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o.supreme wrote:Well technically both spoiler packs were that, since both Siege & ER
Leaders were all basically voyagers with add-ons to get them to the $50 price.


Spoiler #2 was a ER Prime repaint $50. + Fangtron BM $6 + "compound" ($4?). But was arguably a much better but with the 2 extra guns, and 2 swords (one of them being a transforming Giza).

Spoiler box #2 was a repaint of SIEGE Voyager Optimus Prime with an Earthrise trailer. A Voyager doesn't have the same level of tooling as a Leader class, despite the size.

sol magnus wrote:Spoiler box #2 was a repaint of SIEGE Voyager Optimus Prime with an Earthrise trailer. A Voyager doesn't have the same level of tooling as a Leader class, despite the size.

^Corrected Thank you.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:From here on out Neflix Barricade will be known as Sparkles Barricade. Unless we get an actual sparkles Barricade as part of a MyLittlePony crossover or something.

...and that is why I hate posting from my phone as opposed to my laptop...darn autofill... also I'm not the first one to do that I've noticed... besides what's a "Neflix"

sol magnus wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Well technically both spoiler packs were that, since both Siege & ER
Leaders were all basically voyagers with add-ons to get them to the $50 price.


Spoiler #2 was a ER Prime repaint $50. + Fangtron BM $6 + "compound" ($4?). But was arguably a much better but with the 2 extra guns, and 2 swords (one of them being a transforming Giza).

Spoiler box #2 was a repaint of SIEGE Voyager Optimus Prime with an Earthrise trailer. A Voyager doesn't have the same level of tooling as a Leader class, despite the size.

I don't think that's related either.

william-james88 wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Well technically both spoiler packs were that, since both Siege & ER
Leaders were all basically voyagers with add-ons to get them to the $50 price.


Spoiler #2 was a ER Prime repaint $50. + Fangtron BM $6 + "compound" ($4?). But was arguably a much better but with the 2 extra guns, and 2 swords (one of them being a transforming Giza).

Spoiler box #2 was a repaint of SIEGE Voyager Optimus Prime with an Earthrise trailer. A Voyager doesn't have the same level of tooling as a Leader class, despite the size.

I don't think that's related either.

I'm sorry, what do you not think is related?

sol magnus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Well technically both spoiler packs were that, since both Siege & ER
Leaders were all basically voyagers with add-ons to get them to the $50 price.


Spoiler #2 was a ER Prime repaint $50. + Fangtron BM $6 + "compound" ($4?). But was arguably a much better but with the 2 extra guns, and 2 swords (one of them being a transforming Giza).

Spoiler box #2 was a repaint of SIEGE Voyager Optimus Prime with an Earthrise trailer. A Voyager doesn't have the same level of tooling as a Leader class, despite the size.

I don't think that's related either.

I'm sorry, what do you not think is related?

The tooling. Leader Shockwave, for instance doesn't seem to have more tooling than Siege Voyager Prime.

william-james88 wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Well technically both spoiler packs were that, since both Siege & ER
Leaders were all basically voyagers with add-ons to get them to the $50 price.


Spoiler #2 was a ER Prime repaint $50. + Fangtron BM $6 + "compound" ($4?). But was arguably a much better but with the 2 extra guns, and 2 swords (one of them being a transforming Giza).

Spoiler box #2 was a repaint of SIEGE Voyager Optimus Prime with an Earthrise trailer. A Voyager doesn't have the same level of tooling as a Leader class, despite the size.

I don't think that's related either.

I'm sorry, what do you not think is related?

The tooling. Leader Shockwave, for instance doesn't seem to have more tooling than Siege Voyager Prime.

I didn't notice any significant gaps on my Shockwave, or light piping on my Voyager prime, but if these things don't make for more tooling, Mea culpa. Maybe I'm getting my terms crossed?

Tooling is a more generic term, and can be used to describe several parts of the figure manufacturing process, including creating the molds that will be used to cast the plastic parts. Re-tooling usually means creating new parts to change a character into a different character with a different head sculpt, accessories, or other changes, like re-shelling the alternate mode.

What we get into with some modern figures like Earthrise Optimus Prime and Studio Series '86 Hot Rod is complexity and parts count. Those figures have way more articulation and other integrated play features to expand the value beyond the size of the figure. For example, most Voyager sized figures don't have articulated fingers, but Optimus and Hot Rod do, allowing them to hold the Matrix of Leadership aloft. They both also have rather elaborate transformations that give them superior screen accurate looks in both robot and vehicles modes. Hence the term "Mini Masterpiece" that has become prevalent with the War for Cybertron line.

