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Megatron voice reminded me of Corey Burton's Animated Megatron performace.

Any way we can get a poll going? I posted a few criticisms on this - In fact did a whole Youtube review ( Link below ) and some guy on Facebook tells me that "most of youtube and facebook love this show and you are in the minority for hating on it " . This was after I just pointed out about 20 to 25 major flaws and expressed that I did not have time to hate what I came to expect from the likes of Hasbro and Netflix.

But I'd like to know what actual fans ( and not facebook folks ) think

Overall, I gave this a barely passing D as an objective criticism based on production, acting, writing, animation, realism, verisimilitude ONCE I gave up trying to believe it to be a prequel. But I would argue that it's not a bad thing to "Like " it. It was meticulously crafted in a short amount of time. At least it feels that way. But I also felt like I've seen this formula for "nostalgia" properties. It goes something like this

1. get a group of 20 somethings to cram info for a week and write a script in a weekend
2. if it's netflix then make sure it is budget-friendly production so skimp on the music budget, the actor budget, the animation budget - make it semi-passable and throw in filters and loud noises to distract the viewer .
3. promote all current products (toys) make sure it meets the deadline to coincide with the toyline
4. Focus on the Familiar things and names for branding ( "look its OPTIMUS PRIME" - rinse repeat )
5. do a bit of fan service to keep the older ones happy ( dialogue dialogue "VELOCITRON" dialogue ) and for youtubers to make top 10 things you missed videos to help promote the show.
6. Make it dark and gritty and tough because that'ss what attracts 14 year olds and older fans.....we think
7. Convince viewers its the franchise you know and its part of the story line . Okay we'll call it a prequel ( Just like Star Trek Discovery ! )

Then again. I could be completely WRONG or OFF about all this.

Anyway I'd like to see a poll happen if there isn't one already. I'd like to see what most, actual, fans think.

metalogan wrote:Any way we can get a poll going? I posted a few criticisms on this - In fact did a whole Youtube review ( Link below ) and some guy on Facebook tells me that "most of youtube and facebook love this show and you are in the minority for hating on it " . This was after I just pointed out about 20 to 25 major flaws and expressed that I did not have time to hate what I came to expect from the likes of Hasbro and Netflix.

But I'd like to know what actual fans ( and not facebook folks ) think

Overall, I gave this a barely passing D as an objective criticism based on production, acting, writing, animation, realism, verisimilitude ONCE I gave up trying to believe it to be a prequel. But I would argue that it's not a bad thing to "Like " it. It was meticulously crafted in a short amount of time. At least it feels that way. But I also felt like I've seen this formula for "nostalgia" properties. It goes something like this

1. get a group of 20 somethings to cram info for a week and write a script in a weekend
2. if it's netflix then make sure it is budget-friendly production so skimp on the music budget, the actor budget, the animation budget - make it semi-passable and throw in filters and loud noises to distract the viewer .
3. promote all current products (toys) make sure it meets the deadline to coincide with the toyline
4. Focus on the Familiar things and names for branding ( "look its OPTIMUS PRIME" - rinse repeat )
5. do a bit of fan service to keep the older ones happy ( dialogue dialogue "VELOCITRON" dialogue ) and for youtubers to make top 10 things you missed videos to help promote the show.
6. Make it dark and gritty and tough because that'ss what attracts 14 year olds and older fans.....we think
7. Convince viewers its the franchise you know and its part of the story line . Okay we'll call it a prequel ( Just like Star Trek Discovery ! )

Then again. I could be completely WRONG or OFF about all this.

Anyway I'd like to see a poll happen if there isn't one already. I'd like to see what most, actual, fans think.

You summed up my problem with WFC (and my fear for TF media in the future): it's all gimmicks and small-talk fan-service. While it's not necessarily bad to enjoy it, it is underwhelming to see how other media gets neglected in favor of what the nerd culture thinks Transformers should always be. It's also sad how the "kiddy show" Cyberverse kept me content the most out of the 2018-now media, especially when there's more going on in the show than you'd think. That being said, I do hope Earthrise is an improvement and doesn't continue the same issues that Titans Return did after Combiner Wars.

metalogan wrote:ONCE I gave up trying to believe it to be a prequel.

A prequel to what? Certainly not the 1984 cartoon. It was never going to be a prequel to that or to anything that wasn't Chapter 2: Earthrise and Chapter 3: Kingdom.

I believe it was F.J. De Santo ( guy with beard ) who said it would be a "prequel" which suggests that it would be canonical, similarly to how BADROBOT suggested that Star Trek Discovery was part of the same canon of the original series

metalogan wrote:I believe it was F.J. De Santo ( guy with beard ) who said it would be a "prequel" which suggests that it would be canonical, similarly to how BADROBOT suggested that Star Trek Discovery was part of the same canon of the original series

And as discussed several pages back, that statement of his was riddled with corporate confusion and misunderstanding.

