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Re: Death's Head Avengers Infinite Wave Available for Pre-Order @ BBTS

Postby triKlops » Fri May 16, 2014 9:36 am

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Re: Death's Head Avengers Infinite Wave Available for Pre-Order @ BBTS

Postby Sabrblade » Fri May 16, 2014 9:44 am

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Rated X wrote:This thing could have been in every G1 comic, and I still wouldnt buy it. Its so Marvelish. I hate super heroes/villians and am so glad the sunbow cartoon didnt go that route.


I agree, though my personal objection of him was that in a universe full of already surprisingly well-established characters they had to introduce this guy. If they needed an ill-tempered lunatic to chase Galvatron through time what exactly was, say, Afterburner doing that was so important he couldn't fill this role.
The UK comic was still somewhat reliant on the US comic at the time. By the time Death's Head was introduced in the UK, Afterburner had already been introduced in the US two months earlier, and so the UK comics were working to not contradict what was going on the US issues at the time.

Plus, Afterburner isn't a bounty hunter, which is specifically what Simon Furman wanted to use as, according to Geoff Senior, Furman's script called for such a character. And since they wanted to do something new and creative, they chose to make this new character a non-Transformer who would serve to frame the story. As a result, the character proved immensely popular with the readers of the time.
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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

Postby mblase75 » Fri May 16, 2014 11:01 am

Can someone familiar with the character tell me why Death's Head is human-sized when fighting human characters in the comics, and Transformers-sized when fighting Transformers?
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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

Postby Seibertron » Fri May 16, 2014 11:05 am

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mblase75 wrote:Can someone familiar with the character tell me why Death's Head is human-sized when fighting human characters in the comics, and Transformers-sized when fighting Transformers?


Dr Who came along and shrunk Death's Head from being a Transformers sized character to a human sized character and sent him off from the Transformers Universe to the Marvel Universe.
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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

Postby Diem » Fri May 16, 2014 11:08 am

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mblase75 wrote:Can someone familiar with the character tell me why Death's Head is human-sized when fighting human characters in the comics, and Transformers-sized when fighting Transformers?


Dr Who came along and shrunk Death's Head from being a Transformers sized character to a human sized character and sent him off from the Transformers Universe to the Marvel Universe.


Even though I know that's the truth it still sounds like you're taking the piss. :lol: Oh Marvel, you so wacky.
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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

Postby Sabrblade » Fri May 16, 2014 11:37 am

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Also, about the Sunbow cartoon not having super heroes/villains in it, yes, it totally did. Only they weren't humans. They were the Transformers themselves. The Autobots and Decepticons were so painfully obvious super heroes and super villains to the people of Earth in that cartoon. Take the old Superfriends cartoon, turn them and the Legion of Doom into giant transforming robots instead of humans/humanoids, and there's hardly any difference between them.
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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

Postby Diem » Fri May 16, 2014 11:47 am

Sabrblade wrote:Also, about the Sunbow cartoon not having super heroes/villains in it, yes, it totally did. Only they weren't humans. They were the Transformers themselves. The Autobots and Decepticons were so painfully obvious super heroes and super villains to the people of Earth in that cartoon. Take the old Superfriends cartoon, turn them and the Legion of Doom into giant transforming robots instead of humans/humanoids, and there's hardly any difference between them.


Yeah, it's pretty obvious that the writers had superheroes on the mind. "This one can teleport! This one has super strength! This one can create illusions!"

Not that that wound up being a bad thing.
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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Fri May 16, 2014 3:50 pm

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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

Postby MGrotusque » Fri May 16, 2014 10:03 pm

Seibertron wrote:
Dr Who came along and shrunk Death's Head from being a Transformers sized character to a human sized character and sent him off from the Transformers Universe to the Marvel Universe.


This is mind boggling to me! I was NOT expecting to see Dr. Who show up in this thread. I want that comic as i'm a huge Dr.Who fan. What was the issue number and what Dr??

