Pilgrim76 wrote:Honestly it seems highly unlikely that Takara changed so much the quality of the illustrations.
There have been 2nd production runs of several MPs (Soundwave, MP-12 Lambor for example), and there has never been such quality drop in the illustrations.
Yet it would be great to have a picture of a MP-5 from 2nd production run purchased from a trusted seller. This would definitely confirm or rebuke that it is a KO.
[Edit] Another hint comes from the Gold version of MP-5, which is the most recent, and is exactly the same (Meg's color aside) as the original MP-5
Btw, how's the complaint you filed with PayPal/ebay?
fenrir72 wrote:
Gold Megatron. Somewhat different angle of the fusin canon but no overlap. Even at the distance, compare this to that of Ryan's ( I am assuming first release)
Robotkingdom water damaged 1st edition
(no over lap as you mentioned) so even RK can't tell the difference between the fist/2nd release so I'm guessing they are both the same using the same packaging negatives.
Compare that to yours. Though the resolution makes it hard to do a straight comparison, besides the gold color, almost no change in font quality except for the freshness/newness issue.
And what you mentioned the ruffled purple cloth
Batfan007 wrote:None of this thread so far actually proves that MP Megatron is a KO and not a factory reject.
I was hoping to get some more info on this, as the majority of toys sold by LENA on EBAY are factory rejects, NOT KO's.
Many Chinese sellers will list factory rejects as "KO's" so people don't complain about the minor defects from factory rejects of official toys.
skywarp-2 wrote:Okay, read the all the posts..
so I am confused..
Is the bot inside the box original, and the boxes a KO?
Or is this a 2nd Run from the Hasbro China Plant??
Or a total KO??
I own the original MP-05 first run.. gonna examine my box now..
Batfan007 wrote:fenrir72 wrote:
Gold Megatron. Somewhat different angle of the fusin canon but no overlap. Even at the distance, compare this to that of Ryan's ( I am assuming first release)
Robotkingdom water damaged 1st edition
(no over lap as you mentioned) so even RK can't tell the difference between the fist/2nd release so I'm guessing they are both the same using the same packaging negatives.
Compare that to yours. Though the resolution makes it hard to do a straight comparison, besides the gold color, almost no change in font quality except for the freshness/newness issue.
And what you mentioned the ruffled purple cloth
All of that just confims that the box is a **** quality scan /reproduction.
None of this thread so far actually proves that MP Megatron is a KO and not a factory reject.
I was hoping to get some more info on this, as the majority of toys sold by LENA on EBAY are factory rejects, NOT KO's.
Many Chinese sellers will list factory rejects as "KO's" so people don't complain about the minor defects from factory rejects of official toys.
All the other toys in the MP range that have been KO'd have had detailed analysis of differences, defects etc, but so far all I see for the MP Megatron is speculation.
Anyone have links to videos or anything with real information on this supposed MP Megs KO, it would be much appreciated so I can tell real from fake from factory reject, which are three distinct categories and should not be lumped together imo
fenrir72 wrote:Batfan007 wrote:fenrir72 wrote:
Gold Megatron. Somewhat different angle of the fusin canon but no overlap. Even at the distance, compare this to that of Ryan's ( I am assuming first release)
Robotkingdom water damaged 1st edition
(no over lap as you mentioned) so even RK can't tell the difference between the fist/2nd release so I'm guessing they are both the same using the same packaging negatives.
Compare that to yours. Though the resolution makes it hard to do a straight comparison, besides the gold color, almost no change in font quality except for the freshness/newness issue.
And what you mentioned the ruffled purple cloth
All of that just confims that the box is a **** quality scan /reproduction.
None of this thread so far actually proves that MP Megatron is a KO and not a factory reject.
I was hoping to get some more info on this, as the majority of toys sold by LENA on EBAY are factory rejects, NOT KO's.
Many Chinese sellers will list factory rejects as "KO's" so people don't complain about the minor defects from factory rejects of official toys.
All the other toys in the MP range that have been KO'd have had detailed analysis of differences, defects etc, but so far all I see for the MP Megatron is speculation.
Anyone have links to videos or anything with real information on this supposed MP Megs KO, it would be much appreciated so I can tell real from fake from factory reject, which are three distinct categories and should not be lumped together imo
Sake of argument that those are "rejects" So Takara just sells them off at a loss and leaves it to the "distributor" to make "poopy" box versions of their legit product? COME ON! Even the Feds know a fake from a fake. They have a task force cracking down on such similar consumer products.
Batfan007 wrote:Again , I have NO INTEREST IN A BOX.
What I was actually requesting any info, details, differences that confirm the MP Megatron TOY as fake's.
Such as imperfections, known issues and differences to the official mold.
If anyone has pics, videos etc please link to them.
Just saying "It's fake / not fake BECAUSE I SAY SO" is not what I am looking for. I like to know as much as possible about anything I may, or may not buy.
So anyone with actual information, or if you have one of these, then please share and talk about it.
william-james88 wrote:There is no difference between this Megatron and the official release when it comes to the toy. This toy is made from the same mold at the same factory using the same specifications as the latest official release. But this toy's production is not sanctioned by Takara and the box confirms that it is not an official release of the toy. So the toy was not allowed to have been made and sold to you. The factory is just making more to be sold on e-bay through Lena (for the casettes as well). And they are putting these unsolicited Megatrons in fake boxes.
