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Masterpiece Megatron KO?

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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby Pilgrim76 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:30 am

Hi Deathsaurus !

Thanks for the pics ! This is interesting, I said elesewhere that last year I discussed with a TF reseller at the french Manga Expo. He had the same dark MP-5 box as the one you show for your reissue. I told him it was a fake and he laughed saying it was genuine, no doubt about it as he got it from an official source. I was confused and asked him to show me the box.

All I can say is that it was somewhat similar to the one from Lena, yet there was still one difference I noticed : In Lena's, the white line overlaps with the black outline of the canon, while not in the "official" MP-5 that was presentd to me. I couldn't notice anything else obvious as I didn't have my own MP-5 with me to compare (obviously), but the general feel of the box was okay while with Lena something feels off (I think WM8 noticed that also). At the time, I just discarded the idea it could be genuine MP-5, period.

But now that for the second time I see such an official MP-5 (and coming from BBTS, so no doubt that it is genuine), I am ready to believe there was a second run with a different printing (something that seemed impossible a few monthes ago).

Can you post a bigger picture of the upper left corner of the box ? It would be interesting to see the detail I mentionned above. Also, are the pictures on the back of the boxes much crisp and vibrant on the first release or are they the same ?

Thanks a lot Deathsaurus, it helps moving forward.
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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby Deathsaurus1 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:02 am

Pilgrim76 wrote:Hi Deathsaurus !

Thanks for the pics ! This is interesting, I said elesewhere that last year I discussed with a TF reseller at the french Manga Expo. He had the same dark MP-5 box as the one you show for your reissue. I told him it was a fake and he laughed saying it was genuine, no doubt about it as he got it from an official source. I was confused and asked him to show me the box.

All I can say is that it was somewhat similar to the one from Lena, yet there was still one difference I noticed : In Lena's, the white line overlaps with the black outline of the canon, while not in the "official" MP-5 that was presentd to me. I couldn't notice anything else obvious as I didn't have my own MP-5 with me to compare (obviously), but the general feel of the box was okay while with Lena something feels off (I think WM8 noticed that also). At the time, I just discarded the idea it could be genuine MP-5, period.

But now that for the second time I see such an official MP-5 (and coming from BBTS, so no doubt that it is genuine), I am ready to believe there was a second run with a different printing (something that seemed impossible a few monthes ago).

Can you post a bigger picture of the upper left corner of the box ? It would be interesting to see the detail I mentionned above. Also, are the pictures on the back of the boxes much crisp and vibrant on the first release or are they the same ?

Thanks a lot Deathsaurus, it helps moving forward.


I will post every difference I have spotted on the figure and his accessories later.
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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby Pilgrim76 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:22 am

Thanks a lot :)

It seems to me that your 2nd MP-5 is the same as the one I was shown at the Manga Expo : the overlap between the white line and the canon's black outline that appear on Lena's MP-5 is not visible on your 2nd run MP-5.

I am talking about this :

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Is this something you can confirm ?

If yes, that means (1) there are 2 confirmed runs of MP-5 with very significant differences in the box printings (even the text boxes are different), and (2) we still have third different box from Lena.

Starts to be complicated... :BANG_HEAD:
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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby fenrir72 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:51 am

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Pilgrim76 wrote:Thanks a lot :)

It seems to me that your 2nd MP-5 is the same as the one I was shown at the Manga Expo : the overlap between the white line and the canon's black outline that appear on Lena's MP-5 is not visible on your 2nd run MP-5.

I am talking about this :

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Is this something you can confirm ?

If yes, that means (1) there are 2 confirmed runs of MP-5 with very significant differences in the box printings (even the text boxes are different), and (2) we still have third different box from Lena.

Starts to be complicated... :BANG_HEAD:


Not complicated. There were three runs. Officially with the first two you have and the third being the "electrum" version + die cast Reflector. The 4th would be lena's KOs
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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby william-james88 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:21 am

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Pilgrim76 wrote:Thanks a lot :)

It seems to me that your 2nd MP-5 is the same as the one I was shown at the Manga Expo : the overlap between the white line and the canon's black outline that appear on Lena's MP-5 is not visible on your 2nd run MP-5.

I am talking about this :

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Is this something you can confirm ?

If yes, that means (1) there are 2 confirmed runs of MP-5 with very significant differences in the box printings (even the text boxes are different), and (2) we still have third different box from Lena.

