Rodimus Prime wrote:Wow, what a finish. I'm usually not 1 for road races, but this 1 had a hell of an ending. I'm just glad that idiot Keselowski didn't win. I like Marcos Ambrose, glad he made it 2 in a row. Keselowski, what a retard. Kyle dominated and should have had the win. I hope NASCAR does something about Keselowski, especially since he even said he would do something after the Nationwide race yesterday. He wrecked Kyle on purpose. He could have backed off, doesn't matter what he says. I wonder if the suits are going to punish him or just let him get away with it. Also, I feel bad for Tony Stewart, he was tearing up the track before that spin. @ Joonyer. Loser.
OptiMagnus wrote:That was one of the best finishes I've ever seen in NASCAR. I love when road races end like that, because it makes open wheel series seem even more boring.
And I have no sympathy for Kyle Busch. His bad luck is only a product of his actions last year. I'm sure he'll rebound next year though.
I think Keselowski was aggressive but didn't wreck Kyle on purpose. They both went for the same space at the same time, and Brad wasn't just going to slam on the brakes to let Kyle move up in front of him, especially with Marcos Ambrose breathing down his neck already.
I will commend him for being a good sport after the race though.
And I feel really bad for both Tony Stewart and Jeff Gordon.
And yes, Dale Jr has found yet another reason to give his own fans less credibility. He did admit he made a mistake, though.
OptiMagnus wrote:That was one of the best finishes I've ever seen in NASCAR. I love when road races end like that, because it makes open wheel series seem even more boring.
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Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
5150 Cruiser wrote:What is the apeal of Nascar for you guys and why the hate for open wheel racing? I'm honestly curous to know what it is that many find apealing in this sport.
Rodimus Prime wrote:I can't answer in terms of stock cars vs. open wheel, because I never cared about open wheel. I don't hate it, I just never saw the appeal. The cars seem too flimsy and they're pretty much all the same. NASCAR stock cars, though near identical in construction, all look different and unique. It makes for a lot less bland visual experience.
On the surface, it looks like a bunch of rednecks driving around in a circle. Anyone who says and believes that is just plain ignorant.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
5150 Cruiser wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:I can't answer in terms of stock cars vs. open wheel, because I never cared about open wheel. I don't hate it, I just never saw the appeal. The cars seem too flimsy and they're pretty much all the same. NASCAR stock cars, though near identical in construction, all look different and unique. It makes for a lot less bland visual experience.
Really? I don't see how you can claim every open wheel car looks the same but each nascar has its own individual look. I guess i'm speaking more along the lines of F1 than cart or indy. F1 cars clearly have differentr wing planes and designs based on each teams interpatations of the rules. I just don't see how Nascar is any more unquie car to car than F1 or any other form of open wheel racing.
On the surface, it looks like a bunch of rednecks driving around in a circle. Anyone who says and believes that is just plain ignorant.
I agree that it more than just that. BUt i guess its just watching them going around in a circle that i have a hard time watching.
It takes a long time, perhaps even the course of an entire season (36 races) to understand all the things going on. The drivers themselves are actually a small part of the entire operation of a race team. Though they do the most crucial part on race day, that's all they do, besides maybe public and sponsor-related appearances. Racecars get built from scratch depending on the track style (of which are many) the race takes place on. You can't take a car to Bristol that you took to Talladega.
Oh i get whats going on. Everything you said about the drivers is true of any form of motorsports. Its a team effort for sure. Most cars in any fom of professionsl motorsports gets torn down and completely rebuilt for each track. ANd if it rains and your on a dry setup, your screwed. That reminds me, does Nascar race in the rain? NOt being smart just honestly asking.
