ZeroWolf wrote:Which G1 prime you on about there? If i recall correctly, only G1 Prime built after megs appeared is toon G1 Prime, not comics (be they Marvel, IDW 1 & 2) or toy fiction...or any other continuity since.
It was the US Marvel comics that had the Savage Land origins for the Dinobots, but that issue was canon for the UK comics too.blackeyedprime wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Which G1 prime you on about there? If i recall correctly, only G1 Prime built after megs appeared is toon G1 Prime, not comics (be they Marvel, IDW 1 & 2) or toy fiction...or any other continuity since.
Toon G1 after Orion Pax died. I always stick to the sunbow origins for G1 despite the UK? comics having the superior Dinobots origin rather than Wheeljack just getting the idea from fossils. Pretty sure Netflix series wont be featuring the dinobots if they are doing Beastwars so at leasts that is one less origin to screw up/have a different take like the old WFC games.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:It was the US Marvel comics that had the Savage Land origins for the Dinobots, but that issue was canon for the UK comics too.blackeyedprime wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Which G1 prime you on about there? If i recall correctly, only G1 Prime built after megs appeared is toon G1 Prime, not comics (be they Marvel, IDW 1 & 2) or toy fiction...or any other continuity since.
Toon G1 after Orion Pax died. I always stick to the sunbow origins for G1 despite the UK? comics having the superior Dinobots origin rather than Wheeljack just getting the idea from fossils. Pretty sure Netflix series wont be featuring the Dinobots if they are doing Beast Wars so at leasts that is one less origin to screw up/have a different take like the old WFC games.
Though, speaking of the UK comics, according to the story titled "State Games" (which first told of Megatron's gladiator origins), Optimus's earliest-known pre-war career was as, surprisingly, Iacon's champion gladiator. Yep, Optimus Prime himself was once a gladiator.
Rogue-Primal wrote:Is there any picture of it. I am suspecting it may have been a big inspiration for why michael bay's prime loves melee fighting more than most other primes including claws,sword and spiky Knuckle Duster (DotM) and taming Grimlock
Megatron, a citizen of Tarn, is a successful but particularly vicious athlete. Optimus Prime is very much his equal, and the two share a somewhat acrimonious sporting rivalry. During a match between Megatron and Sunstreaker held in Tarn, Megatron cuts loose and nearly slays his opponent. Optimus intervenes, but the Overlord remains blind to Megatron's growing ambitions, and reprimands Optimus for interfering in the contest.
There is no illustration of Optimus. The only accompanying illustration for the gladiator scene depicts just Megatron and Sunstreaker.Rogue-Primal wrote:Is there any picture of it. I am suspecting it may have been a big inspiration for why michael bay's prime loves melee fighting more than most other primes including claws,sword and spiky Knuckle Duster (DotM) and taming Grimlock
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
But then what's the point of even caring about the conflict? If you expect a certain outcome, and history has shown you that that outcome is a certainty, does it matter what the margin of victory is? To quote that facepalm-inducing line, "It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning is winning."Deadput wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:I think that horse has left the barn. Throughout all the continuities, Optimus has almost always won in the end. Even if he himself didn't kill (or at least defeat) Megatron, he was involved somehow. The closest to Megatron winning they ever came was TF:TM, and even then Megatron couldn't be considered the winner, because had it not been for Unicron, he would have died. But I guess the other side of that coin is that had Starscream not thrown him out of Astrotrain, he might have survived. Point is, in pretty much every other instance, whether comics, cartoons or Bayverse, Prime wins. Except the last IDW story, but that doesn't really count because the 2 didn't interact much. So by now us fans are preconditioned to expect Prime to win in every new story, and for the purposes of selling toys, I don't think that will change.Deadput wrote:You lose tension otherwise when one is never afraid for Optimus and in doing so it makes Megatron a worse antagonist because nobody will be convinced he's an actual threat.
It's not about Megatron winning or heroes not winning the day, it's about making the victory look convincing and fought for.
I'll never expect Megatron to ever win but I always want him to put up a good fight and there to be some sort of stakes.
"Winning by an inch" is far more interesting and entertaining than "winning by a mile". Even if we know the win is eventually inevitable, we want the win to be fun/cool/exciting/etc., not boring or disappointing. Winning may be winning, but the entertainment factor is still important.Rodimus Prime wrote:To quote that facepalm-inducing line, "It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning is winning."
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:"Winning by an inch" is far more interesting and entertaining than "winning by a mile". Even if we know the win is eventually inevitable, we want the win to be fun/cool/exciting/etc., not boring or disappointing. Winning may be winning, but the entertainment factor is still important.Rodimus Prime wrote:To quote that facepalm-inducing line, "It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning is winning."
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
You could pretty much say that same overly-simplified sweeping generalization (sans the name "Megatron") about every story ever made that features good vs. evil.Rodimus Prime wrote:So by that train of thought, whenever a new TF story/continuity is introduced you guys get into it by thinking "I know Megatron won't win, but let's see how close he gets this time." I guess that's a way to look st it.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Would be a great way to give Megatron's capacity to be a serious threat a boost of credibility as well as for another character to get the spotlight. But like I said, that's almost exactly what happened in TF:TM and people lost their minds, and the result was Rodimus never had the chance to develop as a character because most fans despised him from the get-go.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Deadput wrote:I think future Megatrons could benefit from having a less brooding personality since those have been the trend as of late
Deadput wrote: you can do terrible things yet have a fun personality anyways.
If anything Siege Megatron needed bigger lips.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Plus not have a creepy, pouting mouth
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Exhibit A:
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
They did a few years ago.Deadput wrote:I suppose it would help if people actually made likable humans again
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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