So the toy is the same as the others, but it is still an unoficial release and the box is fake. Which makes it illigitimate at a corporate standpoint. You are buying an unathorized release.
These are the facts and anyone can choose where they lie on their morality in face of them. Some have chosen to see this as the real toy since it is made the exact same way as the previous releases (and thus not a KO) and others have chosen to label it a KO since its not a legitimate release.
One thing for certain is that if anyone resells this knowing these facts, and does not disclose that the box is fake and that this is not a toy from any actual official production run then they are purposefully lieing to the consumer.
TLDR: The toy itself is the same quality as the previous Takara releases but it is an illigitimate release.
Pilgrim76 wrote:Let's say it again, confirmed facts are : Box is fake. Toy is unlicensed. Same MP-05 is sold by - at least - another ebay seller as KO.
To my knowledge, nobody ever reported that official "overruns" or "reruns" were repackaged in fake boxes. And fake box being a common features of TF KOs, the probability the toy itself being a KO is high.
I would argue that saying that the toy is real and the box is fake NEEDS SOLID PROOF (IMO, much more than when saying that the toy is fake when the box is fake...).
On a side note : I did not open my fake MP-5, as I intend to sell it as "MISB KO MP5" to anyone interested, so I won't be able to make a comparison. But I know for sure that some forum users have a MP-5 purchased from Lena, so thay may be able to do an objective comparison is they have access to a legit MP-5 ?
william-james88 wrote:Pilgrim76 wrote:Let's say it again, confirmed facts are : Box is fake. Toy is unlicensed. Same MP-05 is sold by - at least - another ebay seller as KO.
To my knowledge, nobody ever reported that official "overruns" or "reruns" were repackaged in fake boxes. And fake box being a common features of TF KOs, the probability the toy itself being a KO is high.
I would argue that saying that the toy is real and the box is fake NEEDS SOLID PROOF (IMO, much more than when saying that the toy is fake when the box is fake...).
On a side note : I did not open my fake MP-5, as I intend to sell it as "MISB KO MP5" to anyone interested, so I won't be able to make a comparison. But I know for sure that some forum users have a MP-5 purchased from Lena, so thay may be able to do an objective comparison is they have access to a legit MP-5 ?
The Toy being unlicensed is not a confirmed fact. The release is illigitimate, proven by the box, but a toy being licensed is is up for debate. What makes a toy physically real and not a copy or a fake is the mold use. And it really seems like the factory linked with Lena is using the real legitimate mold from Takara.
It is a fact that the molds for the MPs of BUmblebee and prior were left in China and not sent to Vietnam. John Warden of Hasbro had commented on that, and transporting molds is extreamly costly soit is cost effective to leave the production of toys using older molds in the chinese factories. And Lena is perfectly synched with those releases. Lena had nothing new to offer fora long time last year. But then Takara decided to rerelease MP Bumblebee in red and do their version of Best Hunters Dreadwing. Both of those are older molds and thus they were made in china rather than vietnam. Those also happen to be the only new toys Lena is selling. That is no coincidence. While those may be extra copies or factory rejects (the Dreadwings all have a messed up paint job on their faces), it shows us that Lena is definitely linked to the chinese factory holding these official and legitimate Transformers molds.
So looking at that, it makes far more sense that the factory is using the legitimate MP Megatron mold (which had been cleaned up recently to make the gold Megatron) to make the MP Megatrons we see sold on Lena. They were most probably not told to make more and Takara most probably sees none of the money when one is sold, making it all illigitimate from a business point of view. But them using the same mold means this toy is licensed. Because if the toys ss the same as the original release in terms of production, and that toy was licensed, then its all just semantics.
Anyways, there was an analysis done by Jordan Rouse of the Talk Transformers facebook group who wanted to make sure his toy was legitimate (he had bought from Lena) and it turns out to be exactly the same to the legitimate releases. However, as I argued with him, that doesnt mean he has a legitimate release since his box is fake.
Looking at all the evidence presented, what makes most sense to me is that the factoy kept making more toys using the legit molds to make some extra money. Same with the casettes.
Manolo Peguero
i have both his actually not a knock off he was remade in a hasbro shop factory similar ti mp09. oh and the quality is exactly the same
The Toy being unlicensed is not a confirmed fact. The release is illigitimate, proven by the box, but a toy being licensed is is up for debate. What makes a toy physically real and not a copy or a fake is the mold use.
And it really seems like the factory linked with Lena is using the real legitimate mold from Takara.
So looking at that, it makes far more sense that the factory is using the legitimate MP Megatron mold (which had been cleaned up recently to make the gold Megatron) to make the MP Megatrons we see sold on Lena. They were most probably not told to make more and Takara most probably sees none of the money when one is sold, making it all illigitimate from a business point of view.
But them using the same mold means this toy is licensed.
Because if the toys ss the same as the original release in terms of production, and that toy was licensed, then its all just semantics.
Anyways, there was an analysis done by Jordan Rouse of the Talk Transformers facebook group who wanted to make sure his toy was legitimate (he had bought from Lena) and it turns out to be exactly the same to the legitimate releases. However, as I argued with him, that doesnt mean he has a legitimate release since his box is fake.
Looking at all the evidence presented, what makes most sense to me is that the factoy kept making more toys using the legit molds to make some extra money. Same with the casettes.
Hmmmm... interesting.. Now I have the Original Release of the MP-05 when it first came out, same with the MP-01 I have the first run of that from Takara Tomy as well..
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