Starts to be complicated... :BANG_HEAD:


Not complicated. There were three runs. Officially with the first two you have and the third being the "electrum" version + die cast Reflector. The 4th would be lena's KOs


Where are you getting that the one Lena sells is a KO? There seems to be less and less evidence pointing to that. There is so far no evidence whatsoever that Lena sells KOs in general, especially now that we know that we cant even look at the box as solid proof. That is just your speculation. Please say that you are just assuming because you have no facts to back anything up one way or another.
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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby Pilgrim76 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:33 am

Well William, there are evidences that Lena sells KO (or fakes, or whatever you want to call them), you forget about the cassettrons that definitely are (please don't make me summarize all the clues about it).

But I agree, the question about Lena's MP-5 being a KO is on hold, until someone can do a thorough comparison between Lena's MP-5 and a 2nd run MP-5.

It still seems to me that Lena's MP-5 boxes are different from the 2nd run MP-5 boxe. On Deathsaurus pictures, the black outline around Meg is not visible. If it is true, that means that Lena has another kind of box, which raises again the question about legitimacy of her MP-5s....
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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby Deathsaurus1 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:54 am

Differences I spotted on the figure itself. The Grey swirly plastic is far more noticeable on the first run, and the blue on the abdomen is more metallic on the reissue
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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby Deathsaurus1 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:21 pm

Here are the accessories.
The clear purple plastic and yellow clear plastic are much darker in the reissue.
The purple gun is more metallic on the reissue and same can be said for the sabers hilt, which I forgot to take photos.

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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby fenrir72 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:59 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:
Pilgrim76 wrote:Thanks a lot :)

It seems to me that your 2nd MP-5 is the same as the one I was shown at the Manga Expo : the overlap between the white line and the canon's black outline that appear on Lena's MP-5 is not visible on your 2nd run MP-5.

I am talking about this :

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Is this something you can confirm ?

If yes, that means (1) there are 2 confirmed runs of MP-5 with very significant differences in the box printings (even the text boxes are different), and (2) we still have third different box from Lena.

Starts to be complicated... :BANG_HEAD:


Not complicated. There were three runs. Officially with the first two you have and the third being the "electrum" version + die cast Reflector. The 4th would be lena's KOs


Where are you getting that the one Lena sells is a KO? There seems to be less and less evidence pointing to that. There is so far no evidence whatsoever that Lena sells KOs in general, especially now that we know that we cant even look at the box as solid proof. That is just your speculation. Please say that you are just assuming because you have no facts to back anything up one way or another.


When you speculate you make it sound like the gospel truth. When I speculate you call for more proof.

This matter of fact attitude of yours is sadly no longer amusing and getting old. Don't you recall your previous statements from other topics when you call out statements that don't fit your narrative then end up at the wrong side of the definitions? KO definition (just now)all wrong.

Shelf warming all wrong (don't quote me just check the so called definitions you so never fail to reference at ).

Then the Free shipping statement of yours, then you call the vendors greedy knowing or should I say, "should have known" that different stores follow different business models of trade. There's nothing as a free lunch in business.

Most of your "conclusions are just based on your "gut" feelings with no actual evidences.

I don't recall you saying "based on my gut feeling there is less proof evidence that lena sells KOs". Even that statement is false. Common sense will dictate that once a product ended its regular run then that's it. The never ending presence of "rejects" means like what? The factory is still churning out the products after more than 5 years? Who's maintaining the master molds? Master molds are expensive to maintain. Are the master molds legit? Or are they clones? Or even stolen then cloned?

Seems like you are really in denial buying a MP-05 many years ago from lena whose authenticity is suspect. If that's your sincere belief, no one is stopping you but based circumstances in the marketplace (it isn't just lena who is selling those KOs as there are a dozen vendors too who are selling these so called "rejects") the position I am taking that lena is a KO seller. The circumstances is more than enough to convict if this was a court case ( there is no need for a body to be present to convict for a crime of murder ).

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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby william-james88 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:45 pm

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fenrir72 wrote:The circumstances is more than enough to convict if this was a court case ( there is no need for a body to be present to convict for a crime of murder ).


Comparisons like these are utterly ridiculous, and make it hard to take you seriously. Everything for this toy is an assumption and I choose to believe mine is authentic, unless there is solid proof showing otherwise, of which there isnt. Please cool off fenrir72, and leave me alone.
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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby fenrir72 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:29 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:The circumstances is more than enough to convict if this was a court case ( there is no need for a body to be present to convict for a crime of murder ).