The core robots of Siege/Kingdom Ultra Magnus and Siege Shockwave are voyager-ish sized, and not any more complicated than other Voyager sized figures, but they have many more extra parts-forming pieces to integrate into the robot modes and alternate modes. Earthrise/Kingdom Optimus Prime has a trailer, but it's a rather simple accessory, that just opens up into a platform. It's only really used in truck mode or as a playset for Optimus Prime in robot mode. Since the extra parts don't attach to Optimus Prime and don't have to be reconfigured much for transformation, the extra "value" of the Leader Class price point instead goes into giving Optimus Prime more articulation and a better transformation and overall design. It's similar with Studio Series '86 Hot Rod, who is mostly a Deluxe sized figure, sold as a Voyager, with more articulation and accessories than a standard Deluxe Sized figure would normally have, giving us a Hot Rod with articulated hands and fingers that can "Light our darkest hour" AND recreate a lot of other iconic moments in The Transformers: The Movie with a plethora of accessories, like the Matrix of Leadership, two different guns, blast effects, and a circular saw blade. Plus, this is easily the most screen accurate Hot Rod toy we've received that's not a Masterpiece toy. There are complexities in the transformation that only exist to make sure everything looks as spot-on to the original character models as possible.

Emerje wrote:Whatever the qualifications are, just getting ER Megatron and purple Paleotrex as the Spoiler set this time is going to be disappointing. Ultra Magnus just barely hits close to the $60 coming with Rung and the Play-doh filled with cubes, while Nemesis Prime blew that price point away with tons of extra. We're about $5 short compared to UM and way below NP for the wave 3 set.

I really hope Hasbro is just swerving the leekers with false information to rout them out. We never got info on the previous sets until people had them in hand so how do the leakers have so much info this time?

Emerje

Don't the leaks say its Siege Megatron getting the redeco?

Apparently leakers are confirming that the netflix voyager packs are a voyager + core class, with Primal coming with a metallic Rattrap

A Walmart near me just restocked the deluxes. I'm tempted by Elita-1. Is she a good figure? Besides the shellforming car parts? I just really like the head sculpt and the colors.

Objectively, I think most fans feel it is not a well designed toy, but I have both ER Arcee and Elita-1 because of my daughters enjoyment of these characters...so no regrets.

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:A Walmart near me just restocked the deluxes. I'm tempted by Elita-1. Is she a good figure? Besides the shellforming car parts? I just really like the head sculpt and the colors.

I'm not a fan of the Earthrise Arcee mold and, by extension, it's repaints and retools. However, the Netflix release is probably the best Elita One figure we'll be getting for a while. It's leagues better than the retool/repaint of Cybertron Thunderblast that we got from BotCon many years ago, and it's a more reasonable size and closer to the correct alternate mode than the Voyager Class version we got in Power of the Primes. I would go for it, if I were you. She's well painted, at least, as compared with ER/K Arcee.

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:A Walmart near me just restocked the deluxes. I'm tempted by Elita-1. Is she a good figure? Besides the shellforming car parts? I just really like the head sculpt and the colors.

It's an incredible action figure, but an underwhelming transformer. If you're only getting it for robot mode display, it's definitely worth it.

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:A Walmart near me just restocked the deluxes. I'm tempted by Elita-1. Is she a good figure? Besides the shellforming car parts? I just really like the head sculpt and the colors.

No but still get this toy since it's the best Elita 1 toy we have for scale and looks ok on a shelf. Basically, due to the ridiculous aftermarket prices, any reason you have to buy this figure at retail is a good reason.

And if you still truly hate it, you an always sell it for double.

I bought from my friend the two Targetmasters that come with his Netflix Optimus.

Now Optimus and Nemesis can duke it out on equal term at last!



I love those little dudes, but it's a bit baffling that there's no effects parts with them.

-Kanrabat- wrote:I bought from my friend the two Targetmasters that come with his Netflix Optimus.

Now Optimus and Nemesis can duke it out on equal term at last!



I love those little dudes, but it's a bit baffling that there's no effects parts with them.

