It's not the "War ON Cybertron", it's the "War FOR Cybertron", which over the past 36 years has been fought in media set on Earth and many other non-Cybertron settings. No matter where they fought, Cybertron was the prize.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The War for Cybertron, by name alone, should consist of the planet on some level. The Beast Wars never took place on Cybertron. The war of the Beast Machines did. So fingers crossed we get some modern updates to the Vehicons.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Ugh, that answer F.J. gives about "timelines" is really gonna confuse so many people, since his particular phrasing makes it sound like he's saying that this Siege cartoon is going to be a prequel to the 1984 G1 cartoon.
Sabrblade wrote:It's not the "War ON Cybertron", it's the "War FOR Cybertron", which over the past 36 years has been fought in media set on Earth and many other non-Cybertron settings. No matter where they fought, Cybertron was the prize.
But we know that's not what it's going to end up being. It's gonna lead into Earthrise and then to Kingdom, which we already know won't jibe with the G1 cartoon.william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Ugh, that answer F.J. gives about "timelines" is really gonna confuse so many people, since his particular phrasing makes it sound like he's saying that this Siege cartoon is going to be a prequel to the 1984 G1 cartoon.
More than sounds like, he clearly stated it is a prequel to the G1 cartoon.
The Siege toyline itself was based on the first episode of the G1 cartoon so i can see how that statement echoes that.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:It's that same kind of misleading corporate language that led people to believe that the Bumblebee movie is a reboot and not in any way related or connected at all to the first five movies.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Barbara: Speaking of intelligent elegant people, I've got some great questions from our community here for you. The first one is from Asian Cactus and they would like to know "Does War For Cybertron fit into any of the established timelines that Hasbro has set up, or will it be the start of its own separate thing?"
F.J.: Well, that's a good question. And so, it, technically, it does fit into the main sort of Generations storyline that Hasbro has established with the toys, so, technically, it's a prequel to G1 which is the original series from the eighties that we all sort of know and love if you're an old uncle like me and... So it, sort of, it sort of all connects in that way but it's its own story, like, it's a story that hasn't been told before, et cetera. And we-we, you know, we intentionally sort of find ways to connect it to the broader franchise. So it is considered part of the main timeline.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Deadput wrote:Call me weird but I find it so damn odd that there really hasn't been a sequel or prequel to the 1984 cartoon in any shape or form outside of the Japanese continuity that doesn't really mesh that well to the American one, now I don't mean another cartoon but not even like a small comic mini series to tie up loose ends such as Galvatron and Scorponok?
Like it's been what 35 years and this obvious cash-grabby idea hasn't been done?
The closest we've ever had were the 3-D comics produced by Blackthorne Publishing, which had Galvatron and Scorponok still as bickering leaders in all three of their very short-lived issues that were canceled after the third.o.supreme wrote:Deadput wrote:Call me weird but I find it so damn odd that there really hasn't been a sequel or prequel to the 1984 cartoon in any shape or form outside of the Japanese continuity that doesn't really mesh that well to the American one, now I don't mean another cartoon but not even like a small comic mini series to tie up loose ends such as Galvatron and Scorponok?
Like it's been what 35 years and this obvious cash-grabby idea hasn't been done?
I've been shouting it from the rooftops forever...maybe someday, until then, we just keep getting retells of the story we already know, some told better than others. For me, thats why I *headcanon* a continuity out of Rebirth to Headmasters, as it does resolve the Scorponok/Galvatron conflict among other things.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:The exact question and answer given:Barbara: Speaking of intelligent elegant people, I've got some great questions from our community here for you. The first one is from Asian Cactus and they would like to know "Does War For Cybertron fit into any of the established timelines that Hasbro has set up, or will it be the start of its own separate thing?"
F.J.: Well, that's a good question. And so, it, technically, it does fit into the main sort of Generations storyline that Hasbro has established with the toys, so, technically, it's a prequel to G1 which is the original series from the eighties that we all sort of know and love if you're an old uncle like me and... So it, sort of, it sort of all connects in that way but it's its own story, like, it's a story that hasn't been told before, et cetera. And we-we, you know, we intentionally sort of find ways to connect it to the broader franchise. So it is considered part of the main timeline.
That is corporate gobbledygook at its finest.
We fans tend to think in terms of specifics. Timelines, universes, continuities, these are all things that matter to us because many of us are pedantic like that. G1 cartoon Optimus Prime is a separate guy from G1 Marvel comics Optimus Prime, and both of them are separate guys from Armada cartoon Optimus Prime.
The other side of the coin, however, tends to not think like that. To Hasbro and other corporate entities, Optimus Prime is Optimus Prime is Optimus Prime (and to John Warden, even Ginrai falls in there somewhere).
The user who asked the question was likely asking from a fan perspective in regards to specific continuities or "established timelines", while F.J. instead replied with the other less-specific perspective.
F.J. likened this show to being a part of "the main sort of Generations storyline that Hasbro has established with the toys," which is correct. But then he also called it "technically" a "prequel to G1" which he then referred to as "the original series from the eighties". That is a rather broad description because it doesn't just refer to the 1984-1987 animated series but to the entire era of the pre-Generation 2 Transformers franchise of toys, comics, books, the cartoon, and more.