Sorry I arrived late to the party.

Well, the usage of the term "prequel" could very well be ( and more than likely is ) intentional in order to provide enticement to those that are in the 35 to 45 demographic that have a vague familiarity with the series.While being coy and deceptive, they can work their way around for the purpose of marketing. They could very easily have called it a "prelude to (yet another ) G1 reboot " but that doesn't sound as exciting as " It's a Prequel to the g1 universe!!!!! " After the initial trailer, I was getting calls from my "non-transformers fan" friends that were familiar with the property and they were showing excitement as well. They'd say " DUDE - The original transformers are coming back !!!! Aren't you like a big fan?! " and before I say anything " I heard it was a prequel from the original show ! "

That there , was the effect they were more than likely going for. Which, may have, perhaps, worked.



Again, I'm late to the party but I also just found out that De Santo wrote the "michinima " series. Interesting .

And this was way better then the Machinima series.

It's still not a "great" show by all means but I at least found it entertaining despite my few criticisms.


There was improvement and there is likely to be some improvement for Earthrise and Kingdom.

metalogan wrote:4. Focus on the Familiar things and names for branding ( "look its OPTIMUS PRIME" - rinse repeat )
5. do a bit of fan service to keep the older ones happy ( dialogue dialogue "VELOCITRON" dialogue ) and for youtubers to make top 10 things you missed videos to help promote the show.

These two will keep happening, unfortunately. Until someone new takes charge and puts 'G1' to bed. We'll get nothing new or creative from Transformers anymore, until that day.

Yeah there's alot of what of what people consider to be g1 an canonical

I consider the Sunbow Cartoon and Beastwars/Beastmachines to be part of the same Canonical timeline - which was implied. I like to pretend that Headmasters is part of that if I omit season 4.. but that's just for fun.

I would also consider generation 2 to be part of "filler " canon even though its not. I see it as a possible "phase" post season 4 - perhaps taking place around this time ( 2020 )

I would be curious about what happened after g1, g2, and before beastwars in the Sunbow/Beastwars universe. I would actually love a g2 mini series , then a "G3" before beastwars . It would also be great to see what happens AFTER beast machines. I don't see a reason to go back and why we feel compelled to get the "back story" or the "prequel" especially if we know what's going to happen. Unless there are interesting twists and turns then it doesn't need to be told. I blame George Lucas for this of course. Can our imaginations no longer fill that void??? Again I'm more interested in what we don't know.

metalogan wrote:Yeah there's alot of what of what people consider to be g1 an canonical

I consider the Sunbow Cartoon and Beastwars/Beastmachines to be part of the same Canonical timeline - which was implied. I like to pretend that Headmasters is part of that if I omit season 4.. but that's just for fun.

I would also consider generation 2 to be part of "filler " canon even though its not. I see it as a possible "phase" post season 4 - perhaps taking place around this time ( 2020 )

I would be curious about what happened after g1, g2, and before beastwars in the Sunbow/Beastwars universe. I would actually love a g2 mini series , then a "G3" before beastwars . It would also be great to see what happens AFTER beast machines. I don't see a reason to go back and why we feel compelled to get the "back story" or the "prequel" especially if we know what's going to happen. Unless there are interesting twists and turns then it doesn't need to be told. I blame George Lucas for this of course. Can our imaginations no longer fill that void??? Again I'm more interested in what we don't know.

There's a lot of extra story material out there that is set in those nebulous points in time you describe, but they pertain only to specific versions of continuities such as the Japanese version of G1/BW or the BotCon versions of G1/BW, since there's no all-encompassing G1/BW continuity that exists with everything in it.

I could do fine without any explanations on what happens before the events of Beast Wars. On topic with WFC, I'm curious as to how Kingdom will handle the Beasties since they won't likely be from the exact same show.

for one, they will be the same size as autobots and decepticons based on some of the toy leaks- I wonder if that will be addressed

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metalogan wrote:Yeah there's alot of what of what people consider to be g1 an canonical

I consider the Sunbow Cartoon and Beastwars/Beastmachines to be part of the same Canonical timeline - which was implied. I like to pretend that Headmasters is part of that if I omit season 4.. but that's just for fun.

I would also consider generation 2 to be part of "filler " canon even though its not. I see it as a possible "phase" post season 4 - perhaps taking place around this time ( 2020 )

I would be curious about what happened after g1, g2, and before beastwars in the Sunbow/Beastwars universe. I would actually love a g2 mini series , then a "G3" before beastwars . It would also be great to see what happens AFTER beast machines. I don't see a reason to go back and why we feel compelled to get the "back story" or the "prequel" especially if we know what's going to happen. Unless there are interesting twists and turns then it doesn't need to be told. I blame George Lucas for this of course. Can our imaginations no longer fill that void??? Again I'm more interested in what we don't know.

