will eventually just fade from memory safe as a punchline to jokes.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed May 30, 2018 10:10 am

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Skritz wrote:I'm sure the only reason we talk about it is that it's ongoing AND because, unlike these previous 'not-quite-a-series' show these aren't some Japan-only obscure thing you need to hunt down. Fortunately I suspect the show will eventually just fade from memory safe as a punchline to jokes.

Plus its taking on a format that has evolved. A lot of people's primary entertainment has moved from television to their computers/phones/tablets where youtubers can now be as (in)famous as Johnny Depp. Plus, it has posters, interviews, comemrcials, all the things you associate to something moer prime time. So while I partly agree that its not fair to compare it to previous cartoons shown on television, I do see it as an attempt to bring a cartoon on a different platform where eventually we will have a show we can completely compare to cartoons of the past.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Wed May 30, 2018 10:27 am

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I do agree the lines between media on the Internet, and on TV (and home video) are going to get more blurred as time goes on. Cybermissions and RB Academy are really going to be challenging for me. Not only because They really might not offer anything in the way of entertainment value for a fan such as myself, but because they are 11 minute episodes (essentially the same as these Machinima series we are watching now). In times past, the 11 minute episodes have been released in pairs, to at least fill a 30 minute cable or network time slot (commercials included), but I know CN, which I have hated for many years, is going for more of a 2x15 or 4x15 feel. So you could conceivably get 4 completely different shows in 1 hour of time (although since half of their programming day is Teen Titans Go! :SICK: ....it seems superfluous to me)...but...the precedent is there, and more shows seem to be following it. Sad to say...
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Wed May 30, 2018 11:43 am

william-james88 wrote:
Skritz wrote:I'm sure the only reason we talk about it is that it's ongoing AND because, unlike these previous 'not-quite-a-series' show these aren't some Japan-only obscure thing you need to hunt down. Fortunately I suspect the show will eventually just fade from memory safe as a punchline to jokes.

Plus its taking on a format that has evolved. A lot of people's primary entertainment has moved from television to their computers/phones/tablets where youtubers can now be as (in)famous as Johnny Depp. Plus, it has posters, interviews, comemrcials, all the things you associate to something moer prime time. So while I partly agree that its not fair to compare it to previous cartoons shown on television, I do see it as an attempt to bring a cartoon on a different platform where eventually we will have a show we can completely compare to cartoons of the past.


I don't think what Machinima tried to do was inherently a bad idea. If anything, it was a good idea. Unfortunately it seem no one on that team had a clue of wtf they were doing, resulting in an hilariously bad serie with terrible production value. Not only that but trying to ever-so-loosely adapt the Prime Wars trilogy and its many gimmicks (combiners, titan masters and inclusion of the Primes) was something utterly impossible to do with shoestring budget and an incompetent team.

In may ways, these Machinima show are the opposite of Beast Wars. Where BW was extremely limited in its time (especially compared to the G1 cartoon) the creators knew how to work around these limits. Can't animate anything too complex? Set the show in empty wilderness without humans and their cities. Can't animate or use too many characters from the toyline? Focus on a smaller cast and develop it well. The Prime Wars cartoon clearly did not take the time to look at what they COULD do and just did whatever they wanted, resulting in a sloppy show with terrible writing, pacing and...just about everything else. This is not a format which lend itself to massive, epic-scale stories.

They should have done a show with a smaller scope and written a plot around these limitations.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed May 30, 2018 11:54 am

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I think I could have developed a better storyline for three shows based around prime wars buy the limits on episode length and animation budget was a likely factor in what they tried to do and the end result. Here's the rub though was the animation style we got the best choice? Was it the cheapest? Or were they trying to look flashy? Maybe if they had gone 2d they could have accomplished more, unless they thought that fans would cry havoc over it not being in 3d.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Wed May 30, 2018 12:03 pm

3D animation is getting cheaper and while budget may excuse the show's limited animation it doesn't explain why the writing is so bad on every level.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Wed May 30, 2018 12:05 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:unless they thought that fans would cry havoc over it not being in 3d.


Maybe...I don't know. For what it's worth, I was really high on the concept initially. When you freeze frame some of the backgrounds, they actually do look really nice. Well they did in CW & TR. In PotP, we've just had swamp grass...but...

The last 2D TF animated series we had was...well... Animated (oddly enough), that ended almost a decade ago. Prime was pretty epic, but trying to do a movie sized story on a TV budget ultimately killed it, and RiD was just a "flashy" afterthought, that will ultimately be forgettable. I'd like things to go back to basic design, with basic 2D animation. Not CG, not Flash, not cell shaded or anything like that, just digital ink and paint, since hand drawn cells is a lost art.