This is very exciting for me now and that DH fig looks great. They did a good job on that sculpt.
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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

Postby triKlops » Fri May 16, 2014 10:13 pm

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MGrotusque wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
Dr Who came along and shrunk Death's Head from being a Transformers sized character to a human sized character and sent him off from the Transformers Universe to the Marvel Universe.


This is mind boggling to me! I was NOT expecting to see Dr. Who show up in this thread. I want that comic as i'm a huge Dr.Who fan. What was the issue number and what Dr??

This is very exciting for me now and that DH fig looks great. They did a good job on that sculpt.


Hopefully this helps ya.

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Death%27s_Head
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Death%27s_Head_(G1)
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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

Postby MGrotusque » Fri May 16, 2014 10:32 pm

It helps very much. Thanx dude ;)^ ;)^ ;)^
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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

Postby Sabrblade » Fri May 16, 2014 11:10 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Also, about the Sunbow cartoon not having super heroes/villains in it, yes, it totally did. Only they weren't humans. They were the Transformers themselves. The Autobots and Decepticons were so painfully obvious super heroes and super villains to the people of Earth in that cartoon. Take the old Superfriends cartoon, turn them and the Legion of Doom into giant transforming robots instead of humans/humanoids, and there's hardly any difference between them.


Yeah, it's pretty obvious that the writers had superheroes on the mind. "This one can teleport! This one has super strength! This one can create illusions!"

Not that that wound up being a bad thing.
What's more is that the same goes for the human/non-TF villains in the G1 cartoon. Dr. Arkeville, for instance, fits the classic "evil scientist with mind control technology" supervillain role almost too well. King Nergill is the classic "evil king of an inhuman kingdom." TORQ III is the classic "computer AI gone mad". Kremzeek is the classic "accidental chaotic energy monster". Abdul Fakkadi is the classic "militaristic dictator of a foreign nation." Etc.

And some of the others match up with more well known supervillains:
  • Lord Chumley -- Kraven the Hunter
  • Shawn Berger -- Lex Luthor
  • Victor Drath -- The Kingpin
  • Old Snake is Cobra Commander
By comparison, Death's Head is hardly all that different. Though, again, he isn't even a superhero or supervillain, anyway. He's a robotic bounty hunter.

One could even argue that he's practically like what Nightbird was, only with a personality/life/career of his own, and not built by humans (but he was still built by someone, nonetheless). Or like Nijika before she was damaged. Or like NUL-A from "The Ultimate Weapon" (if he too was created by someone).
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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

Postby Burn » Fri May 16, 2014 11:59 pm

Sabrblade wrote:Though, again, he isn't even a superhero or supervillain, anyway. He's a robotic bounty hunter.


He's a member MI:13, he's a comic book character that's fought alongside and against other superheroes, he's both.
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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

Postby Diem » Sat May 17, 2014 12:01 am

Sabrblade wrote:
Diem wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Also, about the Sunbow cartoon not having super heroes/villains in it, yes, it totally did. Only they weren't humans. They were the Transformers themselves. The Autobots and Decepticons were so painfully obvious super heroes and super villains to the people of Earth in that cartoon. Take the old Superfriends cartoon, turn them and the Legion of Doom into giant transforming robots instead of humans/humanoids, and there's hardly any difference between them.


Yeah, it's pretty obvious that the writers had superheroes on the mind. "This one can teleport! This one has super strength! This one can create illusions!"

Not that that wound up being a bad thing.
What's more is that the same goes for the human/non-TF villains in the G1 cartoon. Dr. Arkeville, for instance, fits the classic "evil scientist with mind control technology" supervillain role almost too well. King Nergill is the classic "evil king of an inhuman kingdom." TORQ III is the classic "computer AI gone mad". Kremzeek is the classic "accidental chaotic energy monster". Abdul Fakkadi is the classic "militaristic dictator of a foreign nation." Etc.

