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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Tue May 04, 2021 10:36 am

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-Kanrabat- wrote:These voyager prices are not normal because they were 60$CAN plus taxes previously. The clearance price of the previous wave have not been changed for some odd reasons.


I'll take it :D You still looking for shitstorm right? Do I get you one if I find another?


I'm already planning a trade with someone but if you can find one, I wouldn't mind having a spare just in case. Especially at that ridiculous price. But if the price go back to full, I'll pass.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby Tuned Agent » Tue May 04, 2021 9:49 pm

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william-james88 wrote:Who's got the Netflix Sparkless Seeker? Because I want to know if I have a dud or not. Every version of this mold so far had no issue tabbing in. The vehicle mode always feels held together well (once you clip in the fake chest in the back of course). But this one, feels really off. The parts where the arms tab into the legs has issues and I can't seem to have both the right and left sides of the spaceship clip into the nose properly. You get either one or the other, not both at the same time.

Now what I am sure everyone felt though is the change in plastic. This one feels way cheaper and feeble than any plastic used on this seeker mold in the past. Reminds me of the FOC era and I thought we were waaay past that.

I don't have Sparkless, but my Thundercracker has issues similar to this. One of his arms doesn't particularly like tabbing into his wing OR his leg, and that hinders the wing from tabbing into the nose as well.

And it's interesting to hear about the plastic quality. Makes me wonder if that's part of the cost-cutting measures Hasbro's going to be using the second half of the year. :-s
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby Nuclearxpotato » Wed May 05, 2021 12:40 am

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Tuned Agent wrote:And it's interesting to hear about the plastic quality. Makes me wonder if that's part of the cost-cutting measures Hasbro's going to be using the second half of the year. :-s


My Netflix Cheetor feels fine and possibly ever-so-slightly heavier than Ractonite (but that may just be weight distribution due to their different bodies) and I'd assume he'd have the same plastic issues if it was this widespread.

And I hate to be the boy that cries Mold degradation (people claim that far too much), but Shitstorm is the eighth or so usage of the mold over the course of two years. Hasbro no doubt already had the ER Seeker planned during the Siege Seeker's development so they probably anticipated it being used less.
And then the Rainmakers happened.

And then the Netflix line happened.

It's possible that the mold has just been slowly constricting its casting space with each use, resulting in Shitstorm having slightly thinner plastic, but really only time will tell (SG Starscream is just around the corner...)
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby DEANO85 » Wed May 05, 2021 1:15 am

Waiting for wave 3 to show up in Australia. I want that Deep Cover
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Wed May 05, 2021 8:00 am

Nuclearxpotato wrote:And I hate to be the boy that cries Mold degradation (people claim that far too much), but Shitstorm is the eighth or so usage of the mold over the course of two years.


I don't think that is likely the case here. Sure it is the 8th use of the mold, but that was just average mold usage during Combiner Wars where just about every mold (except shuttle blast off) was used at least 6-8 times.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby Nuclearxpotato » Wed May 05, 2021 5:50 pm

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Nuclearxpotato wrote:And I hate to be the boy that cries Mold degradation (people claim that far too much), but Shitstorm is the eighth or so usage of the mold over the course of two years.


I don't think that is likely the case here. Sure it is the 8th use of the mold, but that was just average mold usage during Combiner Wars where just about every mold (except shuttle blast off) was used at least 6-8 times.


True, but I was thinking more about how the complexity and size of the Siegekers would change their mold's stability over time. Also most CW molds just swapped out parts for a secondary retool mold so that may have lightened the load a bit. I honestly think it's likely that Hasbro just used a slightly cheaper plastic on this release due some budget balancing for the figure.


While we're on the topic of CW, am I the only one who has grown to really dislike CW as more time has passed? I think the budget cuts that happened between it and T30 really shows in the complexity of the figures (which was slowly adjusted over the rest of the Prime Wars). Like compare CW Breakdown to TR Hot Rod or PotP Blot / Rippersnapper. It wasn't until PotP that HasTak really found their footing again after the budget issues.
Personally the only part I really like about CW was the new characters to the roster. I really enjoy Offroad and hope he isn't just forgotten in media.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby Nemesis Reformatted » Wed May 05, 2021 8:22 pm

Nuclearxpotato wrote:While we're on the topic of CW, am I the only one who has grown to really dislike CW as more time has passed?


Combiner Wars is still my favorite line. I just bought a bunch of the Chinese KO's & I'm working on 4 custom combiners. Someday I hope to get the Botcon & Club exclusives that I missed. I can't get enough of CW.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby william-james88 » Wed May 05, 2021 8:57 pm

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I like combiner wars too. The toys are simpler but that's part of the fun of combiners, you want to be able to get them into the right mode for combining.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby Nuclearxpotato » Wed May 05, 2021 9:26 pm

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william-james88 wrote:I like combiner wars too. The toys are simpler but that's part of the fun of combiners, you want to be able to get them into the right mode for combining.