Comparisons like these are utterly ridiculous, and make it hard to take you seriously. Everything for this toy is an assumption and I choose to believe mine is authentic, unless there is solid proof showing otherwise, of which there isnt. Please cool off fenrir72, and leave me alone.


My response was to Pilgrim not you. It was you who responded to my post. Maybe it's you who should leave well enough alone. I rest my case in the bold >:oP
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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby henriquedematos » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:06 am

Well, damn, I have to resurrect this thread because this is really bothering me. I just bought an MP05 in hands from a local buyer who assured me it was genuine, and indeed, the box does seem to pass most of the comparison: the print is not incredibly shoddy, the black outline is nowhere near as heavy, the white border does not interlap over the canon's shadow, there is the gray reflection on the canon, and while he does have the denser black background, some people in this thread are pointing out that also occurs with later versions of the second run (as corroborated by some images found on Google), which means he should be fine. Hell, the box is even fairly worn out, which generally isn't to be expected from a recently made KO.

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The strange thing is, although he does pass the differences that were described in this thread, I did notice something in the KO picture that wasn't mentioned here but is surprisingly consistent with the one I got: in just about every other picture of an official MP05 box, the "Masterpiece" text below the Transformers logo on the upper left corner appears to be slightly sticking out of the canon, with the "M" always being outside of it...

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... Whereas mine has it entirely inside the canon, much like the KO in the OP.

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So, needless to say, I'm not entirely confident about this figure being legitimate. This seems to be the only thing that matches with the KO while everything else is consistent with the original, and yet, it also feels epistemically unlikely that mine just so happens to have a slightly different but nonetheless noticeable text displacement that that has only been seen in a KO before. What's even stranger is, while going through the pictures, I noticed something that neither the original or the currently known KO seem to have: the bottom of the shadow in the canon barrel appears to be cut off by the white outline in both versions (much like the upper one is cut off in the KO), whereas for some reason it actually looks correctly printed on mine. Is this another one of the differences between the official runs?

Unsurprisingly, the figure itself is pretty much perfect and, if it's a KO, then I honestly cannot discern it from an official toy out of the box, which is perhaps to be expected given how good these generally are. I've already messaged the seller asking him when and where he got it, hopefully that will help, but until then I'd like to see what you guys think about this. Anyone else who's recently bought a MISB / MIB MP05 is willing to photograph it for comparison?
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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby Pilgrim76 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:00 am

Hi !

This is really an interesting contribution. Sadly I am unsure if anyone can actually give you a proper answer. The only certainty is that the MP-05 KO/fake thing is a real clusterf**k...

To summarize :
-First run of MP-5 has crisp and clear pictures.
-According to an official French reseller I met two years ago, his box, a second run MP-5, was legit, although the picture (especially the red velvet in the background) was a bit faded. However the canon shadows and outlines were correctly drawn.
-Lena's MP-5 has the same faded pictures + incorrectly drawn shadows and canon outline.

I actually never noticed the misplaced "Masterpiece" text, but you are right, this is again something obviously highly suspect, as misplaced texts are usually strong giveaways for fakes/KOs (e.g. it is used to discriminate some G1 KOs from legit ones).

Yet, the fact that the second MP-5 run boxes seem to be different from first run indicate that more proofs are needed.

I looked at ebay and found some suspect listings like this one :

http://www.ebay.fr/itm/TAKARA-Transform ... SwuMZZIpuG

The box of this MP-5 is apparently the same as your (faded red background, misplaced text and, apparently, a correct canon outline/shadow).

Yet, the low selling price + other "non offcial" products listed + a significant stock of a long-discontinued figure are usual signs that the toy is probably a KO.

I strongly encourage you to contact this seller and directly ask him if this MP-5 is a legit or a KO toy (I usually tell them to be honnest in their answer as I will check the toy upon reception, and open a paypal dispute if the toy is found being fake... this is usually enough to get the truth, even when the toy is listed as an original).

If he tells you that it is a KO, then your is, sadly, probably also one.

But ultimately, we will never get the end of this story until someone posts pictures of 100% official 1st and 2nd run MP-5, alongside whith 100% non official MP-5s... and I mean not only boxes, but also the toys.

