vectorA3 wrote:Hey, I was reading the other thread and since it was locked, I wanted to chime in here. To Hasbro's credit, they did step in and say no when Sentinel Prime was originally going to be Ultra Magnus (and thus commit the betrayal). They figured Sent. Prime was more of an expendable character.
I blame all parties involved when it comes to the movies as an end product. Spielberg for even picking Bay in the first place. He can't tell a great story with depth, rather just eye candy, lingerie models and crude humor. I blame the writers and Paramount for continuing the movie during the strike and not postponing. ROTF wouldn't have been nearly as bad. ILM saved that movie & carried it on its back. I blame Hasbro for pretty much letting the producers and studios do whatever they want with reckless abandon save for the Sent. Prime thing I mentioned.
This probably won't happen, but I'd like the next movies to be devoid of Bay, Spielberg, and Paramount. Enough is enough.
It would've been better if the movies were written as a trilogy ending with the Unicron story. It looks like GI Joe will be that way so far. Seems more like they just wrote them on the spot for TF though. Not wanting to keep continuity.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
Optimus Primevil wrote:@ vector A3: you forgot the biggest one at fault (IMO anyway): the viewing/buying public. as long as the general public likes the movies and buys the toys (thus making money) then there's no reason for steven, michael, paramount and hasbro to change anything. you could have an all-star cast of highly acclaimed directors,thespians,screenwrites, SFX guys, composers,musicians, create an epic g1 movie that the critics love and have awesome toys that are technically engineering marvels but the public hates(box office bomb,toys are shelfwarmers for decades), it's pratically sad if that was the case.
vectorA3 wrote:Optimus Primevil wrote:@ vector A3: you forgot the biggest one at fault (IMO anyway): the viewing/buying public. as long as the general public likes the movies and buys the toys (thus making money) then there's no reason for steven, michael, paramount and hasbro to change anything. you could have an all-star cast of highly acclaimed directors,thespians,screenwrites, SFX guys, composers,musicians, create an epic g1 movie that the critics love and have awesome toys that are technically engineering marvels but the public hates(box office bomb,toys are shelfwarmers for decades), it's pratically sad if that was the case.
and the DOTM toys aren't shelf warming?? Everywhere I go the pegs are cluttered with them.
I'll take a well made G1 movie that public hates (they're not true fans anyway), than the crap we're getting now. When a beloved franchise is whored out solely to make money -- that is sad.
vectorA3 wrote: I'll take a well made G1 movie that public hates (they're not true fans anyway), than the crap we're getting now. When a beloved franchise is whored out solely to make money -- that is sad.
Optimus Primevil wrote:that's the problem, how many are the 'true'(how does one consider him/herself to be a 'true' fan anyway?) compared to the rest of the public who don't like g1 but liked the bay movies. 'hardcore' videogame fans are scoffing at nintendo's wii for pandering to casuals but the bottomline is hard to ignore and that what it all comes down to, cold hard cash.
and how can a franchise that was born to sell toys whore itself out?
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
5150 Cruiser wrote:vectorA3 wrote: I'll take a well made G1 movie that public hates (they're not true fans anyway), than the crap we're getting now. When a beloved franchise is whored out solely to make money -- that is sad.
It cracks me up when people say things like "They only did this to make money, and that's wrong!" about TF or any other product. Especialy
Thats been the whole purpose of TF since the begining. Lets not forget that since its conception of G1, the whole purpose was to sell toys and make money. And for the most part, it worked very very well. Other wise, we would not even be having this conversation right now.
Optimus Primevil wrote:that's the problem, how many are the 'true'(how does one consider him/herself to be a 'true' fan anyway?) compared to the rest of the public who don't like g1 but liked the bay movies. 'hardcore' videogame fans are scoffing at nintendo's wii for pandering to casuals but the bottomline is hard to ignore and that what it all comes down to, cold hard cash.
and how can a franchise that was born to sell toys whore itself out?
This is 100% correct. The only thing i'd aurgue is that just cause a casual fan liked the movies, doesn't mean he/she can't like G1 as well. Its just like Sentinel Prime/spock said in DOTM...
"The needs of the many, out weight, the needs of the few."
