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Yeah, he could have done a lot more, but instead they had this ridiculous notion that CW was well received so they upped the ante for TR.

I know a lot of fanboys are pissing their pants in excitement over Cullen being Prime again for it, but come on ... they had a guy doing a good voice, they could have given him another go instead of chucking him aside and throwing more cash around for a bigger name(s).

Burn wrote:Yeah, he could have done a lot more, but instead they had this ridiculous notion that CW was well received so they upped the ante for TR.

I know a lot of fanboys are pissing their pants in excitement over Cullen being Prime again for it, but come on ... they had a guy doing a good voice, they could have given him another go instead of chucking him aside and throwing more cash around for a bigger name(s).

Oh, definitely. I wouldn't have minded Jon getting another go-round at Optimus in TR. He does a good Optimus and should get more opportunities to use it officially and to its full extent, beyond both Machinima's CW cartoon and Fun Pub's TransTech fiction.

Sabrblade wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:whoa...I was excited..Yes I live under a rock..

I may get some of the figures, I just didn't know about this cartoon or the previous one, combiner wars because I was only focusing on 3rd party news and TLK stuff.. this story sure got my attention, I must have misread thru fanboy-colored goggles..

Yeah, Combiner Wars turned out to be one of the worst Transformers cartoons we've ever gotten, with Megatron, as I mentioned, being the sole enjoyable aspect about it, as he was awesome and hilarious with his being all snarky and sarcastic to everyone.

We've so far been hoping that this sequel show, Titans Return, will be an improvement, but aside from the inclusion of some television actors (albeit, rather bizarrely-chosen ones) and the longer running time, there doesn't seem to be that much about it that looks all that better than the first show.

After all, the first show was advertised as being the "Game of Thrones of animation", and yet it turned out to be as bad as Transformers: Energon. So aside from a return of Jason Marnocha's Megatron, there doesn't look to be all that much to look forward to thus far in the new show.

How dare you trample on nostalgic feelz! Combiner Wars was the best cartoon because it was awesome and looked like the eighties characters! And had fi- Hahahahahahahahahahahahhaha.

*deep breath*

And had awesome fight sc- Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I'm sorry, I can't even...

skywarp-2 wrote: Now we get an addition to G-1 canon this time with the original voice cast members available, namely Cullen and Welker! Judd Nelson!

whoa whoa whoa....lets not say things we cant take back. Just to be clear Machinima's series is not an official continuation of the original animated series. Like IDW (and like JJ's Star Trek), CW & TR just use characters from the original series, but it is its own thing....Just want to be clear on that

Sabrblade wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:HOLY CRAPOLA!! THIS IS HUGE NEWS! THIS IS AS BIG AS THE CANON TIE IN BEAST WARS TO G-1! Now we get an addition to G-1 canon this time with the original voice cast members available, namely Cullen and Welker! wow....

This is literally the biggest news that I have ever heard!

Just when I thought I hade my collection planned out.... They Pull me back in!!

Ughh...my wallet just groaned...

Wait, is this seriously your first time hearing about this show? Did you miss out on its predecessor show, the eight-episode Combiner Wars?

Oh, you poor naive soul. So completely in the dark about how much of a dreadful schlock this show is gonna be if it's anything like it's predecessor.

And, no, Frank Welker is not in this show. Megatron is voiced by Jason Marnocha and thank goodness for that! Marnocha was the only good thing about the first show, so having him back is the one positive aspect about this dark blot of a show.

And it will have nothing to do with any of the G1 fiction from the 1980s. No ties to the cartoon, the movie, or the Marvel Comics. It's in its own little world of misery and mediocrity.

Wow, way to **** on his dreams.

I'm sure they tried to get Welker, but he was probably just way to busy, and they couldn't afford him. mamocha did a good job, but I'm sure Welker could have pulled of a snarky comedic Megatron just as well.

SillyMcGilly wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:HOLY CRAPOLA!! THIS IS HUGE NEWS! THIS IS AS BIG AS THE CANON TIE IN BEAST WARS TO G-1! Now we get an addition to G-1 canon this time with the original voice cast members available, namely Cullen and Welker! wow....