I don't know because my kids have been raised on what I like, but are most kids these days so shallow that they would automatically dismiss a show if it was *traditional* animation, as opposed to all the alternatives?
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Wed May 30, 2018 12:10 pm

The struggles of Transformers as a brand today have more to do with animation cost: action and story-driven shows are less and less popular with networks that play cartoons who prefer episodic 'comedy' shows. That and Transformers exist to advertise toys, which are less and less popular with the 'born-with-a-smartphone' generations.
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Postby o.supreme » Wed May 30, 2018 12:26 pm

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Skritz wrote:action and story-driven shows are less and less popular with networks that play cartoons who prefer episodic 'comedy' shows. That and Transformers exist to advertise toys, which are less and less popular with the 'born-with-a-smartphone' generations.


All true points, and that makes me sad. On the Toys that Made us episode featuring Masters of the Universe, and they focused for a moment on the sheer beauty that was the 2002/03 animated series, and you could see the one producer almost cry when he said...."But it wasn't what kids wanted" (they didn't want an action based show, and the toys didn't sell well as a result)THAT is a darn shame. I know it to be true, but as a result we get the amazing 2011 Thunder cats canceled after 1 season and a vomit-educing *thing* (I cant even call it a series) that is supposed to be a new iteration of Thundercats coming soon.

I mean, I know Hasbro tried to throw us *adult fans* a bone with this Prime Wars Trilogy. Unfortunately it had rancid meat on it. If Hasbro however decides that the ony alternative is cute, SD, comedy with our Robots in Disguise, I guess I just have no place left in this fandom. :(
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed May 30, 2018 12:37 pm

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Skritz wrote:action and story-driven shows are less and less popular with networks that play cartoons who prefer episodic 'comedy' shows. That and Transformers exist to advertise toys, which are less and less popular with the 'born-with-a-smartphone' generations.


All true points, and that makes me sad. On the Toys that Made us episode featuring Masters of the Universe, and they focused for a moment on the sheer beauty that was the 2002/03 animated series, and you could see the one producer almost cry when he said...."But it wasn't what kids wanted" (they didn't want an action based show, and the toys didn't sell well as a result)THAT is a darn shame. I know it to be true, but as a result we get the amazing 2011 Thunder cats canceled after 1 season and a vomit-educing *thing* (I cant even call it a series) that is supposed to be a new iteration of Thundercats coming soon.

I mean, I know Hasbro tried to throw us *adult fans* a bone with this Prime Wars Trilogy. Unfortunately it had rancid meat on it. If Hasbro however decides that the ony alternative is cute, SD, comedy with our Robots in Disguise, I guess I just have no place left in this fandom. :(

Again, all good points. We can only hope something changes in the minds of kids and they start favouring action cartoons again bit the times are changing so fast now, I see it myself when I look at what my two kids are leaning towards. I just tell myself that I would be no different to them had I been born in this era :-(

Also you would always have a place in the fandom as we can all grow old together remembering the good old days when the franchises biggest problems was trying to figure out if Frenzy was the Red or blue one. Besides, besides, any kids coming into the franchise will need the older folk to help them to understand why we went from beast machines to unicron trilogy.
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Postby o.supreme » Wed May 30, 2018 1:43 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:. I just tell myself that I would be no different to them had I been born in this era :-(


You see I know I would be different. In the late 70's/early 80's there was an embargo of sorts against showing violence on kids cartoons. Now while a lot of those Hanna-Barbara toons of the time, and their kin , I can rightfully say were hilariously *Bad*, as in, not entertaining, I don't really find them offensive, as I do some of the shows of today. Still while my friends were watching Wacky Races, the Harlem-Globetrotters in Space, and Scooby-Doo, I was watching Star Blazers and Battle of the Planets so... :???:
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Wed May 30, 2018 1:47 pm

Something I wonder for this shitfest of a show: given they introduced Optimus Primal, will they A) show him somehow getting the Matrix given the toyline and fan-vote made him the 'New Prime' and B) will they show his Optimal Optimus form? I admit, there's a bit of a bile fascination here to see how badly they'll screw up Optimus Primal, given I grew up with Beast Wars and his upgrade to his Optimal form, while certainly cheesy, was kind of a high point for Beast Wars as a whole given it happened due to him risking his own life to temporarily become the vessel of Optimus Prime's spark.

Sure, he was always getting written out of fight due to how big and powerful a form it was, but it was always an impressive power up to look at given how it towered over every Maximal and Predacon and had quad-changer abilities. Now granted, his new toy lack the ground vehicle mode but he does regain the 'surf monkey' form, which is neat.

Or maybe I just want to see this form again because I'm quite nostalgic about it and its kickass toy.
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Transformers Podcast: Twincast / Podcast #346 - Gas Station Jamboree
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