He used the word "series", but we fans specify that word to refer only to television works, while from a corporate perspective, that word can and has been used to refer to any body of work that has multiple elements/aspects/components/installments released periodically over a course of time. We fans may call it a "toy line", but outside the fandom it could be a "toy series". And there is the term "comic book series" that uses the word as well. In this case, F.J.'s words are so vague that he could be thinking of the whole 1980s Transformers "franchise" rather than specifically just the television cartoon.
Also, when he said "prequel to G1", that too is a broad descriptor because the term "G1" can and does refer to many numerous things:And there's probably even more definitions than that to name for the term "G1".
- There is "G1", the era of the Transformers brand that began in 1984 and preceded Generation 2 in 1993.
- There is "G1", the specific line of Transformers toys released during that era
- There is "G1", the specific animated television series titled "The Transformers" that aired from 1984-1987
- There is "G1", the broad, abstract idea or concept that takes direct influence from either designs, stories, premises, or other more specific concepts/ideas released during the 1984-1993 era of the Transformers brand
- There is "G1", the specific category that applies certain comic books and other printed media either released during the 1984-1993 era of the brand or to those that are directly influenced by that era of the brand
- There is "G1", the even broader, abstract idea or concept that not only encompasses the 1984-1993 era of the brand but also the Generation 2 era from 1993-1995
- There is "G1", the even more broader, abstract idea or concept that not only encompasses 1984-1996 but also the Beast Era of 1996-2001
- There is "G1", the even greater broad, abstract idea or concept that encompasses 1984-2001 and anything from the 21st Century that embodies that same idea/concept (e.g. - RobotMasters, Classics, Generations, etc.)
Because he does not single out the 1984-1987 Marvel/Sunbow-produced cartoon, specifically, certain fans who automatically default to that cartoon as the "main" definition of "G1", there is a high possibility of people misinterpreting his words to think that he is saying that the WFCT Siege cartoon is a prequel to that specific G1 cartoon, when we already know that that isn't going to be the case, what with all that has been shown in the trailers and interviews thus far, as well as with the foreknowledge of both Earthrise and Kingdom being the second and third parts of the Netflix show's trilogy, neither of which are compatible with the 1984-1987 G1 cartoon.
And the reason certain fans consider "G1" to primarily refer to the 1984-1987 cartoon when discussing things like this is because of a prevailing sentiment of motion picture media trumping all other forms of media, with print media being seen as a sort of lesser form of significant media. While, nowadays, many fans would say that the comics published by IDW are and have been the superior Transformers media over the cartoons, such was not always the case.
This particular sentiment of motion picture media superseding print media goes way back, even. Two very notable examples of this even being the official stance in regards to canon are Star Trek and Star Wars. For the former, the TV shows and Prime universe films trump all, while for the latter, the theatrical feature films trump all. Any novels, comics, games, or anything else for these two properties are and always will be secondary (or even tertiary) forms of media.
While Star Trek was TV-first, Star Wars was movies-first, and Transformers is toys-first, it's hard not to see the similarities when many of the older TF comics series are ignored over their cartoon counterparts. Like, no one ever talks about the Armada and Energon comics, only the cartoons. No one ever talks about the Animated comics (which even canon to the show, in their case), just the cartoon. Same thing with the comics of Prime and RID 2015 vs. their cartoons.
There's also the notion that, to a kid, TV shows have, for years, been more easily accessible than comics. Any kid living under a roof with a TV in it can just walk up to the television set and turn it on to tune into a TV show. But if they want to read comic book, they have to go out of their house and be driven by their parents to a local store to pick up and purchase (or have their parents purchase) said comic book, meaning there are more steps in the middle of that process. Granted, this is less so nowadays what with digital media having made comics even easier to access through the world wide web, but I'm talking about before the present age.
Thus, the G1 cartoon has come to adopt a certain status of prevalence with many fans, to the point that if and when someone uses the phrase "prequel to G1", they automatically think "prequel to the specific Transformers cartoon from 1984-1987" rather than "a story set at the time prior to when the Transformers first left Cybertron and came to Earth in this brand new universe that is heavily inspired by the general concept and visual designs of the Transformers fiction from the 1980s." That may be more of a mouthful, but it is a far more apt description for what the WFCT Siege Netflix cartoon is to be.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
It is the final hours of the devastating civil war between the Autobots and Decepticons. The war that has torn apart their home planet of Cybertron is at a tipping point. Two leaders, Optimus Prime and Megatron, both want to save their world and unify their people, but only on their own terms. In an attempt to end the conflict, Megatron is forced to consider using the Allspark, the source of all life and power on Cybertron, to “reformat” the Autobots, thus “unifying” Cybertron. Outnumbered, outgunned, and under SIEGE, the battle-weary Autobots orchestrate a desperate series of counterstrikes on a mission that, if everything somehow goes right, will end with an unthinkable choice: kill their planet in order to save it.
ScottyP wrote::exhales:
It doesn't suck.
All I wanted was for this show to not suck, and it achieves that.
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