My last input : when I sold my Lena's MP-5, we opened the box together with the buyer, and all I can tell is that the toy seemed absolutely legit, with high quality pastics and metal parts and no defect at all. So if it was a KO as I strongly suspect, it was a really well done one, and no one can tell the difference just by eyeballing the toy.
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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby henriquedematos » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:59 am

Hey, thanks for the reply! I just messaged the seller to be sure but that almost certainly is a KO, the low price and the fact that it comes mass stocked from China for virtually no shipping costs is pretty much a dead giveaway - although, I'm not sure if that image is actually from the seller? It looks stretched and low res, like he croppped it from somewhere, and I frankly can't see all the differences in it. Nonetheless, it's becoming increasingly more likely that what I got is a KO, which is a bit of a shame even though the quality of the figure itself is still pretty solid.

So, turns out there are actually four MP5 versions? Two originals, the first KO sold by Luna that has the poorly scanned box and now a fourth KO that actually has improved quality and resolution?
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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby Pilgrim76 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:37 am

henriquedematos wrote:Hey, thanks for the reply! I just messaged the seller to be sure but that almost certainly is a KO, the low price and the fact that it comes mass stocked from China for virtually no shipping costs is pretty much a dead giveaway - although, I'm not sure if that image is actually from the seller? It looks stretched and low res, like he croppped it from somewhere, and I frankly can't see all the differences in it. Nonetheless, it's becoming increasingly more likely that what I got is a KO, which is a bit of a shame even though the quality of the figure itself is still pretty solid.

So, turns out there are actually four MP5 versions? Two originals, the first KO sold by Luna that has the poorly scanned box and now a fourth KO that actually has improved quality and resolution?


I honestly can't tell, your box is surprisingly different from the one presented in this thread. We cannot absolutely rule out that Takara produced a slightly different box in a very specific production run. Yet, given there have been MP-5 KOs for sale (I have received this information first hand from an ebay seller, and KO was the specific term), we can not rule out that KOers did several iterations of the box, some better than other.

IMO, the last possibility is more plausible (but this is just my opinion). My advice, in case you have any doubt about the legitimacy of a toy, treat it as non legitimate, especially if you have to resell it.

But obviously yes, there are at least 4 or 5 different MP-5 boxes out there. The question is : which one are legit, which are not, and what about their content...
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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby fenrir72 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:40 am

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henriquedematos wrote:Hey, thanks for the reply! I just messaged the seller to be sure but that almost certainly is a KO, the low price and the fact that it comes mass stocked from China for virtually no shipping costs is pretty much a dead giveaway - although, I'm not sure if that image is actually from the seller? It looks stretched and low res, like he croppped it from somewhere, and I frankly can't see all the differences in it. Nonetheless, it's becoming increasingly more likely that what I got is a KO, which is a bit of a shame even though the quality of the figure itself is still pretty solid.

So, turns out there are actually four MP5 versions? Two originals, the first KO sold by Luna that has the poorly scanned box and now a fourth KO that actually has improved quality and resolution?


Bud, if I sound too much blunt, not intended but if you do want an original MP-05, just go for MP36. But if you really want an honest to goodness original, I know of several sources from Japan. Though expect to pay top dollar. (I'll give you a legit link).

Fyi, I do have both original MP-05 and MP-36. Once you go Mp-36 though, it makes looking at MP05 very painful due to its antiquated technology.

All the cheapo at ebay are just that......cheapo KOs
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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby Deathsaurus1 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:48 am

henriquedematos wrote:Well, damn, I have to resurrect this thread because this is really bothering me. I just bought an MP05 in hands from a local buyer who assured me it was genuine, and indeed, the box does seem to pass most of the comparison: the print is not incredibly shoddy, the black outline is nowhere near as heavy, the white border does not interlap over the canon's shadow, there is the gray reflection on the canon, and while he does have the denser black background, some people in this thread are pointing out that also occurs with later versions of the second run (as corroborated by some images found on Google), which means he should be fine. Hell, the box is even fairly worn out, which generally isn't to be expected from a recently made KO.

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The strange thing is, although he does pass the differences that were described in this thread, I did notice something in the KO picture that wasn't mentioned here but is surprisingly consistent with the one I got: in just about every other picture of an official MP05 box, the "Masterpiece" text below the Transformers logo on the upper left corner appears to be slightly sticking out of the canon, with the "M" always being outside of it...

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... Whereas mine has it entirely inside the canon, much like the KO in the OP.

