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That Bot wrote:I can live with the explosions and the ugly robots. I have to draw the line at the excess of body humor. I feel like that drags the movies down a LOT.

Capt.Failure wrote:Not sure. Honestly I don't care if he cares. The last thing I want in a Transformers movie is a fan directing or producing it. I have never seen a movie adaptation made by a fan that was good.

It's not that I want it to be directed by a fan, but SOMEBODY with a little more respect for what Transformers are besides giant robots that turn into cars. I want to see characters, not just bodies. And I don't want another trashy movie to commemorate the 30th anniversary of this franchise.

Problem is they aren't "trashy," you just didn't like them.

Other problem is, and this is from an honest fan perspective, Transformers is a very shallow franchise. There is frankly not a lot to work with other than one dimensional characters and convoluted, plotless story archs. The films had about the same characterization as any cartoon or comic. Every Transformer except Prime and Megatron is essentially a voice and a copy-paste character archetype with no development. Before you mention Beast Wars that was an anomaly, not the norm.

You just described G1. Most shows since then have at least run on long enough to where they were forced to give the characters personality beyond basic archetypes. They weren't all deep like Beast Wars, I suffer no delusions to the contrary. And lack of consequential previous characterization is not an excuse to take away what little they had for a 2 hour movie. The idea that the Transformers live action movies are bad may be just an opinion, but it's a common opinion with a lot of evidence to support the claims. Does the fact that the franchise made a collective $2 billion excuse their poorness? No. Did I see all 3 movies in theaters (thereby contributing to that $2 billion) because I love me some giant robots and don't learn my lesson? Yes. Will I see Transformers 4? Most likely. Will I continue to maintain my grievances about the first three? Yes.

That Bot wrote:You just described G1. Most shows since then have at least run on long enough to where they were forced to give the characters personality beyond basic archetypes. They weren't all deep like Beast Wars, I suffer no delusions to the contrary. And lack of consequential previous characterization is not an excuse to take away what little they had for a 2 hour movie. The idea that the Transformers live action movies are bad may be just an opinion, but it's a common opinion with a lot of evidence to support the claims. Does the fact that the franchise made a collective $2 billion excuse their poorness? No. Did I see all 3 movies in theaters (thereby contributing to that $2 billion) because I love me some giant robots and don't learn my lesson? Yes. Will I see Transformers 4? Most likely. Will I continue to maintain my grievances about the first three? Yes.

If the common opinion of the movies were bad they wouldn't have made billions of dollars. The common opinion of Batman and Robin was bad and it flopped. What evidence is there that the movies are in fact bad? All I've heard is a lot of opinions that try to come off as fact. Usually it's a lot of nitpicking and ridiculous meaningless adjectives.

That Bot wrote:You just described G1. Most shows since then have at least run on long enough to where they were forced to give the characters personality beyond basic archetypes.

Look at me with a straight face and tell me that any Transformers series besides Beast Wars has character development.

They weren't all deep like Beast Wars, I suffer no delusions to the contrary. And lack of consequential previous characterization is not an excuse to take away what little they had for a 2 hour movie.

How do you characterize people with nothing to build on when trying to remain faithful to source material? They can't even redesign the Transformers without people like you ranting and raving like psychotic fanboys.

The idea that the Transformers live action movies are bad may be just an opinion, but it's a common opinion with a lot of evidence to support the claims.

Common among elitist critics and their pseudo-intellectual ilk maybe. Also evidence that is subjective is not evidence. Hate to break it to you.

Does the fact that the franchise made a collective $2 billion excuse their poorness?

So when the majority opinion of critics hate it they're right. But when the majority of viewers like it they're wrong? There's a slight flaw in your logic there.

Did I see all 3 movies in theaters (thereby contributing to that $2 billion) because I love me some giant robots and don't learn my lesson? Yes. Will I see Transformers 4? Most likely. Will I continue to maintain my grievances about the first three? Yes.

You're sounding more like a masochist than a fan if you went to see three movies you hated and will see a fourth. It's like hating Call of Duty while taking part in an MLG tournament.

Capt.Failure wrote:

That Bot wrote:You just described G1. Most shows since then have at least run on long enough to where they were forced to give the characters personality beyond basic archetypes.

Look at me with a straight face and tell me that any Transformers series besides Beast Wars has character development.

Animated.

Am I the only one that thinks ALL Transformers, no matter the continuation or story line, is awesome? Every story line has its flaws, wether it be G1, Beast Wars or the live actions. No matter what story line, I enjoy it. Yeah, my personal preferences lean toward G1 and Beast Wars, but Michael Bay and the live actions brought an entire new generation into the fanbase and gave us some crazy good new toys. Does that make them better than the "oldies"? Do the plot holes from the live actions make them worse than the others? In my opinion, neither. They are what they are and should be enjoyed as such.

IHide wrote:Am I the only one that thinks ALL Transformers, no matter the continuation or story line, is awesome? Every story line has its flaws, wether it be G1, Beast Wars or the live actions. No matter what story line, I enjoy it. Yeah, my personal preferences lean toward G1 and Beast Wars, but Michael Bay and the live actions brought an entire new generation into the fanbase and gave us some crazy good new toys. Does that make them better than the "oldies"? Do the plot holes from the live actions make them worse than the others? In my opinion, neither. They are what they are and should be enjoyed as such.

You're what's called a "reasonable fan," something that's a rare find in the Transformers fandom. The fandom needs more people like you, honestly.

Capt.Failure wrote:

IHide wrote:Am I the only one that thinks ALL Transformers, no matter the continuation or story line, is awesome? Every story line has its flaws, wether it be G1, Beast Wars or the live actions. No matter what story line, I enjoy it. Yeah, my personal preferences lean toward G1 and Beast Wars, but Michael Bay and the live actions brought an entire new generation into the fanbase and gave us some crazy good new toys. Does that make them better than the "oldies"? Do the plot holes from the live actions make them worse than the others? In my opinion, neither. They are what they are and should be enjoyed as such.

You're what's called a "reasonable fan," something that's a rare find in the Transformers fandom. The fandom needs more people like you, honestly.

Thanks!!!