I think I just got the worst taste of CW with bad midwestern distribution. I only ever got Breakdown, Offroad, Alpha Bravo, Blackjack, Bombshell, and Chopshop. I imagine Dead End was the far superior car mold (I think TR Chromedome shares engineering?) and probably would've changed my impression.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby william-james88 » Wed May 05, 2021 9:52 pm

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william-james88 wrote:I like combiner wars too. The toys are simpler but that's part of the fun of combiners, you want to be able to get them into the right mode for combining.

I think I just got the worst taste of CW with bad midwestern distribution. I only ever got Breakdown, Offroad, Alpha Bravo, Blackjack, Bombshell, and Chopshop. I imagine Dead End was the far superior car mold (I think TR Chromedome shares engineering?) and probably would've changed my impression.


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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Thu May 06, 2021 3:36 am

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If only they would have improved the damn ratchets of the combiner hips by now. My only CW combiners that do not feel like rag dolls are my Bruticus, modded with an upgrade kit that include heavy duty springs for the hips, and my K-O undersized Devastator who keep his pose EVEN WHEN SHAKEN. :shock:

I still love my Defensor, Abominus, Computron, and God Neptune.
I even bought all the original G1 versions of these to go along the modern ones, along the BWn God Neptune and G2 Devastator.

If the rumored Menasor 2.0 is true, then I'll get that one and his G1 self as well.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Thu May 06, 2021 6:29 am

Something else to keep in mind about the simplicity of the CW figures, part of the cost for developing CW in the first place went to developing the combiner pegs. That meant less money to go to the rest of the figures and likely drove the need to redeco and retool everything to the extreme.

Contrast that with the PotP combiner limbs that were all a bit more complex, because they already had the pegs developed under CW, with only minor changes made for PotP.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Thu May 06, 2021 6:40 am

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And John Warden pitched combiner wars as a line that was going to maximise retools/redecos so there wasn't a budget cut, it was always going to be like that.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby Nuclearxpotato » Thu May 06, 2021 10:39 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:And John Warden pitched combiner wars as a line that was going to maximise retools/redecos so there wasn't a budget cut, it was always going to be like that.

I should've said "increased production cost", 2014-2015 is right when TF figures got more expensive for Hasbro to produce. That's when the Price hikes became more common and older molds were no longer viable for rereleases. I think the best example of this would be the DotM toyline compared to the AoE toyline. Figures in T30 were already slightly simplified (especially Scoop and Starscream) with CW furthering down that path.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Thu May 06, 2021 6:12 pm

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Nuclearxpotato wrote:And I hate to be the boy that cries Mold degradation (people claim that far too much), but Shitstorm is the eighth or so usage of the mold over the course of two years.


I don't think that is likely the case here. Sure it is the 8th use of the mold, but that was just average mold usage during Combiner Wars where just about every mold (except shuttle blast off) was used at least 6-8 times.


True, but I was thinking more about how the complexity and size of the Siegekers would change their mold's stability over time. Also, most CW molds just swapped out parts for a secondary retool mold so that may have lightened the load a bit. I honestly think it's likely that Hasbro just used a slightly cheaper plastic on this release due to some budget-balancing for the figure.


While we're on the topic of CW, am I the only one who has grown to really dislike CW as more time has passed? I think the budget cuts that happened between it and T30 really show in the complexity of the figures (which was slowly adjusted over the rest of the Prime Wars). Like, compare CW Breakdown to TR Hot Rod or PotP Blot / Rippersnapper. It wasn't until PotP that HasTak really found their footing again after the budget issues.
Personally, the only part I really like about CW was the new characters on the roster. I really enjoy Offroad and hope he isn't just forgotten in media.


You're not the only one. Very quickly I realized that there was no way for the joints to hold anything, and the ratchets in the torso hips didn't have enough "Clicks" so all the Gestalts leaned forward when the arms were raised. Don't get me started on the constant repaints with new heads, or jet Blast-Off.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby Razorbeast88 » Sat May 08, 2021 12:38 am

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Postby triKlops » Sat May 08, 2021 9:17 am

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Razorbeast88 wrote:Nemesis prime spoiler pack is back in stock on BBTS for $59.99 USD



Thanks for the heads up! ;)^
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby Razorbeast88 » Sat May 08, 2021 10:43 am

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Razorbeast88 wrote:Nemesis prime spoiler pack is back in stock on BBTS for $59.99 USD



Thanks for the heads up! ;)^
I snagged one for myself.


