Roadbuster wrote:If not the Ventrilloquist and Scarface, how about Killer Croc?
While I think Nolan can pull it off, I dont think Croc is the type of character he's looking for.
Shadowman wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:right..........like a villian wearing a burlap sack and useing a fear gas calling himseld "The Scarecrow" is more realistic .
Or like a guy wearing clown make up, calling himself the joker is more realistic.
Scarecrow was a psychology expert who used a biochemical weapon to cause intense frightening hallucination in his victims, and used that mask to spray the toxin, protect himself from it, and use it's visage to exacerbate the hallucinations. The Joker was a psychotic criminal genius who loved to cause panic and chaos, and had tons and tons of contingency plans, and above all else, wanted to prove that everyone is as deranged as he is.
None of which changes anything I said.
On the surface both characters are pretty ridicules.
It took Nolan to being the level of realism he wanted to these characters for the films.
And he could easily do the same for the Ventriloquist and Scarface.
Also, I can't believe you of all people forgot this, none of the characters took either of them seriously at first. Falcone was unimpressed with Crane's mask, and even Crane said it doesn't have an effect on sane people. Everyone though the Joker was ridiculous at first, too. No one took him seriously until he started making his really big power plays. Batman even thought he wasn't a threat at first. "One man or the entire mob? He can wait."
Didnt forget it, I didnt see the need to bring it up.
Still dont.
I agree with you, to an extent, though. Despite having somewhat unrealistic aspects, they were still portrayed realistically.
Thanks
How can you possibly portray a ventriloquist dummy as a realistic, threatening villain? I have an imagination, and I can make sense of just about anything. But if it's between a guy with a ventriloquist dummy and a man in hastily applied clown make-up holding a knife to my face chattering about why he's an insane criminal, guess which one I'm more intimidated by?
I already made one suggestion, admitally not a very "Nolan-ish" one.
But heres one that has a "Nolan" ring to it.
Nolan could tweek the Ventriloquist origin and make him related to Carmine Falcone in some way.Former employ, ligament son.Either would link Wesker to Gotham’s criminal underground, Wesker would have easy access to thugs and low-lifes when both Falcone and Salvatore Maroni “exit” the family business.
Wesker’s origin could even be tweaked to fit into Nolan’s continuity. What if he was a victim of the fear gas in the Narrows back in BATMAN BEGINS? Or what if Falcone allowed Scarecrow to run early experiments on Wesker......and if his illigetamate child already predisposed to mental illness, the effects of Scarecrow’s toxin heightened his insanity and brought Scarface into the forefront.
The important part, though, would be to keep the Ventriloquist sympathetic. Wesker is a man who has been betrayed, abused, never having any control over his life.
And now, with the swplit personality taking control,a real desire for power at a base level. You see that in how Scarface manifests his bloodlust, but Wesker has a longing to control his own destiny. He’s an easily intimidated boy-in-man’s-pajamas, which renders him subservient to the dummy on his fingers. In stressing this element of helplessness, Bruce Wayne is granted an opportunity to save Wesker from his madness. Further, if Wesker’s origin is tied into the Narrows, it provides Batman a shot at redemption. He can clean up an old mess, save a sick man’s life and find a shred of the inner-peace he so desperately needs after the events of THE DARK KNIGHT.
Now, to really sell the character, you need an actor who can disappear into the role, just as Heath Ledger disappeared into the Joker’s oversized clown shoes. One guy who could do the job flawlessly , thu I hate to admit, is Johnny Depp.Depp could easily slip into the skin of sheepish Arnold Wesker while simultaneously amping up the ruthless insanity of Scarface. He could deliver a performance that is at once both heart and gut-wrenching.
Of course he does, almost all of Batman's villains do. But you may recall that Batman's best villains can also take him in a fist-fight.
You mean "can try" to take him.