There's a lot of extra story material out there that is set in those nebulous points in time you describe, but they pertain only to specific versions of continuities such as the Japanese version of G1/BW or the BotCon versions of G1/BW, since there's no all-encompassing G1/BW continuity that exists with everything in it.

This is true - I did enjoy the Funpub rendition the most. I suppose Japan BWN /BW2 was an interesting take. Not my favorite, but I did like certain elements like the Prime Council concept. Then again Japan's G1 continuity is definitely not for everyone that would be staunch fans of the g1 sunbow. I , personally, fantasize about an ongoing sunbow continuity which is probably best left to fantasy at this point - Beastwars was so distant so one could connect and make parallels to the original sunbow continuity without reading too much in between the lines; however, there are things like Starscream's ghost to which I could grasp at straws and argue that his spark traverses both space and time within the same continuity. I also imagine a Transformers Season 5 with all the fallen Maximals and Predacons resurrected and reformatted on Earth in 2015 - but then you'll get into too many time travel messes when you discuss the existence of their future selves and if they'd try to prevent the events of Beastwars from ever happening .

metalogan wrote:for one, they will be the same size as autobots and decepticons based on some of the toy leaks- I wonder if that will be addressed

Probably not.

I doubt the size difference is even something that most people outside of the hardcore fans even remember or keep in mind on an active level.

Plus, both POTP Optimus Primal and Cyberverse Cheetor were Autobot-sized in their respective cartoons, so the same will probably the case for this show too.

Cyberverse gives me hope that they can do Beast Wars characters right,alongside the other versions.

There is a lot of room to grow for this series,but nothing unwatchable.

TulioDude wrote:Cyberverse gives me hope that they can do Beast Wars characters right,alongside the other versions.

There is a lot of room to grow for this series,but nothing unwatchable.

Yeah, but the people who made Cyberverse and the people who made this show aren't the same people.

I’m feeling kind of lukewarm about this series. I don’t think it’s bad, but it’s not exactly great. I think I’m kind of experiencing reboot fatigue with Transformers fiction. I realize that retelling the story of autobots vs decepticons is kind of the Transformers stock in trade, but I think I’m finally starting to feel kind of tired of seeing this story retold again and again. Say what you will about a Prime Wars, at least it felt pretty different, despite the fact that many aspects of the story are frustratingly vague.

A few random positives:
I liked seeing evil Jetfire.

I liked that they actually explained what Megatron was planning on doing with the Allspark. I found it a little confusing in the 2007 movie where megatron wanted the Allspark “for evil” but they don’t elaborate on what he was actually hoping to accomplish prior to the cube being launched into space.

Soundblaster was a neat callback to the Dreamwave comics, and it was neat to see another faction on cybertron, although it felt underdeveloped.

Impactor is one of my favorite characters, so it was cool finally seeing him in an animated series. It was also nice to see Reflector again.

The voices for Megatron and Starscream were great. The new VA for Optimus is fine, I guess. I don’t really see the point in hiring someone to do a Cullen impression. If you don’t have Cullen, then I think they should try to develop a new voice for the character. I mean, I don’t expect Megatron to always sound like Welker. Welker is amazing, but I also really like David Kaye, Hugo Weaving, Fred Tatasciore, and Jason Marnocha’s take on the character.

I may need to watch it again to fully crystallize my thoughts, but so far I liked it fine, just wish it wasn’t quite so repetitive and I also wish there were more episodes.

I tried rewatching the series again tonight, got through most of the first episode, and couldn't do it. It's just so DRY.

Also, I swear that if they talked at a normal pace, we could get another full episode out of this. So much more content if we didnt...talk...like...this

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I tried rewatching the series again tonight, got through most of the first episode, and couldn't do it. It's just so DRY.

Also, I swear that if they talked at a normal pace, we could get another full episode out of this. So much more content if we didnt...talk...like...this

Some have found it easier to watch this show when sped up to 1.25 speed.

Am I too slow myself to not have noticed the slow speaking thing most of the time?

Not saying it isn't there, I just never noticed it.

Deadput wrote:Am I too slow myself to not have noticed the slow speaking thing most of the time?

Not saying it isn't there, I just never noticed it.

To be fair, the first time I ever watched Star Trek, I didn't quite notice Captain Kirk's many pauses until near to the end of the third season.

I didn’t notice the slow talking either.

Megatron's slow talking did give me flashbacks to that shite Japanese PS2 Transformers game based on G1, but at least Jason Marnocha tried to sound interesting whereas Jeff Manning sounded like the typical localization VA heard in the late 90s/early 00s.

Deadput wrote:Am I too slow myself to not have noticed the slow speaking thing most of the time?

Not saying it isn't there, I just never noticed it.

It was much more noticeable 2nd time through. Look at the scene where Megatron first shows up. The amount of pausing and longevity of the monologue is noticeable. Some characters talk normal, and then others are like Megatron.

Which is a shame. I LOVE his voice, it's just paced horribly