Pilgrim76 wrote:Looking at all the evidence presented, what makes most sense to me is that the factoy kept making more toys using the legit molds to make some extra money. Same with the casettes.
Yup. So they are stricly unlicensed and fakes (but I agree, everyone will define fake differently, for me as for most of collectors, fake=unlicensed).
Yeah I can definitely agree on those points. If the licensing is release based then sure these toys can be see as unlicensed from a legal standpoint. What is hard though is those that will sell these toys loose.
And judging from everything else beign sold by Lena and the perfect synch with Chinese produced transformers I am certain that everything sold by Lena is made using the same molds as the original releases. I am not tryign to convine anyone, I just want to state that I have chosen to believe looking at the facts, like the fact that Lena only sells toys of molds that are based in a chinese Hasbro factory pretty much seals the deal for me as to what is going on. There is no proof either way (and there willnever be until one of us goes to the factory in person), but one is more logical. The reverse would have more assumptions so Occam's razor points to the factory suppying Lena TF toys using official molds rather than reverse egineering toys and making their own molds (which is the definition of a KO).
The analysis was not published nor was it detailed, it was just someone saying that they found no discernable difference between what they got from Lena and the toy they got originally when it came out.
And skywarp-2, Hasbro and Takara use the same factory. They have to since they use the same molds and those arent transported around.