This is literally the biggest news that I have ever heard!

Just when I thought I hade my collection planned out.... They Pull me back in!!

Ughh...my wallet just groaned...

Wait, is this seriously your first time hearing about this show? Did you miss out on its predecessor show, the eight-episode Combiner Wars?

Oh, you poor naive soul. So completely in the dark about how much of a dreadful schlock this show is gonna be if it's anything like it's predecessor.

And, no, Frank Welker is not in this show. Megatron is voiced by Jason Marnocha and thank goodness for that! Marnocha was the only good thing about the first show, so having him back is the one positive aspect about this dark blot of a show.

And it will have nothing to do with any of the G1 fiction from the 1980s. No ties to the cartoon, the movie, or the Marvel Comics. It's in its own little world of misery and mediocrity.

Wow, way to s*** on his dreams.

He's a Transformers fan. I'm sure he's used to disappointment.

SillyMcGilly wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:HOLY CRAPOLA!! THIS IS HUGE NEWS! THIS IS AS BIG AS THE CANON TIE IN BEAST WARS TO G-1! Now we get an addition to G-1 canon this time with the original voice cast members available, namely Cullen and Welker! wow....

This is literally the biggest news that I have ever heard!

Just when I thought I hade my collection planned out.... They Pull me back in!!

Ughh...my wallet just groaned...

Wait, is this seriously your first time hearing about this show? Did you miss out on its predecessor show, the eight-episode Combiner Wars?

Oh, you poor naive soul. So completely in the dark about how much of a dreadful schlock this show is gonna be if it's anything like it's predecessor.

And, no, Frank Welker is not in this show. Megatron is voiced by Jason Marnocha and thank goodness for that! Marnocha was the only good thing about the first show, so having him back is the one positive aspect about this dark blot of a show.

And it will have nothing to do with any of the G1 fiction from the 1980s. No ties to the cartoon, the movie, or the Marvel Comics. It's in its own little world of misery and mediocrity.

Wow, way to s*** on his dreams.

Hey guys come on! LOL..

I was reading that news article thru fanboy colored goggles, and got ahead of myself when I saw Cullen was involved, and so having not seen combiner wars, and not been into the toyline, I was easily out of the loop when reading that, and yes.. I would love to see Hasbro honor the original series and pick up where G-1 left off, and give us a toyline and show that leads into the evolution of the Predacons and Maximals in the future.. That would be a nice thing, and with the news article, I thought maybe that was going to finally happen. I would not be opposed to an addition to the G-1 mythos, but I wonder if a highly stylized and very 1986 production quality animation would sell today in a world of CGI? Could a 1986 Movie like direct to DVD or Cartoon network TV series work for a final homage to G-1? I would get into that.. the nostalgia, the characters, and the voice actors would be enough to draw me in.. If they had great Bots too I would jump in on it. CGI toons are cool, and they can do much. But for me, if a G-1 continuation were to come our way, I'd prefer this unique and hand drawn style, with the quality they put into the 86 movie, I think it would still sell and hold up today.

Just look at these quality images...









It was art and posters like this that really show the level of detail and love that went into promoting that movie. If There was ever a time to capitalize on the G-1 universe, nostalgia, and story and interest and money. Then now is the time.


But from what you guys are telling me, this new series is like JJ Abrams Star Trek.. an alternative reality, that doesn't have anything to do with the original time line.. That's okay, I guess.. but HUGE news would be a committed G-1 continuation, Hasbro would make world news if they decided to do that..

But when you see images like this, you can't help but wonder if Hasbro missed the boat by not making something that tied into that Series..


I can see why.. It's nostalgia driven gives the G-1 fans a reason to come, and the storyline being new, and not tied to G-1 continuity means anyone can jump on.. but it leaves something out going that way.. I can't seem to explain it.

Oh come on! now granted that there's no ties fiction wise...to G1

but....

does Trypticon not look like his G1 self?

does Optimus?

so they are keeping it G1 in terms of LOOKS!!! if nothing else

+ I can't believe that noone wants to see a Metroplex vs Trypticon fight! i mean what's wrong with you people?

ok...put it this way....would you rather have what we're going to be getting?

or

would you rather that Michael Bay came along and directed the episodes... hmm?

