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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

Postby ZeroWolf » Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:26 am

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sol magnus wrote:It almost seems like the fans want this to be bad. The trailers are pretty good. You think they put ALL the good stuff in three short trailers? Really?

Why not? Everyone else does these days >:oP The art of making a quality trailer that teases awesome things without giving everything away is a lost art form.

I'd rather look optimistically at what we've got so far and be a bit disappointed if it's not up to snuff than to poo-poo it just for confirmation bias.

If the trailer was absolute bunk, I'd be worried. But it's not, so I'm not. I hope it raises the profile, even if just a little bit. There are two other seasons to either improve or get worse, too.

But that's what I said up above, I'd rather a middling first season that improved with leaps and bounds then a first season that started epic but dropped the ball hard as it went on.
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

Postby o.supreme » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:34 am

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That newest trailer...1:39-1:41 THE CLAW! --- OK, it just got real now!--I've gone from skeptically hopeful to legitimately excited about something in Transformers animation for the first time in seven years. Do NOT disappoint me Netflix/Hasbro/Rooster Teeth. DO--NOT--DISAPPOINT--ME.
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:38 am

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o.supreme wrote:That newest trailer...1:39-1:41 THE CLAW! --- OK, it just got real now!--I've gone from skeptically hopeful to legitimately excited about something in Transformers animation for the first time in seven years. Do NOT disappoint me Netflix/Hasbro/Rooster Teeth. DO--NOT--DISAPPOINT--ME.
Then again, we did get only the single arm of a Titan coming out of the ground at the end of Combiner Wars, who then showed his whole self later but proceeded to get his butt kicked by an even newer Titan in Titans Return. ;)
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

Postby o.supreme » Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:47 am

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o.supreme wrote:That newest trailer...1:39-1:41 THE CLAW! --- OK, it just got real now!--I've gone from skeptically hopeful to legitimately excited about something in Transformers animation for the first time in seven years. Do NOT disappoint me Netflix/Hasbro/Rooster Teeth. DO--NOT--DISAPPOINT--ME.
Then again, we did get only the single arm of a Titan coming out of the ground at the end of Combiner Wars, who then showed his whole self later but proceeded to get his butt kicked by an even newer Titan in Titans Return. ;)


I'm not worried about Omega Supreme losing. It seems to be his destiny in most continuities, to do some major damage to the Decepticons, then sacrifice himself in some fashion, only to come back later. I just want the story and action to be good.
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

Postby ZeroWolf » Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:55 am

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They're going to homage marvel comics and have omega show up just to be taken down by buzzsaw ;)
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

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ZeroWolf wrote:They're going to homage marvel comics and have omega show up just to be taken down by buzzsaw ;)

HA! You have to have Buzzsaw for that to happen.
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

Postby o.supreme » Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:09 am

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All kidding aside, it appears at least for the condor type cassette minion (Laserbeak) there are multiples of them.
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

Postby ZeroWolf » Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:23 am

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Plus I doubt that Hasbro would want the center piece of the Siege line to be taken out that easy :lol: Though I wonder what the chances are of Siege Omegas price rising after the cartoon drops for all to see.
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

Postby sol magnus » Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:26 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:Plus I doubt that Hasbro would want the center piece of the Siege line to be taken out that easy :lol: Though I wonder what the chances are of Siege Omegas price rising after the cartoon drops for all to see.

Good grief, it's high enough as it is. :lol:
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

Postby o.supreme » Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:29 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:Plus I doubt that Hasbro would want the center piece of the Siege line to be taken out that easy :lol: Though I wonder what the chances are of Siege Omegas price rising after the cartoon drops for all to see.