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So, needless to say, I'm not entirely confident about this figure being legitimate. This seems to be the only thing that matches with the KO while everything else is consistent with the original, and yet, it also feels epistemically unlikely that mine just so happens to have a slightly different but nonetheless noticeable text displacement that that has only been seen in a KO before. What's even stranger is, while going through the pictures, I noticed something that neither the original or the currently known KO seem to have: the bottom of the shadow in the canon barrel appears to be cut off by the white outline in both versions (much like the upper one is cut off in the KO), whereas for some reason it actually looks correctly printed on mine. Is this another one of the differences between the official runs?

Unsurprisingly, the figure itself is pretty much perfect and, if it's a KO, then I honestly cannot discern it from an official toy out of the box, which is perhaps to be expected given how good these generally are. I've already messaged the seller asking him when and where he got it, hopefully that will help, but until then I'd like to see what you guys think about this. Anyone else who's recently bought a MISB / MIB MP05 is willing to photograph it for comparison?



My reissue of mp-05 has the masterpiece lettering the same as yours.


The differences to identify it as a KO would have to be made on the figure itself. As my reissue from bbts has the same issue as yours in regards of the placement of the masterpiece lettering.
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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby Pilgrim76 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:55 am

So, from all the testimonies, my understanding is that first run of MP-5 box has the crisp and non-faded picture, second run seems to have a faded image (especially visible on the red velvet background) and a "misplaced" Masterpiece lettering (as compared to the first run).

Lena's box (an maybe other non legit MP-5, to be confirmed at some point) is still apart, with all the issues mentionned at the beginning of this thread (blurry pictures, abnormal shadows and outlines).

So, henriquedematos, it seems that your MP-5 is legit :)
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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby henriquedematos » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:51 am

Well, damn, this just got weirder. On one hand, I'm glad to see at the very least someone has a genuine MP05 with the same lettering placement. If it is official then I'm actually sort of impressed to have one with the same sort of rare oddity, there literally isn't a single image on Google that corresponds with our boxes. But on the other hand, well... Is it just me or that one has the white border intersecting the canon's shadow? Like the KO at the beginning of this thread and therefore unlike mine?

What a crapshoot, how many different boxes are there?! >:oP
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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby Pilgrim76 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:11 am

To my eyes the white borders and canon's shadow overlaps are much more obvious on my MP-5 (from Lena) than on Deathsaurus' (from BBTS). On mine, the shadow was easily 3 or 4 mm thick, on deathsaurus' it seems to be no more thick than a hairline.

Given these evidences, my interpretation is that Takara, for some reason, had to redo the composition of the box illustrations for the 2nd run, resulting in misplaced text and faded pictures as compared to the first run. If this is true, it makes identifying MP-5 KOs quite difficult on the sole basis of the box, sadly.

One of the reasons why you can't find pictures of MP-5 boxes similar to your and Deathsaurus is maybe because most of them were taken from the first run, when it was a novelty. If needed, this could be easily verified by looking at the post date of the pictures you are looking at (If I am correct, first run is from 2007, second from 2010 or 2011).

Yet, I really dig having access to pictures clearly showing, side by side, a comparison between boxes from 1st & 2nd run (and better, from a legit toy and an alleged KO toy). I am considering purchasing - again - a MP-5, and so far, as most of us, I have no clear basis to discriminate a legit from a fake one (and yes, I already own a MP-36, I am just a completionist ;) ).

I am more and more convinced that many fake MP-5s are sold on ebay by honest sellers, being persudaded that they are legit... because they probably purchased themselves their MP-5 from unreliable sources, with the false certainty that this mold had never been KOed :(
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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby Deathsaurus1 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:11 am

Pilgrim76 wrote:To my eyes the white borders and canon's shadow overlaps are much more obvious on my MP-5 (from Lena) than on Deathsaurus' (from BBTS). On mine, the shadow was easily 3 or 4 mm thick, on deathsaurus' it seems to be no more thick than a hairline.

Given these evidences, my interpretation is that Takara, for some reason, had to redo the composition of the box illustrations for the 2nd run, resulting in misplaced text and faded pictures as compared to the first run. If this is true, it makes identifying MP-5 KOs quite difficult on the sole basis of the box, sadly.

