Duke of Luns wrote:So this could mean yet ANOTHER reboot, making the Amazing films completely pointless. Because there is no way they could exist in the same Universe as is.
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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Duke of Luns wrote:So this could mean yet ANOTHER reboot, making the Amazing films completely pointless. Because there is no way they could exist in the same Universe as is.
serious question, I'm not a fan of the newer spider films.................why is there "no way" for the recent spider films to co-exist with the current marvel movie universe?
Burn wrote:Well for starters, the Andrew Garfield ones rebooted the previous trilogy thus making Toby Maguire's films redundant.
Secondly ... Andrew Garfields movies sucked.
Thirdly ... aside from Stan Lee, they have absoloutely no connection to any of the other MCU movies. All of which have a connection, be it some small prop in the background or a post-credits scene.
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Burn wrote:You never said anything about creating a connection, you asked "why is there "no way" for the recent spider films to co-exist with the current marvel movie universe" ... and as I said, because there's no connection. They are NOT part of the MCU. Going forth Spider-Man and his solo movies will be.
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Duke of Luns wrote:Well one extremely no way can they coexist example is that New York never suffered from a severe alien attack in the Amazing films. Another is...uh...hmm...I think I might have been making a hyperbole. I mean they couldn't mention other Marvel things, but even then Spider-Man was never really shown to be this great hero everyone loved(or hated) in the films, and things were kept pretty tight to just his character. Iron Man and the Avengers were the apple of the public's eye. This weird vigilante that crawls on walls could easily fall by the wayside.
There were super-villain attacks, but relatively minor ones overall. Lizard's bridge rampage and weird plot to turn everyone into lizards were one night affairs. Same with Electro's attacks in Amazing 2. The blackout lasted for barely an hour or two.
An easy connection to the Marvel Cinematic Universe could even be made with Oscorp. Amazing 2 showed they were making weapons, possibly filling the gap left by Stark's no weapons policy. The Rhino suit could even be a rough prototype for an exo-armor.
So yeah, I guess I was mistaken, Amazing 1 and 2 could still conceivably take place in the current Universe unless I forgot something major. And part of me.... wouldn't mind that. I may not like the retelling and mostly pointless changes to his origin, but it did establish the character, and didn't really do anything "wrong" to him in the grand scheme of things.
Of course, we would still have Gwen, Captain Stacy, and Norman Osbourne dead. But they could build story around that too.
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ZeroWolf wrote:I don't think marvel will keep the Amazing movies as part of the series, if they're wanting a new actor, then stands to reason that spidey will leave that past behind.
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:those type of things have happened for years in the comics.how many time have we as fans thought, where the hell were he avengers durring this alien attack in a x-men book, or where was spiderman durring that bank robbery in a daredevil book.
or why the city looked fine in the fantastic 4 book but under demon control in a different book
ZeroWolf wrote:But the ball is in their court so to speak. They could still suprise us and announce a Netflix series if they so wished (though now that I think about it, I would love that) there is also the chatter that the mcu spidey may not be Peter Parker. No evidence of this yet but again only time will tell
Duke of Luns wrote:And while I do see why they wouldn't keep the continuity, it would add so much more if they did. I don't know what his role is during the upcoming Captain America film, but if the Civil War is about young heroes and responsibly using their powers, it would be to their advantage to keep the Amazing backstory.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
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Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:[Duke of Luns wrote:And while I do see why they wouldn't keep the continuity, it would add so much more if they did. I don't know what his role is during the upcoming Captain America film, but if the Civil War is about young heroes and responsibly using their powers, it would be to their advantage to keep the Amazing backstory.
Civil War isn't about young Heroes and using their powers responsibly, the comic was about Superheroes having a literal war because some wanted to keep their identities a secret and not work as special cops for the government, while the others did want to do that and went as far as killing those who opposed them. Spider-Man's role in that was being guilted into revealing his identity publicly by Iron Man as propaganda for the pro-registration side.
Then he switched sides when the Iron Man and co became pretty fachisty and murdery.
Actually, I can't see how Spider-Man would work in context here, the whole point behind his role in the original was that his identity was the best guarded secret back then, and that his name stood for something. Which isn't true in the MCU, he isn't as big a symbol or a name in it as of yet.
Duke of Luns wrote:Dead Metal wrote:[Duke of Luns wrote:And while I do see why they wouldn't keep the continuity, it would add so much more if they did. I don't know what his role is during the upcoming Captain America film, but if the Civil War is about young heroes and responsibly using their powers, it would be to their advantage to keep the Amazing backstory.
Civil War isn't about young Heroes and using their powers responsibly, the comic was about Superheroes having a literal war because some wanted to keep their identities a secret and not work as special cops for the government, while the others did want to do that and went as far as killing those who opposed them. Spider-Man's role in that was being guilted into revealing his identity publicly by Iron Man as propaganda for the pro-registration side.
Then he switched sides when the Iron Man and co became pretty fachisty and murdery.
Actually, I can't see how Spider-Man would work in context here, the whole point behind his role in the original was that his identity was the best guarded secret back then, and that his name stood for something. Which isn't true in the MCU, he isn't as big a symbol or a name in it as of yet.
I think they stated when the Civil War movie was announce that it wasn't going to be that much about identities, as the movies themselves are hardly about double identities. The only one even close to doing that was the original Iron Man.
And the Civil War was kind of about wanting to train inexperienced heroes, as it did come up. The whole incident was started when the New Warriors recklessly popped in to fight some super villains for their reality show and Nitro blew up a school in Stamford. It's been a good while since I read it, and I did read a few tie in issues, and I think I remember some folks like Spider-Woman specifically went out looking for young heroes to register.
However, since I admittedly haven't read that many more recent comics I might have been mixing the point of Civil War up with Avengers: The Intitive, which I also read. It did come out after Civil War, referenced it a bit, and dealt with training young heroes so another Stamford didn't happen.
Speaking of which, put Butterball in Cap 3! He was one of my favorite characters in the series, even if he only appeared in a few issues.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
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Ironhidensh wrote:Granted, it's been years since I read civil war, but I remember it slightly differently. The heroes o my had to register if they wanted to still be heroes. If you didn't want to register, it was fine, just hang up the cape. I remember Justice and Firestar quit rather than register. Ironman and co were hunting down those who refused to register, by kept playing the hero.
I remember being hilariously shocked that people who were typically big proponents of gun control were so against superhuman registration.
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Ironhidensh wrote:I always saw it as logical. Some of the heroes are more powerful than a tactical nuke. Why let them run around free as willy?
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
It Is Him wrote:When I originally read Civil War, I read it as subtle commentary on the Patriot Act. But lately I've been thinking about Miller's right-leaning politics, and it makes me wonder if it could also have been influenced by some far-right paranoid fears that the government could one day ask for a list of everyone who owns guns.
Va'al wrote:It Is Him wrote:When I originally read Civil War, I read it as subtle commentary on the Patriot Act. But lately I've been thinking about Miller's right-leaning politics, and it makes me wonder if it could also have been influenced by some far-right paranoid fears that the government could one day ask for a list of everyone who owns guns.
Are you confusing Mark Millar with Frank Miller, here?
Mark Millar, as much as I do not like his writing that much (other than Civil War and Wanted), is a Labour party supporter, left-wing (vaguely) advocate.
Frank Miller (Dark Knight Returns, 300), on the other hand, is definitely leaning towards a more right-wing set of beliefs.
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