Good grief, it's high enough as it is. :lol:


I was about to say...yeesh...so glad I got him back in February the last time BBTS had him at "normal" retail...
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

Postby bluecatcinema » Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:06 pm

Looks pretty intense to me.
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

Postby PerfectVision » Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:29 am

Another misery porn?The show business try to make people depressed and pessimistic these days if it's not just stupid and submissive.Don't give them money at all.
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

Postby partholon » Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:28 am

I'll reserve judgement till its out but tbh I've not been impressed with the writing in the last few series.
The cyberverse lad gives me hope as the 3rd series of that has some really nice nods to the lore and for a kiddiefied version of tf it's quite mature and inventive.

But it just seems no one in animation can DO this franchise in a way that doesn't seem clichéd tropey or lazy.

Like I said I'll give it a chance but the odds of em doing something like have omega supreme kick the deceps arse and build on that to cause the deceps construct scorponok on earth to counter him seem slim.

Everything comes down to a bloody mcguffin with em. Personally I'm sick of the bloody allspark. Just tell stories driven by the characters.

Personally I think seige shouldve been about the battle of iacon and prime stepping up to be the first to actually counter megatrons advance. Beginning the gradual retake of cybertron. Thid looks to be at the point of stalemate that came well after it.
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:11 am

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I haven't really watched or enjoyed a Transformers series since Animated [Season 3 specifically]. I tapped out of Prime very early on and haven't seen anything beyond that. I'll give this a go, at least. As it doesn't seem a visually child-like as RiD, Rescue Bots, Cyberverse etc

partholon wrote: Personally I'm sick of the bloody allspark. Just tell stories driven by the characters.


^ This 100%. I'd really like them to drop this pointless macguffin from canon entirely to be honest.
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:33 am

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So, what I'm getting from this thread is that...

Bright, colorful, expressive-looking faces with nice big eyes full of emotion = "kiddy"

Bland, drab, generic-looking faces with tiny squinty eyes full of no emotion = "mature"
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:43 am

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To me,

Bright, colorful, expressive-looking faces with nice big eyes full of emotion = "chibi" ala Teen Titans Go! Thundercats Roar! etc

Beast Wars and Animated both had colour to their designs (although the former largely lived in a world of clay :-P ) and emotive faces. But too far down that road you cease to be faithful to the source material. It becomes the low brow, homogenised "entertainment" of most cartoons today.

As I've said in many places, many times. I like the 'alien' and the 'robot' aspects of Transformers. Shy away from those and the identity is largely lost. That's when the series becomes Generic Robot Show.
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:55 am

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"Chibi" is "big head with small bodies". The description I wrote applies just as much to the 2003 Teen Titans cartoon that people loved and resent Go! for replacing.
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

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Yes, but '03 Titans used that look for comedic emphasis, not as an animation standard.

'Chibi' has been used as a byword for that aesthetic in general. As opposed to just the literal descriptive. IE 'Chibified' When something is made "cuter".
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:24 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yes, but '03 Titans used that look for comedic emphasis, not as an animation standard.
Uh, no. It's standard look was definitely "Bright, colorful, expressive-looking faces with nice big eyes full of emotion"
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:35 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yes, but '03 Titans used that look for comedic emphasis, not as an animation standard.
Uh, no. It's standard look was definitely "Bright, colorful, expressive-looking faces with nice big eyes full of emotion"


Uh, yes. You're also talking at cross purposes here.

There is a difference between a stylised aesthetic and 'chibi'.

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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:40 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yes, but '03 Titans used that look for comedic emphasis, not as an animation standard.
Uh, no. It's standard look was definitely "Bright, colorful, expressive-looking faces with nice big eyes full of emotion"


Uh, yes. You're also talking at cross purposes here.

There is a difference between a stylised aesthetic and 'chibi'.

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Chibified, when used for emphasis
And that first pic matches exactly with the description that I originally wrote. Who are you to dictate to me what my own description is in regards to?
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

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Sabrblade wrote:And that first pic matches exactly with the description that I originally wrote. Who are you to dictate to me what my own description is in regards to?