This set is the first time a Battlemaster did not come with the effect part when part of a set. Nemesis's Battlemaster had an effect part and so did both Battlemasters included with Hotlink and Megatron. Even back to the Seige sets, the Battlemasters had their effects. I wonder if the 'pee' yellow color had anything to do with the thought behind it. For a while, a few mutuals on Twitter and I were calling this the Piss Prime set

Emerje wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Emerje wrote:Whatever the qualifications are, just getting ER Megatron and purple Paleotrex as the Spoiler set this time is going to be disappointing. Ultra Magnus just barely hits close to the $60 coming with Rung and the Play-doh filled with cubes, while Nemesis Prime blew that price point away with tons of extra. We're about $5 short compared to UM and way below NP for the wave 3 set.

I really hope Hasbro is just swerving the leekers with false information to rout them out. We never got info on the previous sets until people had them in hand so how do the leakers have so much info this time?

Emerje

Don't the leaks say its Siege Megatron getting the redeco?

Apparently leakers are confirming that the netflix voyager packs are a voyager + core class, with Primal coming with a metallic Rattrap

Late reply, I've been busy.

Last I heard the leaker hadn't actually seen the Megatron in the spoiler set and couldn't confirm what figure is in the box. It's been assumed that since Siege Megatron has already been used in the line that it would be the ER version. For all we know it could be Core Megatron and there's an entirely different Voyager in the box.

I thought one leak said the Rattrap coming with Primal was barely changed from the retail version? First I've heard of a metallic repaint.

Emerje

No problem

The leaks i checked the other day are where I got my information but they had complied it all in a list so its a bit difficult to check who said what (ergo who's more reliable)

The latest leaks say that someone from 1985 is getting another do over after a mediocre update.

Further info about the '85er has been shared, and it is a new version of motormaster tentatively penciled in for sometime in 2022. One leaker had heard leader class, another confirmed motormaster but said leader class didn't match what they'd heard, and neither had solid info on whether updates to the rest of menasor were coming, or if it was just MM.

alekese wrote:Further info about the '85er has been shared, and it is a new version of motormaster tentatively penciled in for sometime in 2022. One leaker had heard leader class, another confirmed motormaster but said leader class didn't match what they'd heard, and neither had solid info on whether updates to the rest of menasor were coming, or if it was just MM.

Maybe it's a new CW-compatible Motormaster whose torso mode doesn't suck.

Emerje wrote:Last I heard the leaker hadn't actually seen the Megatron in the spoiler set and couldn't confirm what figure is in the box. It's been assumed that since Siege Megatron has already been used in the line that it would be the ER version. For all we know it could be Core Megatron and there's an entirely different Voyager in the box.

It's Siege Megatron, every time a leaker has mentioned this set it's been called out as either specifically Siege Megs or as "a Siege Voyager", but no one know what it looks like in terms of deco and/or potential remolding for compatibility with the Allspark it's supposed to come with (which I spoiler marked because everyone there keeps saying it's a spoiler for the Netflix show). People keep getting confused because the SG Megatron that also was leaked by the first source to mention this set's contents is supposed to be the ER mold and people keep losing track and accidentally swapping them.

It's not like the Netflix line is a stranger when it comes to mold reuse, anyway, there's been a version of the Siege Lambo mold in every wave.

Emerje wrote:I thought one leak said the Rattrap coming with Primal was barely changed from the retail version? First I've heard of a metallic repaint.

Direct quotes from a leaker specifically talking about Rattrap:

Well sad news is rattrap just has darker fur , darker silver. No additional paint

His fur is much darker , his brain is same color as his fur. His teeth is not painted silver.
He is just a bonus to the 2 pack. But not worth getting if you already have core class Rattrap

Do we know how netflix Primal is supposed to look yet?

Tuned Agent wrote:

alekese wrote:Further info about the '85er has been shared, and it is a new version of motormaster tentatively penciled in for sometime in 2022. One leaker had heard leader class, another confirmed motormaster but said leader class didn't match what they'd heard, and neither had solid info on whether updates to the rest of menasor were coming, or if it was just MM.

Maybe it's a new CW-compatible Motormaster whose torso mode doesn't suck.

Motormaster isn't from '85. Didn't debut on the show in '85. Wasn't sold in '85.

If it is a figure from 1985, well, here's the 1985 catalog...



It would be cool to get a new Perceptor or Blaster, and with the movie anniversary, Perceptor would be a good fit.