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Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby DavidT » Sun May 29, 2011 10:05 am

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Nelson over at shootfortheedit.com claims that the red ferrari in DOTM isn't Mirage! Nelson says the red robot "speaks with an Italian accent and is named after a famous Italian"... Check out the forum discussion by clicking the link below!

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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby Shockwave. » Sun May 29, 2011 10:27 am

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Nelson is kidding! :lol: If Nelson really right then it may not be Mirage but some other autobot looking line Mirage or that red ferrari must be Hot rod or Rodimus prime. :D
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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby El Duque » Sun May 29, 2011 11:22 am

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Your fellow Seibertronian DavidT has found an interesting bit of information over on Michael Bay's Shoot for Edit forums. As he often does the site's adim nelson has dropped a cryptic clue regarding Transformers DOTM. It seems the red Ferrari revealed to be Mirage through Hasbro's official toy images and referenced as such in the comics may not be Mirage after all. nelson had this say over at Shoot for the Edit:

Originally Posted by nelson
All I will say is that he speaks with an Italian accent and is named after a famous Italian.


Originally Posted by nelson
Denial isn't just a river in Africa. I mean, do you guys prefer being lied to? It seems you're nicer when lied to.


Originally Posted by nelson
That doesn't mean ****.In the comic and novels the twins are still in it.


Originally Posted by nelson
Don't act dumb. You know I'm talking about the red Ferrari.


As you can see in his posts quoted above nelson states the red Ferrari will speak with an Italian accent and bare the name of a famous Italian. Truth or misinformation campaign? If accurate what could his new "famous Italian" name be? Speculate away here!
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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby Manterax Prime » Sun May 29, 2011 11:37 am

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Toy already released that says Mirage.... I call shenanigans on Nelson's part
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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby dabattousai » Sun May 29, 2011 11:43 am

His name is Mario. Nintendo is already filing... 8)
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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby DavidT » Sun May 29, 2011 11:47 am

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IgnikaMarcus wrote:Toy already released that says Mirage.... I call shenanigans on Nelson's part


But... that toy was a different kind of Farrari :-?
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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby Shockwave. » Sun May 29, 2011 12:08 pm

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Hey i this that nelson is right! :shock: I am saying this because the autobot in this image does NOT look like Ferrari 458 Italia!!!! If you look at that autobots car hood closely you will find what what i am saying. ;) It looks more like a Audi R8 :D :BOT:

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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby CrimsonPrime » Sun May 29, 2011 12:09 pm

dabattousai wrote:His name is Mario. Nintendo is already filing... 8)


Lmao xD ! Damn that would be hilarious lol.

I think nelson is playing around with us but...I am concerned about the italian accent part...Cause for all we know Mirage might have that :BANG_HEAD: :BANG_HEAD: :BOOM:
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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby T-Macksimus » Sun May 29, 2011 12:15 pm

Just from that brief snippet of the trailer you can tell the exact scene in the novel (which is adapted from the screenplay) where this takes place and guess what?? Yup, it's MIRAGE! Wheeljack, 'Bee and 'Swipe will be in that scene as well. I know, I know...the novel and the final Movie are not often the same even when adapted straight from the screenplay but everything else jives so far. All the other scenes from all the other trailers, sneak-peeks and whatever have meshed so I'm calling BS on this one. Bay and Nelson are screwing with us again (or rather, still)
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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby Shockwave. » Sun May 29, 2011 12:41 pm

Motto: ""Let's hit the road decpticons, We have a planet to destroy!""
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Hey i just found another thing! :D If you look in this trailer at 0:15 seconds, You will see a military tank behind Mirage which looks like decpticon Brawl or Buldgeon. You will also see that Mirage is pointing out his swords "knives, etc" to a soilder fallen on the ground. And behind the soilder look at the right side bottom of your PC screen you will see soilders aiming at mirage with some of their weapons.
This means that the transformer with red colour is not Mirage but a Decpticon /:) Or, This must be shot at that time when Mirage just reached earth and the military is surrounded him so that mirage dosen't run away or destroy anything. OR, They must have surrounded mirage to make sure that he is an autobot or a decpticon. :-$ Same thing also happened to bumblebee when he was caught by sector 7 agents. Btw, We just need to see the movie to figure it out. :D
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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby MrMunkeepants » Sun May 29, 2011 12:44 pm

dabattousai wrote:His name is Mario. Nintendo is already filing... 8)

Mario is too obvious, so they went with something a little more subtle... and the visual changes, well those are non-copyrightable cultural stereotypes!
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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby alexison » Sun May 29, 2011 1:11 pm

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This Nelson guy really puts me off.