One of the reasons why you can't find pictures of MP-5 boxes similar to your and Deathsaurus is maybe because most of them were taken from the first run, when it was a novelty. If needed, this could be easily verified by looking at the post date of the pictures you are looking at (If I am correct, first run is from 2007, second from 2010 or 2011).

Yet, I really dig having access to pictures clearly showing, side by side, a comparison between boxes from 1st & 2nd run (and better, from a legit toy and an alleged KO toy). I am considering purchasing - again - a MP-5, and so far, as most of us, I have no clear basis to discriminate a legit from a fake one (and yes, I already own a MP-36, I am just a completionist ;) ).

I am more and more convinced that many fake MP-5s are sold on ebay by honest sellers, being persudaded that they are legit... because they probably purchased themselves their MP-5 from unreliable sources, with the false certainty that this mold had never been KOed :(

https://youtu.be/i-1gXchAt78

This video shows the reissue i have. Im thinking about asking the youtuber if he still has this mp-5 and if he can send pictures of the box/where he ordered it from.
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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby william-james88 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:10 pm

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I see the discussion and I just wanted to reiterate one thing, as far as we know, the contents are identical. Meaning that every MP05 out there is not a KO in the traditional sense. A KO means someone duplicated the mold through reverse engineering or stole it or whatnot. And we know the MP05 mold is still accounted for and was never replicated. The only issue is the legitimacy of the box, if that is even the case. At worst, it is overstock (so still a toy made by Takara) that was sold in a makeshift box explaining the differences.

You are of course all free to see things as you wish regarding how legitimate one release is to the next. But the more we investigate this whole issue with MP05, the more I am convinced that there are no KOs out there, at least in the proper definition of the term.
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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby Pilgrim76 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:47 pm

Hi WilliamJames, nice to see you around.

It seems that we are condemned to have this dscussion over and over again until the end of times ;)

I just want to kindly remind you that some chinese ebay sellers are listing MP-5 KOs. I even had an answer from a suspect ebay seller listing "Takara MP-5" toys confessing that they actually were KOs. All of this has been extensively reported in this thread with (now dead) links as references.

Unless you want to discuss that huge stocks of a long discontinued figure sold as KOs by chinese ebay sellers are actually not KOs, can we agree that MP-5 KOs are out there (I don't talk about the specific case of Lena's MP-5 here) ?

If yes, then you absolutely can't say that toys from fake boxes are the same than the original toy unless someone does a thorough comparison. Until then, this is an overstatement.
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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby william-james88 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:09 pm

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Pilgrim76 wrote:Hi WilliamJames, nice to see you around.

It seems that we are condemned to have this dscussion over and over again until the end of times ;)

I just want to kindly remind you that some chinese ebay sellers are listing MP-5 KOs. I even had an answer from a suspect ebay seller listing "Takara MP-5" toys confessing that they actually were KOs. All of this has been extensively reported in this thread with (now dead) links as references.

Unless you want to discuss that huge stocks of a long discontinued figure sold as KOs by chinese ebay sellers are actually not KOs, can we agree that MP-5 KOs are out there (I don't talk about the specific case of Lena's MP-5 here) ?

If yes, then you absolutely can't say that toys from fake boxes are the same than the original toy unless someone does a thorough comparison. Until then, this is an overstatement.

I see, I was referring to Lena's MP 5, which has had a few thorough comparisons (allegedly) and came back as identical to a release aquired through a more reputable seller. Thats mainly where I was getting at.

And yes, I would say that the huge stock of this discontinued figure sold as KOs is not a KO in the traditional sense. I totally get the seller labelling it as KO, it gives awareness to the user that this has not been made in a production run set for selling through more legitimate channels. But as far as we know, if the materials and the mold is identical then the only difference is that the production was not solicited by Takara. Wouldnt that technically make them stolen goods rather than KOs? If I am right about this, I mean.

I just feel KO isnt nailing it well. I too would very much like a thorough comparison of the contents of every version out there so we could get a better assessment of the situation.

And I am happy to see you here too :) Please, feel free to visit the other threads and let us know if you did buy more toys from the lat time we spoke :)
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Re: Masterpiece Megatron KO?

Postby Pilgrim76 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:24 pm

william-james88 wrote:I see, I was referring to Lena's MP 5, which has had a few thorough comparisons (allegedly) and came back as identical to a release aquired through a more reputable seller.


Actually it is quite the opposite : Lena's Box is still different from the 2 apparently identical boxes shown by Deathsaurus and henriquedematos ;)
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