And some of the others match up with more well known supervillains:
  • Lord Chumley -- Kraven the Hunter
  • Shawn Berger -- Lex Luthor
  • Victor Drath -- The Kingpin
  • Old Snake is Cobra Commander
By comparison, Death's Head is hardly all that different. Though, again, he isn't even a superhero or supervillain, anyway. He's a robotic bounty hunter.

One could even argue that he's practically like what Nightbird was, only with a personality/life/career of his own, and not built by humans (but he was still built by someone, nonetheless). Or like Nijika before she was damaged. Or like NUL-A from "The Ultimate Weapon" (if he too was created by someone).


Well we gettin' too deep. I'm only here for the giant robots.
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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

Postby Sabrblade » Sat May 17, 2014 12:07 am

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Sabrblade wrote:Though, again, he isn't even a superhero or supervillain, anyway. He's a robotic bounty hunter.


He's a member MI:13, he's a comic book character that's fought alongside and against other superheroes, he's both.
Was mostly referring to his term in the TFUK comics.
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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

Postby Burn » Sat May 17, 2014 12:16 am

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Burn wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Though, again, he isn't even a superhero or supervillain, anyway. He's a robotic bounty hunter.


He's a member MI:13, he's a comic book character that's fought alongside and against other superheroes, he's both.
Was mostly referring to his term in the TFUK comics.

Probably should have stated that then!

In which case, he's a super-villain.
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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

Postby Sabrblade » Sat May 17, 2014 12:20 am

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Burn wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Though, again, he isn't even a superhero or supervillain, anyway. He's a robotic bounty hunter.


He's a member MI:13, he's a comic book character that's fought alongside and against other superheroes, he's both.
Was mostly referring to his term in the TFUK comics.

Probably should have stated that then!

In which case, he's a super-villain.
I didn't think it was necessary since his term in the TF comics was the primary fiction-related thing that was being discussed in this thread in the first place.
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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

Postby Burn » Sat May 17, 2014 12:30 am

Oops. My bad.

He's still a super-villain. >:oP
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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

Postby Sabrblade » Sat May 17, 2014 12:35 am

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He's still a super-villain. >:oP
Outside of the TF comics, yes, but could you explain how he's a villain in the TF comics?
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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

Postby Burn » Sat May 17, 2014 12:51 am

He briefly hunted Rodimus Prime. Hunting the good guy tends to make you a villain. >:oP
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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

Postby Sabrblade » Sat May 17, 2014 12:54 am

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Burn wrote:He briefly hunted Rodimus Prime. Hunting the good guy tends to make you a villain. >:oP
Only cuz he was promised to get paid for it. Rodimus then paid him to hunt down Cyclonus and Scourge. He then fought against Unicron alongside Rodimus, for free.

He was a neutral. His actions were driven by a single goal: Profit (or by forced servitude by Unicron, which he detested).
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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

Postby Diem » Sat May 17, 2014 1:00 am

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Burn wrote:Oops. My bad.

He's still a super-villain. >:oP
Outside of the TF comics, yes, but could you explain how he's a villain in the TF comics?
Is being a Mary Sue villainous enough?

After all he got the jump on Rodimus, Soundwave and Shockwave, all of whom were tough cookies and he was the only one who could somehow resist Unicron's thrall

He's pretty much the proto-Drift, except not even Cybertronian.
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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

Postby Burn » Sat May 17, 2014 1:01 am

And what, because he was only doing it for profit doesn't make him a villain?

ah, no. Regardless of what was driving him, he was (albeit briefly) the heroes antagonist, ergo, villain.
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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

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Re: Marvel Avengers Infinite Wave 2 Death's Head figure

Postby Dead Metal » Sat May 17, 2014 1:13 am

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Why is this in the Transformers toy section? He's a Marvel toy based on a Marvrl comic character. Sure he was in a ton of Marvel UK TF comics, but he's still not an actual Transformers character.
This should be in the Non-Transformers forum.
Or will we be reporting on every new Spider-Man anf GI Joe toy that comes out now?
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