My take on the Cyclonus + his armada problem.
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:40 pm
Hi, this is my new fanon theory on the famous G1 movie problem of Cyclonus, his Armada, Scourge, the Sweeps and the Insecticons etc.
*EDIT*
I have totally disowned my previous explaination for this. It was way too complicated and countained errors (the "blue generic" seen falling from Astrotrain is obviously just a miscoloured Bombshell, when watched in slow motion).
My new explanation is much simpler -
Each of the old characters seen falling from Astrotrain, become the following characters inside Unicron -
Megatron ----> Galvatron
Thundercracker ----> Scourge
Skywarp ----> Armada ----> Sweep 3 ----> Skywarp (Later changed back into Skywarp somehow in 3H Wreckers comic.)
Bombshell ----> Cyclonus
Shrapnel ----> Sweep 1
Kickback ----> Sweep 2
Thundercracker, Skywarp and the Insecticons are seen alive but damaged, aboard Astrotrain before being thrown out. -
Basically I think that in the following brief scene, where we see Cyclonus, his Armada, Scourge and FOUR Sweeps, it is due to the fact that two of the newly created Sweeps still have their Insecticon powers of cloning. The Kickback and Shrapnel Sweeps have each cloned themselves once as a display of their powers. This gives 5 Scourge clones all together (including Scourge) (1 Scourge + 2 Sweeps + 2 Clones = 5). -
I am in the camp that thinks Skywarp became the Armada robot, while Bombshell became Cyclonus. I think that shortly after the initial creation of the new soldiers for Galvatron, Unicron changed his mind about the command setup. At first he wanted a 1 x Galvatron, 2 x Cyclonus types, 3 x Scourge types setup, but he canged this to wanting only 1 Cyclonus type as the second in command to Galvatron. Therefore soon after his transformation into the Cyclonus looking Armada bot, Skywarp was changed again, off camera, into the 3rd Sweep which is then seen leaving Unicron along with the rest of them. The previous 2 Sweep clones which were briefly seen did not leave Unicron for the new ship. We know from the Insecticons in previous episodes, that clones only have power when commanded by the Insecticon which created them. I think these 2 clones were not instantly required so were dumped soon after creation, as a display of the Sweeps cloning powers for Unicron to take note of.
So we see Galvatron, Cyclonus, Scourge and 3 Sweeps leaving Unicron for the new Decepticon ship.
Because Cyclonus was previously Bombshell, he also retains the ability to create clones of himself, which act like puppets of his will.
At least 4 Cyclonus clones (plus actual Cyclonus) are seen in Five faces of Darkness part 5. -
So Cyclonus and 2 of the Sweeps can clone themselves, which explains the random multiplication of Sweeps and, more rarely, Cyclonus clones that we see in Series 3 of Transformers.
As noted above, at some point, through unknown means, the 3rd Sweep was restored back to his Skywarp self in the 3H comic. Cyclonus and the restored Skywarp are shown together. -
At Starscream's coronation, other Seekers and Insecticons are seen. I think this is because the Seekers and Insecticons (and possibly the Constructicons), are specific races of Decepticons. There are many of them. Any Thundercrackers, Skywarps or Insecticons that we see later in the movie, are just members of these extended races and are not those specific characters which we saw transformed inside Unicron. -
Thanks for reading my fanon explanation. I have officially fixed the movie!...well that bit of it.
*EDIT*
I have totally disowned my previous explaination for this. It was way too complicated and countained errors (the "blue generic" seen falling from Astrotrain is obviously just a miscoloured Bombshell, when watched in slow motion).
My new explanation is much simpler -
Each of the old characters seen falling from Astrotrain, become the following characters inside Unicron -
Megatron ----> Galvatron
Thundercracker ----> Scourge
Skywarp ----> Armada ----> Sweep 3 ----> Skywarp (Later changed back into Skywarp somehow in 3H Wreckers comic.)
Bombshell ----> Cyclonus
Shrapnel ----> Sweep 1
Kickback ----> Sweep 2
Thundercracker, Skywarp and the Insecticons are seen alive but damaged, aboard Astrotrain before being thrown out. -
Basically I think that in the following brief scene, where we see Cyclonus, his Armada, Scourge and FOUR Sweeps, it is due to the fact that two of the newly created Sweeps still have their Insecticon powers of cloning. The Kickback and Shrapnel Sweeps have each cloned themselves once as a display of their powers. This gives 5 Scourge clones all together (including Scourge) (1 Scourge + 2 Sweeps + 2 Clones = 5). -
I am in the camp that thinks Skywarp became the Armada robot, while Bombshell became Cyclonus. I think that shortly after the initial creation of the new soldiers for Galvatron, Unicron changed his mind about the command setup. At first he wanted a 1 x Galvatron, 2 x Cyclonus types, 3 x Scourge types setup, but he canged this to wanting only 1 Cyclonus type as the second in command to Galvatron. Therefore soon after his transformation into the Cyclonus looking Armada bot, Skywarp was changed again, off camera, into the 3rd Sweep which is then seen leaving Unicron along with the rest of them. The previous 2 Sweep clones which were briefly seen did not leave Unicron for the new ship. We know from the Insecticons in previous episodes, that clones only have power when commanded by the Insecticon which created them. I think these 2 clones were not instantly required so were dumped soon after creation, as a display of the Sweeps cloning powers for Unicron to take note of.
So we see Galvatron, Cyclonus, Scourge and 3 Sweeps leaving Unicron for the new Decepticon ship.
Because Cyclonus was previously Bombshell, he also retains the ability to create clones of himself, which act like puppets of his will.
At least 4 Cyclonus clones (plus actual Cyclonus) are seen in Five faces of Darkness part 5. -
So Cyclonus and 2 of the Sweeps can clone themselves, which explains the random multiplication of Sweeps and, more rarely, Cyclonus clones that we see in Series 3 of Transformers.
As noted above, at some point, through unknown means, the 3rd Sweep was restored back to his Skywarp self in the 3H comic. Cyclonus and the restored Skywarp are shown together. -
At Starscream's coronation, other Seekers and Insecticons are seen. I think this is because the Seekers and Insecticons (and possibly the Constructicons), are specific races of Decepticons. There are many of them. Any Thundercrackers, Skywarps or Insecticons that we see later in the movie, are just members of these extended races and are not those specific characters which we saw transformed inside Unicron. -
Thanks for reading my fanon explanation. I have officially fixed the movie!...well that bit of it.