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_shaddow_ wrote:Whoa seriously Takara ? Just because you paint a figure in the same color scheme as lio prime doesn't make it a lio prime. I'm pretty sure it's Thundertron's head and the peg leg wasn't replaced by a regular one. It's rare for me to say that, but I'm seriously disappointed.

I'm intrigued by your statement. What would make it Lio Prime for you? A head-swap? This might be a rather bad comparison, but recall how drastically Optimus Primal (and pretty much everyone else except Megatron) changed from Beast Wars to Beast Machines? Judging by head-sculpt and color scheme, BM Optimus Primal could have been a completely new character, were it not for the show establishing that it IS in fact Primal.

Conversely, Big Convoy bears startling resemblance to Lio Convoy, Beast Convoy, and Convoy. Yet are they all the same characters?

I, for one, don't care too much for the Star Seekers, so don't mind calling the repaint "Lio Prime." I'll just create a story in my head wherein "Lio Prime goes back to a reformated technorganic Cybertron and as such must be reformatted."

Many of our beloved characters, as far back as G1, were created by Has/Tak simply slapping a new color and a new name on an existing mold.

Leo Prime has a peg leg now. So what? Deal with it. It's OK for characters to change and evolve.

As the poster above me suggested, if it doesn't work within existing fiction, make up your own fiction. All of the fiction in the TF universe was created to support the toys, not the other way around.

_shaddow_ wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:No retooling is done for that leg: the claw weapon can peg into the peg leg to make a proper foot for Thundertron:

See image insert

Ah, you misunderstood what I wanted to say. Thundertron's legs are made to be totally symetrical in construction, so I though they would just put two regular legs instead of giving him the pegleg, which looks weird with the foot on it.

I'm pretty sure Leo Prime will have hints of him being a (former) pirate in his bios After all not all pirates are bad if Kaizoku Sentai Gokaiger is any indication.

The first ever TakaraTomy figure to be named "Leo Prime" instead of "Lio Convoy" in their market.

Whildrider doesn't seem to have Wheeljack's head, but I can't tell if he has Dead End's or a new one.

I kinda like Thundertron's colors better than Leo Prime's, and I'm sure if I get around to reading Exodus and Exiles, I'll feel more strongly about it.

Would it have killed them to give Rumble and Frenzy differently-colored arms microns, rather than the same one in the same colors for both?

Just realized Lio Prime's micron is a re"mold" of Arc (Arcee's micron). The transformation is very similar, the peg is just placed somewhere else.

Nemesis Primal wrote:Whildrider doesn't seem to have Wheeljack's head, but I can't tell if he has Dead End's or a new one.

I kinda like Thundertron's colors better than Leo Prime's, and I'm sure if I get around to reading Exodus and Exiles, I'll feel more strongly about it.

Would it have killed them to give Rumble and Frenzy differently-colored arms microns, rather than the same one in the same colors for both?

the Frumble Microns presumably form piledrivers. Since only one comes with each toy, them being the same colour means you can give one of the pair both arms as piledrivers and he won't be asymmetrical.

Wildrider looks damn nice. Leo Prime is pretty cool too, and the micron sword is a lot nicer than the thing Thundertron got stuck with.

Hello Classics Lio Convoy... (that atrocious repaint of Cybertron Leobreaker doesn't count)

Notice that both Rumble and Frenzy seem to use the alternate headsculpt of thta mold that the Hasbro Rumble doesn't use.

Sabrblade wrote:Notice that both Rumble and Frenzy seem to use the alternate headsculpt of thta mold that the Hasbro Rumble doesn't use.

Thank you for making the choice between PRiD and AM just a little bit harder. Hmmmm... Hasbro blue + TakaraTomy red = two Hasbro weapons, but only one Arms Micron...

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Notice that both Rumble and Frenzy seem to use the alternate headsculpt of thta mold that the Hasbro Rumble doesn't use.

Thank you for making the choice between PRiD and AM just a little bit harder. Hmmmm... Hasbro blue + TakaraTomy red = two Hasbro weapons, but only one Arms Micron...

Why not just get all three?

Also, when I was on Allspark, I asked Hydra how he'd handle the toy bios of these two with them being FIBRIR when Hasbro's Rumble is blue... and I got this response:

Oh, just wait for it...

Color me excited.

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Notice that both Rumble and Frenzy seem to use the alternate headsculpt of thta mold that the Hasbro Rumble doesn't use.