I'd say it's Mirage. Next time Nelson will proclaim Shockwave isn't in the movie.
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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby OlivusPrime » Sun May 29, 2011 1:28 pm

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I think so much of the misinformation hasn't worked for this film that they're trying to make up for it now.

Still, if he isn't called Mirage, I'll be pissed. I like the idea of an italian accent though - elegant and upper class, just like Mirage.

If he's called Luciano Pavarotti, I quit.
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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby El Duque » Sun May 29, 2011 1:32 pm

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I'd wager nelson is correct on this. Remember the Brawl/Devastator fiasco in the first movie? The name on the toy and the name that gets used in the movie aren't necessarily the same. Plus there are a lot of inconsistencies between the comics and movies. In "Rising Storm" Wheeljack clearly has a G1 inspired head, in the movie he looks like Einstein.

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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby _I_Am_Megatron_ » Sun May 29, 2011 1:39 pm

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Is this Nelson guy on the DOTM crew?
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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby El Duque » Sun May 29, 2011 1:53 pm

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_I_Am_Megatron_ wrote:Is this Nelson guy on the DOTM crew?


He's the site administrator for the Shoot for the Edit forums on Bay's Official website, and Bay's right hand man if you will.
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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby craggy » Sun May 29, 2011 2:04 pm

El Duque wrote:
_I_Am_Megatron_ wrote:Is this Nelson guy on the DOTM crew?


He's the site administrator for the Shoot for the Edit forums on Bay's Official website, and Bay's right hand man if you will.


that joke is too easy. Indistinct Red Mess is not called Mirage? I am concerned. Mightly so. I may even need to change my pantaloons.
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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby Mindmaster » Sun May 29, 2011 2:16 pm

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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby craggy » Sun May 29, 2011 2:17 pm

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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby shamone » Sun May 29, 2011 2:26 pm

i would have said leo if he wasnt a character in the second movie

maybe luigi
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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby _I_Am_Megatron_ » Sun May 29, 2011 2:56 pm

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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby _I_Am_Megatron_ » Sun May 29, 2011 2:56 pm

Weapon: Fusion Cannon
Oops, sorry.
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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby budmaloney » Sun May 29, 2011 3:00 pm

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I still can't comprehend how it's Mirage!
I just want to know, why is hasbro screwing up the characters and color schemes.
it just seems like "I'm Bay, I have to be different, instead of a red sideswide, we make him silver, black ironhide, green ratchet, and rainbow devastator!!!"
Did they not learn? The first 2 movies were sub par (yes even 1st movie from a Tf fan point of view, it barely had any transformers in it) , and the second one, we all agree was, monkey doody.
Bringing Shockwave, and finally actual guns (mech tech) for transformers was a good idea, optimus having a trailer again, appealing to fan base. But Mirage, being a Ferrari and RED!!! Every single fan on this forum speculated this could be Hot Rod, it HAS TO BE RIGHT? I mean he has all the checks
- red ...check
- sleek....check
- not crappy GM car and an actual amazing vehicle.... check
- killing optimus and having the wrath of all humanity bestowed upon him....in progress we'll see if he does it in this film.

but back to my point. Logically it's hotrod right? but we have word it's Mirage. So when a movie screws your logic up, it's usually a bad sign.
And what's with his Decepticon look, and threatning design. And now we have word it's not Mirage!!! I smell a trick.

on that note, why is Shockwave's loading of his weapon in his trailer sound exactly like Megatron's firing canon in ROTF 3 v 1 scene. Did they run out of sounds?


I'll have to wait and see, but regarding what an Italian accent is and famous Italian , name , I'd say Mario is better than a dry hump character called Mirage.
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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby Covenant » Sun May 29, 2011 3:28 pm

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Re: Mirage isn't Mirage in DOTM?

Postby SoooTrypticon » Sun May 29, 2011 3:38 pm

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But surely such detailed and carefully plotted character work has been done, that changing a little thing like a name couldn't possibly hurt the story, right?

Ah, wait, that would be supposing that:

1: The robots had anything resembling character beyond outrageous accents.

2: The story relied on robot characters to make meaningful decisions beyond blowing stuff up.

3: That there was anything resembling a story, let alone one as half as complex as the animated film from 1986.

I would stand to wager that if you switched out Megatron's name for Shockwave's and visa versa, the story wouldn't change at all- because they'll both be portrayed as one dimensional slobbering goons.

Character doesn't exist in these films, so no one should be surprised at last minute name changes- because all of the robots are interchangeable in their actions and motivations.
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