OptiMagnus wrote:Actually, I think NASCAR Sprint Cup Cars all look exactly the same; big flat boxes with wheels. And they're supposed to, but the 2013 cars will definitely alleviate that. The Nationwide Series cars all look different until you get to the A-pillar, and the Trucks all look the same albeit the grille now. Yes, they each have manufacturer identity with decals and barely visible body lines on the hood unlike open-wheel cars, but since the early 90's they've all begun to look the same. I guess it's to equalize everything, but it doesn't really give manufacturers a fair chance to show off their products. I will say the 2011-12 car is an improvement from the '07-'10 car though. That thing was atrocious.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
5150 Cruiser wrote:OptiMagnus wrote:Actually, I think NASCAR Sprint Cup Cars all look exactly the same; big flat boxes with wheels. And they're supposed to, but the 2013 cars will definitely alleviate that. The Nationwide Series cars all look different until you get to the A-pillar, and the Trucks all look the same albeit the grille now. Yes, they each have manufacturer identity with decals and barely visible body lines on the hood unlike open-wheel cars, but since the early 90's they've all begun to look the same. I guess it's to equalize everything, but it doesn't really give manufacturers a fair chance to show off their products. I will say the 2011-12 car is an improvement from the '07-'10 car though. That thing was atrocious.
That's the one thing that a hate about Nascar. They've strayed so much afar from where they started. Back in the 60's, Nascar truly represented there street counterparts. A charger was that. A charger. Not a tube chassis 2 door version with stickers as headlamps. They used the engines that actually were available in the street version. Manufacturers used to "bend the rules" and create a limited edition cars with motor and aerodynamic upgrades so there cars could pass as productions cars. Gave us some pretty trick rides. Until the new charger there wasn't even a rear wheel drive car from the manufacturers that nascar's were based on.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
5150 Cruiser wrote:Its not about tube chassis. Its the fact that the cars back then represented an actual car. The charger was still a charger. Galaxy was still a Galaxy. Now the only simularites the race cars share with the street versions is the name. STreet version of the Impala is front drive V6 4 dor. Race version is rear drive V8 2 door. Same with the Toyota Camery, Dodge Intrepid, Ford Fusion etc.
It really wasn't about saftely that brought on the Tube chassis. BUt to make things an even playing field across the board. Yes, a tube chassis is safer than just the steel bodies and rol bars of yester years, but with today's technology with cage building and chassis work, you can sit is possible to attain a safe race car without a tube chassis.
OptiMagnus wrote:Well, it's safe to say a certain pit crew is going to have some a lot of 'splainin' to do.
njb902 wrote:Gordon looked on top of the world after that race, hell he may have topped Bowyer on the excitement scale.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Honestly, I think it was Dave Rogers' fault. He should have had Kyle come in with the others. He was trying to win the race, and lost sight of the big picture, which was to stay ahead of Gordon. Then again, I'll put a little blame on Kyle as well, he was in control of the car, if he wanted to come in really bad, he should have just done so. Rogers might have been pissed, but at least they'd be in the Chase.
njb902 wrote:Eh if I was Kyle Busch I'd be more worried about getting my head in order than not making the chase. After his little stunt last fall he hasn't been the same. Hell Brad keslowsky(sp) is doing a better impression of Kyle than Kyle is. I don't like Kyle but I'd rather see him race hard than be timid. Obviously you can't do crap like he did to be parked, but sheesh it's like he was put in the corner and is sulking.
OptiMagnus wrote:njb902 wrote:Eh if I was Kyle Busch I'd be more worried about getting my head in order than not making the chase. After his little stunt last fall he hasn't been the same. Hell Brad keslowsky(sp) is doing a better impression of Kyle than Kyle is. I don't like Kyle but I'd rather see him race hard than be timid. Obviously you can't do crap like he did to be parked, but sheesh it's like he was put in the corner and is sulking.
I don't like him after last year either, but he has a clean record this year and I'll see if he can keep it up next year before I change my mind. His problem is that he freaks out over any minor problem. If he can keep his cool and suck up his attitude he might see improvement.
njb902 wrote:OptiMagnus wrote:njb902 wrote:Eh if I was Kyle Busch I'd be more worried about getting my head in order than not making the chase. After his little stunt last fall he hasn't been the same. Hell Brad keslowsky(sp) is doing a better impression of Kyle than Kyle is. I don't like Kyle but I'd rather see him race hard than be timid. Obviously you can't do crap like he did to be parked, but sheesh it's like he was put in the corner and is sulking.
I don't like him after last year either, but he has a clean record this year and I'll see if he can keep it up next year before I change my mind. His problem is that he freaks out over any minor problem. If he can keep his cool and suck up his attitude he might see improvement.
Sure can't argue with that.
I wonder if rcr will be able to sponsor a 4th car and snag Kurt........ Which I think is a mistake, he is just as bad as his brother.
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