Stuartmaximus wrote:Oh come on! now granted that there's no ties fiction wise...to G1

but....

does Trypticon not look like his G1 self?

does Optimus?

so they are keeping it G1 in terms of LOOKS!!! if nothing else

+ I can't believe that noone wants to see a Metroplex vs Trypticon fight! i mean what's wrong with you people?

ok...put it this way....would you rather have what we're going to be getting?

or

would you rather that Michael Bay came along and directed the episodes... hmm?

Michael Bay would probably make sure the frame rate and effects and EXPLOSIONS are better. Then again, it might have varying aspect ratios as well, which would kinda suck.

Stuartmaximus wrote:Oh come on! now granted that there's no ties fiction wise...to G1

but....

does Trypticon not look like his G1 self?

does Optimus?

so they are keeping it G1 in terms of LOOKS!!! if nothing else

I think we are saying the same thing, just differently. I didn't say it didn't take place in "a verison" of G1. Just like JJ's Trek is "a version" of those original characters, its just not the SAME VERSION, of those characters...if that makes any sense. It's an alternate continuity of the original series, kinf of like IDW ongoing.

Stuartmaximus wrote:I can't believe that no one wants to see a Metroplex vs Trypticon fight! i mean what's wrong with you people?

I have wanted to see a good rendition of this battle for a long time. As much as I love the original animated series, even their brief skirmishes in FFOD #5, Thief in the Night, and The Ultimate Weapon were not that great, plus brief encounters in a handful of Headmasters episodes. But if this fight goes like the Menasor/Computron battle at the beginning of CW, It will be all flash, and no substance, minus the flash.

Stuartmaximus wrote:ok...put it this way....would you rather have what we're going to be getting?

or

would you rather that Michael Bay came along and directed the episodes... hmm?

I'll take the 3rd option.

o.supreme wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:Oh come on! now granted that there's no ties fiction wise...to G1

but....

does Trypticon not look like his G1 self?

does Optimus?

so they are keeping it G1 in terms of LOOKS!!! if nothing else

I think we are saying the same thing, just differently. I didn't say it didn't take place in "a verison" of G1. Just like JJ's Trek is "a version" of those original characters, its just not the SAME VERSION, of those characters...if that makes any sense. It's an alternate continuity of the original series, kinf of like IDW ongoing.

Stuartmaximus wrote:I can't believe that no one wants to see a Metroplex vs Trypticon fight! i mean what's wrong with you people?

I have wanted to see a good rendition of this battle for a long time. As much as I love the original animated series, even their brief skirmishes in FFOD #5, Thief in the Night, and The Ultimate Weapon were not that great, plus brief encounters in a handful of Headmasters episodes. But if this fight goes like the Menasor/Computron battle at the beginning of CW, It will be all flash, and no substance, minus the flash.

Stuartmaximus wrote:ok...put it this way....would you rather have what we're going to be getting?

or

would you rather that Michael Bay came along and directed the episodes... hmm?

I'll take the 3rd option.

Actually I would like to see Shingo Natsume at Madhouse Direct the episodes, he Directed One Punch Man the animated series..

The 3rd option...

mind you...while the Metroplex vs Trypticon skirmish is going on...i wonder what Fort Max is doing? is he sitting on the sidelines reading a book or something

primalxconvoy wrote:

Annnd saved. This is perfect

Stuartmaximus wrote:The 3rd option...

mind you...while the Metroplex vs Trypticon skirmish is going on...i wonder what Fort Max is doing? is he sitting on the sidelines reading a book or something

Calling it now: Fort Max will either be dead (""dead"") in the first five minutes, or he won't turn up until they need a deus ex machina to save the day at the end of the climax.

I could be wrong, but. Y'know. Drawing conclusions from prior data and all that.

