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by **Waylander** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:40 am

good to hear, not that it stopped many lvl bullies.

also to help get the word out about this subject, maybe a news post in the game will help get more input here from others whom are not forum active, i know i went years without posting 50 posts myself.

just a idea. if those tools are still working that is.

News Credits: 42 · by **Psychout** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:56 am

The more I think about this, the more im agreeing with Burn. As the tactics advantage vary so heavily from level to level; ram is useful all the time, strafe from ~L4+, repair from ~L6+ and avoid only helpful until ~L5, there isn’t really a way to balance them (that I can think of anyway.) So, after writing the groups out a few times, I tried to apply Burns pricipal; what about forcing strafe and repair to be unlockable if you want them as a secondary tactic? They would still be available as normal as primary toctics, but to have them as a secondary skill will require more stats but marginally less tactic costs.

Avoid/ram – 1000/2500
Avoid/strafe – 1000/2500
Avoid/repair – 1000/2500

Ram/avoid – 1000/2500
Ram/repair – 1000/2000 (int 2 to unlock)

Strafe/avoid –1000/2500
Strafe/repair – 1000/2000 (int 2)

Repair/avoid – 1000/2500
Repair/ram – 1000/2500
Repair/strafe – 1000/2000 (skl 2)

(Special)
Strafe/Ram – 1000/2500 (skl 3 int 3)
Ram/strafe – 1000/2500 (skl 3 int 3)

I also toyed with the idea of dropping avoid's cost as a secndary by 500, which would allow more players to level up faster in the lower levels but that advantage would be negated from mid level onwards as avoid became less effective. This hoqwever is just an idea.

Now, we can try and take into account the frequency of tactic activation and see where that takes us...

Comments please...

News Credits: 7 · by **Chaoslock** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:32 am

I still think there should be some classes that use both of their tactics at same costs, like:

Base:
- Strafe: 1600 (1 int and 3 skill to unlock)
- Repair: 1600 (1 skill and 3 int to unlock)

These classes, while heavy on the needed unlocking stats, would really show their power around mid-high levels.

Psychout wrote:Now, we can try and take into account the frequency of tactic activation and see where that takes us...

OK, but the beefing stats (if there is one) could make the number crunching hard (as I know, courage is supposed to heighten the frequency of tactics...)

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:07 am

i think secondary costs coukld stay at 3000. 2000 or 2500 paired with a 1000 cost tactic seems too cheap.

personally i'm not a fan of requiring skill AND int to unlock tactics that really dont need it, and it shouldn't cost more than 2 or 3 skill points to unlock a tactic.

by **Waylander** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:12 am

looks ok to me, but i kinda liked the option to have 3 different tactic cost for each alt class setup-or even 2-, they all cost the same at the end but it gives you more play room in the lower and mid lvls with tactics, high lvls can afford whatever is set, and would not matter much to them. plus would limit the cloning a bit. plus the unlock costs would aid the strafe repair build and limit the others.

never was a fan of the locked tactics, skill is not that bad for a strafer, but sucks for a all others, INT is only good for repairers, but trial and error like in life is how things are tested out, i know my 5 repairers will love the new costs in any case, and seeing more than a hand full of alt classes in missions will be a nice,well over due change for me at least.

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:26 pm

could a few weapons be overhauled to make skill and fpr more worth it? to make weapons not pointless in mid levels and let skill do something more useful than be a requirement for tactics

by **Spectral Dragon** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:40 pm

Maybe either allow or increase the bonus from strength for skill weapons? Especially considering the fact that your skill only weapons tend to be hand held things like maces and swords.

by **clover** » Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:57 pm

oh and for weapon ideas== i hope the- heart of cybertron - is a 10/10 one,if a 10/10 is ever needed, kind of a G1 fan . ty for your time.

News Credits: 1 · by **Absolute Zero** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:16 am

I don't know if this has been asked before, but how difficult would it be to add some of those tactics that were thought up before, like fireblast? Could an existing tactic, like ram, be copied-paste-edited for it, changing the name of ram to fireblast, and the feeder stat to whatever the feeder stat for fireblast would be?

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:36 pm

Absolute Zero wrote:I don't know if this has been asked before, but how difficult would it be to add some of those tactics that were thought up before, like fireblast? Could an existing tactic, like ram, be copied-paste-edited for it, changing the name of ram to fireblast, and the feeder stat to whatever the feeder stat for fireblast would be?

Thats exactly what i would love to see done. but it was said no new tactics (for now?)

by **Waylander** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:24 pm

yeah , a lot of the new tactics -sorry ,best word i could think of-would be nice to have, but back on the subject.

as for even tactic costs, i was thinking for all the combos except STRAFE/RAM, of getting one of even cost. or even make a new alt group with said costs, action masters,gastalt or something , and see how they work, but now i got to get back on subject. with most combos there is about 8 if not more of each tactic combo, and if single tactic alts get one added, all the numbers increase, "that is another reason why i think having the option would not be a bad idea", and the number fun begins, in truth i would like to see 3 tactic cost groups added for most of the groups, but thats just me i guess.

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:28 pm

what about dual same tactics? i.e. a avoid/avoid. make them cost 1k and 3k, but it gives more chances for tactics to fire off. a ram/ram or a strafe/strafe would be interesting

News Credits: 1 · by **Redimus** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:47 pm

I'm not sure the game in it's current guise could handle that.

News Credits: 42 · by **Psychout** » Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:23 am

For those of you waiting for the test stats, I still need a 'bot volounteer to help so if you know one who would be good please give them a shout, ill be watitng til after the tourney has finished to start this as I dont want to crash Reds party. go cons!