What are you talking about? The "Uh, no" was in response to what I wrote. My reply directly addressed that. There was nothing in there dictating intent :???: :???: :???:
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:49 am

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Sabrblade wrote:So, what I'm getting from this thread is that...

Bright, colorful, expressive-looking faces with nice big eyes full of emotion = "kiddy"

Bland, drab, generic-looking faces with tiny squinty eyes full of no emotion = "mature"
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:To me,

Bright, colorful, expressive-looking faces with nice big eyes full of emotion = "chibi" ala Teen Titans Go! Thundercats Roar! etc
Sabrblade wrote:"Chibi" is "big head with small bodies". The description I wrote applies just as much to the 2003 Teen Titans cartoon that people loved and resent Go! for replacing.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yes, but '03 Titans used that look for comedic emphasis, not as an animation standard.
Sabrblade wrote:Uh, no. It's standard look was definitely "Bright, colorful, expressive-looking faces with nice big eyes full of emotion"
And that's how we got here.
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

Postby o.supreme » Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:27 am

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Sabrblade wrote:Bright, colorful, expressive-looking faces with nice big eyes full of emotion = "kiddy"


Our assessments of Cyberverse are just different. Unfortunately I see a show that looks cheaply made, sounds cheaply made, and is made for UK fans by people of that region. Even if I were the right age demographic, I would not have found it to be entertaining at all. I even asked my son if any of his friends or their younger siblings watched it, and he said most of them didn't even know it existed, the others who had previously been into Transformers weren't. It's not just Cyberverse though. I really tried to understand why some people liked the UK stuff furman did early on. I got all the volumes released by IDW, and ended up selling them because I hated the art style and the stories were not to my liking.

Prime looked great, sounded great, had an epic cinematic feel to it, and while its tone was of a more serious nature, it was not without elements of fun. I don't think I, and my family ever laughed so hard at an episode if TF's as when Megatron threw 2 of his cons off the warship, chasing after Smokescreen, one transformed into a plane, the other into a car, and screamed all the way down to his inevitable end. Now while RiD15 was obviously a step way down from Prime, I think it is a better comparison with Cyberverse because they were both aiming at the same target audience.

And while I'll agree that RiD15 isn't great, I'd rank it higher than Cyberverse, though both look cheaply animated, I'd give RiD15 the advantage in writing and plot development, such as it was. While most of it is forgettable, at least you have the Starscream arc which I have re watched a couple of times. I watched all of Cyberverse once, even the most recent season 3 episodes when they dropped early online, and I really cant tell you much other than they pronounced Quintessons incorrectly (Even Chris McFeely who is from that region pronounces it correctly, furman just needs to go back to school).

To me it seems simple as; it was too expensive for Hasbro to continue to produce the shows themselves, so they purchased Boulder Media, who could do it for less, and it shows. Even RB Academy lacks the strong moral compass that the original RB had as a great example of a show for young children. I would hope that Hasbro chooses to go a different direction, but if Boulder Media is going to continue making content, they are going to have to do far better IMHO.

Of course, its unfortunate, and goes without saying that Machinima's trilogy was a complete dumpster fire, and is universally hated. Like I said, I have a feeling I'm backing the wrong horse, but I really do hope that this new series that drops on Netflix in just under 3 weeks is good, because for me at least, it has been Seven years since I really enjoyed a piece of Transformers media.
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Re: New Transformers Netflix Series Coming in 2020

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:51 am

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Season 3 of Animated was 2009. So it has been 11 years since there was a Transformers series I care enough to watch. I remember thinking back in the day that Beast Wars was a turning point. That each successive series would re-invent What Transformers is. A whole new and original visual identity, cast and concept each time.

Still waiting.


Sabrblade wrote:And that's how You got here.


By cherry picking lines, out of context. As it is both clear you don't see that and off topic. You do you and we'll leave it there.
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Transformers Podcast: Twincast / Podcast #348 - Uno
Twincast / Podcast #348:
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