Thank you for making the choice between PRiD and AM just a little bit harder. Hmmmm... Hasbro blue + TakaraTomy red = two Hasbro weapons, but only one Arms Micron...

Why not just get all three?

And have one be weaponless? Seriously, putting symmetry in weapons can give me a headache. The ideal solution would be Hasbro releasing Frenzy, or TakaraTomy releasing the Micron as a standalone. Bah, one Hasbro weapon plus a Micron looks so... unbalanced.

Sabrblade wrote:Also, when I was on Allspark, I asked Hydra how he'd handle the toy bios of these two with them being FIBRIR when Hasbro's Rumble is blue... and I got this response:

Oh, just wait for it...

Color me excited.

Pun intended?

Happy accident.

craggy wrote:Leo Prime is pretty cool too, and the micron sword is a lot nicer than the thing Thundertron got stuck with.

I ahppen to like the way Thundertron's thing looks. It's one of the few Powerizer weapons that actually looks like a weapon bot ways, plus both wolverine-style claws and decently-sized wrist swords are pretty nice weapons in my book.

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Please excuse me while I squee with Joy and dig up my recolor from a few months ago that had the lion repainted as Victory Leo that I posted here first in almost that exact scheme. Assuming this isn't some prank.
EDIT: My original photo. different name and the wing color is different, but I so nailed the general paint scheme.

Flashwave wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Ironhide/Starscream wrote:Thundertron is reminding me of the Lion Zord from Power Rangers Wild Force...

He actually reminds me more of Cybertron Snarl:



In case you're wondering, there is such thing called a maned wolf

Really? "Winged Transforming Lion" And we get "That looks like a Zord" and Cyb Snarl... Ya'll should be asahmed,you're about to get punked by a kid who wasn't even born for Vicorty series...


(crappy photoshop by moi)

Does no one else in this entire fandom see this?

[/sarcasm]

Anyway, all joking aside, what's the fear with balljoint hips, anyway?

I'm liking Magnus. The Hammer could fold up better, but its the first weapon I like. Meg's is okay, I guess.

Torn on the Rumble and Frenzy. I like 'em, but I must admit I prefer the classics tanks. The Honda Civic alts are an interesting twist though.

What I don't get, why are we calling him Leo Prime? He looks nothing like the BW White Lion, and even the Target Exclusive white lion is closer, albeit not as clean looking: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... ine/17177/

tempted to get rumble and frenzy. but i got hasbros so ill just pick up the other dont really care if one has a micron and the other doesnt will help set them apart other than color.

will hopefully get leo prime and wild rider as well.

So Rumble is Red? I have both on preorder but only want the red one. Might still get the Hasbro one too, though I don't normally get the blue ones.

Wildrider also looks really cool, but I don't collect the character, so unless Hasbro releases it, it's a definite no.

Flashwave wrote:What I don't get, why are we calling him Leo Prime?

Because that's what Takara's calling this toy.

Though, I think we've got something closer than any previous suggestions as to what the Thundertron toy most resembles: Murasame Liger.

Sabrblade wrote:

Flashwave wrote:What I don't get, why are we calling him Leo Prime?

Because that's what Takara's calling this toy.

Plus, TakaraTomy has been shying away from Japanese names for 5 years straight now. So no more Convoys.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Flashwave wrote:What I don't get, why are we calling him Leo Prime?

Because that's what Takara's calling this toy.

Plus, TakaraTomy has been shying away from Japanese names for 5 years straight now. So no more Convoys.

Except for at least the Masterpieces.

Masterpieces represent the G1 versions of the characters. Only new iterations of characters get the westernized names.

That Bot wrote:Masterpieces represent the G1 versions of the characters. Only new iterations of characters get the westernized names.

United and Alternity (Goldbug, in particular) use G1 characters with Hasbro names.

Sabrblade wrote:

That Bot wrote:Masterpieces represent the G1 versions of the characters. Only new iterations of characters get the westernized names.

United and Alternity (Goldbug, in particular) use G1 characters with Hasbro names.

Just United. Alternity still had Convoy, Bumble, and Cliff, though they bucked the trend with Goldbug.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

That Bot wrote:Masterpieces represent the G1 versions of the characters. Only new iterations of characters get the westernized names.

United and Alternity (Goldbug, in particular) use G1 characters with Hasbro names.

Just United. Alternity still had Convoy, Bumble, and Cliff, though they bucked the trend with Goldbug.

Hence why I singled out Goldbug. He started the change for this line, but it happened that all post-Goldbug releases were characters that either had the same names for both markets to begin with or lacked a separate name for the other market.