Now onto your letters...

Name_Violation wrote:what about dual same tactics? i.e. a avoid/avoid. make them cost 1k and 3k, but it gives more chances for tactics to fire off. a ram/ram or a strafe/strafe would be interesting

Im awaiting a response about that currently, having gone through all the con alts (as they are the only ones I can see) there are some that just wouldnt work with a different secondary tactic so doubling up on the lead one makes more sense, Im just waiting to work out where the pitfalls are likely to be. They wont be cheap though...

Waylander wrote:in truth i would like to see 3 tactic cost groups added for most of the groups

Im looking at the possibility of some specialist 3-tactic groups, however IF they make it into the game they will be statted for the highest levels only.

Absolute Zero wrote:Could an existing tactic, like ram, be copied-paste-edited for it, changing the name of ram to fireblast, and the feeder stat to whatever the feeder stat for fireblast would be?

Thats one for Mkall really. In theory it should work, but in practice things are never quite that simple...

News Credits: 1 · by **Absolute Zero** » Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:43 am

Psychout wrote:For those of you waiting for the test stats, I still need a 'bot volounteer to help so if you know one who would be good please give them a shout, ill be watitng til after the tourney has finished to start this as I dont want to crash Reds party. go cons!

Did I miss something? test stats?

Absolute Zero wrote:Could an existing tactic, like ram, be copied-paste-edited for it, changing the name of ram to fireblast, and the feeder stat to whatever the feeder stat for fireblast would be?
Thats one for Mkall really. In theory it should work, but in practice things are never quite that simple...

Yeah. I wish I could say I've never run into "Why wont this work! Everything is there and it's where it should be!"

News Credits: 42 · by **Psychout** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:19 am

Absolute Zero wrote:
Psychout wrote:For those of you waiting for the test stats, I still need a 'bot volounteer to help so if you know one who would be good please give them a shout, ill be watitng til after the tourney has finished to start this as I dont want to crash Reds party. go cons!
Did I miss something? test stats?

For the tactic recharge times (its apparently why tactics on some alts seem much more expensive). Ill explain all after Reds tourney has been won by the cons.

News Credits: 42 · by **Psychout** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:21 am

Psychout wrote:Now onto your letters...
Name_Violation wrote:what about dual same tactics? i.e. a avoid/avoid. make them cost 1k and 3k, but it gives more chances for tactics to fire off. a ram/ram or a strafe/strafe would be interesting

Im awaiting a response about that currently,

And unfortunately its a no due to the way the game is written. I have instigated 'plan B' and will get back to ya'll as soon as I know.

News Credits: 1 · by **Redimus** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:33 am

Psychout wrote: by the cons.

There's little chance of any other outcome.

And unfortunately its a no due to the way the game is written. I have instigated 'plan B' and will get back to ya'll as soon as I know.[/quote]
I suspected it wouldn't work, wasn't there a stink about the game not being able to handle stats with more than 10 a while back?

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:04 pm

Redimus GTS wrote:I suspected it wouldn't work, wasn't there a stink about the game not being able to handle stats with more than 10 a while back?

the game handled stats over 10 just fine :WHISTLE:

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:35 pm

Name_Violation wrote:
Redimus GTS wrote:I suspected it wouldn't work, wasn't there a stink about the game not being able to handle stats with more than 10 a while back?

the game handled stats over 10 just fine

Then i'm sure players will be able to handle their characters being reset to zero if they're discovered to have stats over 10. :WHISTLE:

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:37 pm

Burn wrote:
Name_Violation wrote:
Redimus GTS wrote:I suspected it wouldn't work, wasn't there a stink about the game not being able to handle stats with more than 10 a while back?

the game handled stats over 10 just fine

Then i'm sure players will be able to handle their characters being reset to zero if they're discovered to have stats over 10.

remember that whole "stats over 10" thread. i fixed them after that. :grin:

and i only used them in 1 on 1's with RoS

News Credits: 42 · by **Psychout** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:20 am

Redimus GTS wrote:
Psychout wrote: by the cons.

There's little chance of any other outcome.
And unfortunately its a no due to the way the game is written. I have instigated 'plan B' and will get back to ya'll as soon as I know.

I suspected it wouldn't work, wasn't there a stink about the game not being able to handle stats with more than 10 a while back?

Ahhh, but that wasn't what caused the problem...

Still, there is still hope, this project is nowhere near dead yet.

by **Waylander** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:42 am

Sharkticon
have seen the Allicon,and Sharkticon in the Help/Tactics page for some time now. now i see it is being tested, nice to see some things moving forward.

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:12 pm

Waylander wrote:Sharkticon
have seen the Allicon,and Sharkticon in the Help/Tactics page for some time now. now i see it is being tested, nice to see some things moving forward.

00:15 Sharky transforms into a Sharkticon and Bites Danbot.
I WANT ONE !!!!!! SICK!!!!!
I was hopin they'd be a strong sea creature or a predator, but hey, whatev's

News Credits: 1 · by **Redimus** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:38 pm

Waylander wrote:Sharkticon
have seen the Allicon,and Sharkticon in the Help/Tactics page for some time now. now i see it is being tested, nice to see some things moving forward.

That's an entirely unrelated thing. If you check the official rules of my tournie, you'll notice the Sharkticon is one of the two prizes for the winning faction. Mkall needed to check that Bite (Ram, with a different name) still worked first.

EDIT

Name_Violation wrote:I WANT ONE !!!!!! SICK!!!!!

The rate the bots are going, you'll be able to have one (as long as stuff gets fixed back stage from the Hardware failure), but as I said, it's only Ram with a different name. Same tactic, same feeder, same effect.