My pleasure! Makes it all worth it
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby Nemesis Reformatted » Thu May 20, 2021 5:56 am

Any news on the Sparkless Seeker? How are you going to get it? Did you pre-order from Walmart? Waiting to see if they show up in stores? Buying off ebay?

My Walmart got a case of Wave 3 deluxes yesterday but still no sign of the voyagers. I missed Soundwave because I only saw it 1 time but didn't have the money. Now it looks like I might miss this one too.

Why does Walmart's site say it ships on August 3rd when the deluxe have already been out for a month?
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Thu May 20, 2021 6:19 am

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Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Any news on the Sparkless Seeker? How are you going to get it? Did you pre-order from Walmart? Waiting to see if they show up in stores? Buying off ebay?



I don't know for how long you've been collecting toys, but there's one constant that remains unbroken for years. Brick and mortar stores do what they want, how they want. Those stores and the online ones are also at the mercy of the supplier. One thing may shelfwarm in a store while that same thing never went to many other stores. It's unchanging like sunrise.

So, for things that you really want, pre-order them on a reliable site. For others, you'll have to rely on luck.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Thu May 20, 2021 6:35 am

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Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Any news on the Sparkless Seeker? How are you going to get it? Did you pre-order from Walmart? Waiting to see if they show up in stores? Buying off ebay?



I don't know for how long you've been collecting toys, but there's one constant that remains unbroken for years. Brick and mortar stores do what they want, how they want. Those stores and the online ones are also at the mercy of the supplier. One thing may shelfwarm in a store while that same thing never went to many other stores. It's unchanging like sunrise.

So, for things that you really want, pre-order them on a reliable site. For others, you'll have to rely on luck.


If you are in the US, your best bet would be pre-ordering from Walmart as your backup plan and hitting the stores once they first start showing up as your primary plan.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby Nemesis Reformatted » Thu May 20, 2021 6:46 am

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So, for things that you really want, pre-order them on a reliable site. For others, you'll have to rely on luck.


It's a Walmart exclusive & the Walmart site is not reliable. That's why I'm asking what everybody else is doing.

I pre-ordered wave 1 Mirage from the site but found him in stores first. Then I read about all the problems other people had with their pre-orders being canceled, never shipped or the wrong item being shipped.

So I'm trying to figure out what to do about this guy. Since the deluxes are already in American stores & the voyagers have been out in Canada for a while, it feels like waiting is a mistake. Shouldn't these things have already shown up in American stores by now?

TF-fan kev777 wrote:If you are in the US, your best bet would be pre-ordering from Walmart as your backup plan and hitting the stores once they first start showing up as your primary plan.


With my luck with pre-orders I might as well just go straight to ebay.

I have a really bad feeling about this one particular item. And my gut feelings are usually spot-on. It's Walmart after all. :roll:
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Thu May 20, 2021 7:20 am

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The Walmart online store? Unreliable?
Ha!
It went smoothly for many Siege Omega Supreme on sale last year.
And then for Gigawatt, the toy that's everywhere like PLAGUE RATS, my preorder was herpederp cancelled.

So the Walmart online store work like a slot machine. :HEADHURTS:

Like they said, preorder online AND hunt in the physical stores. Better safe than sorry and as far as Walmart is concerned, the only viable strategy.
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Re: NETFLIX Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy TOY line discussion

Postby william-james88 » Thu May 20, 2021 4:04 pm

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Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Any news on the Sparkless Seeker? How are you going to get it? Did you pre-order from Walmart? Waiting to see if they show up in stores? Buying off ebay?

My Walmart got a case of Wave 3 deluxes yesterday but still no sign of the voyagers. I missed Soundwave because I only saw it 1 time but didn't have the money. Now it looks like I might miss this one too.

Why does Walmart's site say it ships on August 3rd when the deluxe have already been out for a month?


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Postby o.supreme » Thu May 20, 2021 4:44 pm

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Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Any news on the Sparkless Seeker? How are you going to get it? Did you pre-order from Walmart? Waiting to see if they show up in stores? Buying off ebay?


Yes I pre-orderd from Walmart, because unfortunately they were sold out on Pulse before I could order. Pretty much everywhere else has got him already, including our neighbors to the north, but we have to wait until August, for *whatever* reason...

Yes I've had issues with walmart pre-orders before, but it is just a hopeful backup plan. Of all the Netflix Voyagers, only Soundwave was impossible for me to find in store, fortunately I didn't want one. I imagine Sparkless Seeker, like Bitstream should be fairly easy to find due to its lack of notoriety. However if you are one of those people that never saw any previous Netflix Voyagers in store, then you can try to pre-order from walmart.com, or try a scalper on eBay, it's up to you.
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