We've basically surmised that Metroplex will be the one damaged/destroyed early on. Perceptor will have the information to send the trio (Windblade, Prime, and Megatron), on their McGuffin quest to find Emissary, or whatever it takes to make Emissary/Cerebros, bring Fortress Maximus online to defeat Trypticon in the end, while the council (Rodimus and cane-doink lady) look on. Oh and some Combiners will get smashed in Trypticon's path...

did I leave anything out?

ok...so in answer to my own question from a few pages bck, and in case anyone is interested...I managed to get the Target Exclusive release of TLK on Blu Ray which includes the CW series as part of the bonus features Blu Ray.

It is in fact all edited together as a single movie which, for better or worse, was exactly what I would have wanted. It looks the best it possibly can in HD, and the editing as a single 40 minute *short film* does make it flow better.

So in summation, yes CW is awful, but you can have this awful entry look and feel the best it can possibly be. So that is something.

"First we had.... our core characters, like Optimus and Megatron.... the we had the combiners.... like the next evolution of Transformers.... that even our heroes are going to struggle to take down."
Yeah.... they sure did struggle against those combiners. Remember in that first episode how Windblade struggled with Menasor for about a minute before cutting him in half?
"Now we go to the next level, metroplex is a city, a city coming to life."
Based on what we see in that fight, that kind of makes sense, but the flipside is that there isn't much city left for them to stomp through IN their fight so we don't get that sense of scale and destruction they're bragging about.

This is going to be a mess.

skywarp-2 wrote:Actually I would like to see Shingo Natsume at Madhouse Direct the episodes, he Directed One Punch Man the animated series..

You know what's really sad? This series is (and its predecessor Combiner Wars was) animated by Tatsunoko Production, a studio known for its legendary animation quality given in several anime series of the past, and yet what we get out of this series (and Combiner Wars) positively pales in comparison to even the most average of Tatsunoko's past animation works.

King Kuuga wrote:"Now we go to the next level, metroplex is a city, a city coming to life."
Based on what we see in that fight, that kind of makes sense, but the flipside is that there isn't much city left for them to stomp through IN their fight so we don't get that sense of scale and destruction they're bragging about.

This is going to be a mess.

Yeah it kinda looked like a test animation without all the building models and textures. But nope. Most likely that's how it's gonna look in the end. Shame. That combined with the horrible frame rate and probable cheap story like the first show will make this barely watchable.

(I'm still gonna watch it, for... science, and context for whenever Geewun Redone comes out with their much better version.)

P.S. If they had just scrapped this idea and made a show with longer episodes, maybe this would be a lil better...


...nah.

despite all of the hatred, you do realise that they are gonna do a Power Of The Primes one too! right?

Stuartmaximus wrote:despite all of the hatred, you do realise that they are gonna do a Power Of The Primes one too! right?

Oh, of course!

And I, for one, can't wait to tear it to shreds too see how much they improve between now and then!

Sabrblade wrote:You know what's really sad? This series is (and its predecessor Combiner Wars was) animated by Tatsunoko Production, a studio known for its legendary animation quality given in several anime series of the past, and yet what we get out of this series (and Combiner Wars) positively pales in comparison to even the most average of Tatsunoko's past animation works.

This is true, but I don't necessarily blame Tatsunoko. I mostly Blame Machinima & Hasbro. They wrote & Produced the series, they just paid Tatsunoko probably a penance, to get it done as quickly and cheaply as possible. This was probably a starter series for Tatsunoko interns or something.

Just like back in 1985 when WEP contracted Toei to produce 20 new episodes of "Voltron". Toei in their minds was probably like "Why? We told the story of Golion, its over...", but they saw the money, and though it wasn't a lot, complied with WEP, and made 20 episodes that look like crap compared to the original 52.

So yeah...I'm not sure where I saw that John DiMaggio was voicing Trypticon, but we can eliminate that rumor. "Ghost in the Machine" shout out...tee hee...

Oooh Seekers as Cannon Fodder.

It still looks bad, but I'll admit, one tiny, tiny part of me, maybe 0.0001% is smiling a little, just a little though.

Also, when you have text phrases in a trailer between cut scenes...shouldn't one statement lead into the other coherently?...If I'm wrong let me know...

LMAO! Shut up Wil wheaten!