IN this case, the general public/audience is the many, and the fandom the few.
It's not easy to please both. I do however, feel that could have meet half way a little bit better.
vectorA3 wrote:I just don't like how blatant Hollywood & Bay have been about whoring it out
Burn wrote:robofreak doesn't joke. He's all about the serious business of the internet.
ItIsHim wrote:My closet is filled to the brim with plastic children's toys. For myself
Optimus Primevil wrote:"they raped my childhood' is the stock answer for that
robofreak wrote:Not understanding this here. Why does Hasbro need to be accountable? With Paramount and Michael Bay, they created a very succesful Trilogy of box office juggernauts, 3 successful toylines, and breathed new life into the franchise which was at the point of getting lobbed into the Pokemon/YuGiOh category.
Could we have had a better director? Yes. Do I care at this point? no. Why? Cause the franchise is no longer cult status.
ROTF had it's faults, but it had it's high points. Also, the fact that they were even able to make that movie during the writers strike is impressive.
Sentinel Prime does not always have to be based on what lttle we know about him. Seeing how the movieverse is a different world from G1 like how SG is separate from them, I don't really see a need for Sentinel to be the same as his G1 style.
Did I hate Sentinel Prime in the movie? Yes, but not because they "raped a character". It was because he tried to play god and put his own desires above the needs of the many. He was villain who was only repentant when he realized he was going to die.
I just don't understand all the hate for the live action films.
JetOptimus23 wrote:Exactly. Sentinel in this universe is a refreshing deviation of character from the basic cardboard cutout meant to die predecessor. RoTF was bad, yes, but not Batman & Robin bad (as some people are comparing.)
Bay not only brought Transformers back from the brink of Yugioh status, he brought in truckloads of new fans.
Burn wrote:robofreak doesn't joke. He's all about the serious business of the internet.
ItIsHim wrote:My closet is filled to the brim with plastic children's toys. For myself
robofreak wrote:JetOptimus23 wrote:Exactly. Sentinel in this universe is a refreshing deviation of character from the basic cardboard cutout meant to die predecessor. RoTF was bad, yes, but not Batman & Robin bad (as some people are comparing.)
Bay not only brought Transformers back from the brink of Yugioh status, he brought in truckloads of new fans.
What's funny is that the more I see ROTF, the more I think it's a better movie than what the vocal minority says. Yeah, it still had parts that sucked, but there's no denying that ILM really shined in that movie and they did a good job of creating unique parts of the mythos for it.
As much as I like the look of RID and AEC stuff, the franchise would probably not be doing well if they had stuck to that formula and not branched out to newer stuff. Japanese anime has lost a lot of popularity lately so for them to have continued with the style, it just would not have lasted. Especially with new Marvel movies and old 80's cartoon reboots out right now.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
BeastProwl wrote:As one a page back said... He has a problem with energon? I liked energon! The show and toys were great fun to me!
On topic, I tink that Bay and Hasbro are both culprits here, at least to those of you who DON'T like the films. I for one, Love ALL 3 Films. I just have a few MINOR Complaints, mainly in the character's just up and dissapearing department, otherwise, the films are great fun, and are ment for your intertainment! If you paid to go see the film, just remember this:
If you paid to see it, Your just like the rest of us.
If you didn't like what you saw, Jus thank Primus it wasn't as bad as The Last Airbender, And Dragonball Evolution. the problems with BOTH those movies is, they tried to recreate complex stories, and failed miserably. Transformers, however, has been re-invented countless times, and That's what gives it the ability to be re-invented again, only for the big screen! New universe, familiar faces, same names, Lots of $$$.
JetOptimus23 wrote:...Why did you include Energon in the list of styles you liked...?
Burn wrote:robofreak doesn't joke. He's all about the serious business of the internet.
ItIsHim wrote:My closet is filled to the brim with plastic children's toys. For myself
Decepticon_Vandal wrote:I'm sure all entities involved in the production of the films are responsible for the sub-par quality of the recent Transformers movies. I will, however, make honorable mentions of Steve Jablonsky on a beautiful score and the special effects teams for top notch CGI. Unfortunately, pretty pictures and sounds a good film does not make.
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