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G1 Prime vs G1 Galvatron.

Who will win this match?

Galvatron

he didnt have to be wielded by his goon

Galvatron, unless we're talking about powermaster Prime, in that case the fight could go either way.

I'm leaning toward Galvatron, even if it's Powermaster Prime, he's supposed be able to fight an army of reg Primes. This along with thinking the Prime that Galvatron killed in his timeline (comic) was Powermaster Prime kinda Galvanizes my decission.

Yet in Alignment it is stated that Prime killed Galvatron but was damaged so much that a stasis field had to be created around him in order to keep him alive. So no matter how close it was Prime won.

But i guess seeing as Alignment followed G2 i'm thinking the Prime was his Hero mode. Which i guess is Powermaster level? Correct me if i'm wrong.

AxiomScion wrote:I'm leaning toward Galvatron, even if it's Powermaster Prime, he's supposed be able to fight an army of reg Primes. This along with thinking the Prime that Galvatron killed in his timeline (comic) was Powermaster Prime kinda Galvanizes my decission.

You do know that Galvatron's More Than Meets the Eye profile was narrated by Cyclonus, who quite obviously had a strong bias in Galvatron's favor. Note how Cyclonus discusses how his 'asymmetric thinking' is an advantage while in the weaknesses section, narrated by another, less biased, Decepticon, basically says he's insane.

That said, I've never seen Galvatron do anything to make me believe he is much more powerful than Megatron, even in those awful UK comics, and he always loses to Rodimus Prime. Optimus Prime would clean his clock.

Outburst wrote:Yet in Alignment it is stated that Prime killed Galvatron but was damaged so much that a stasis field had to be created around him in order to keep him alive. So no matter how close it was Prime won.

But i guess seeing as Alignment followed G2 i'm thinking the Prime was his Hero mode. Which i guess is Powermaster level? Correct me if i'm wrong.

I may be wrong in this correction...
Regga G1 Prime= Cabin mech, trailer office base, and personal secretary roller. I IMHO think G2 Megs could take a trio of these if not an army.

Power Master prime= Cabin mech, trailer supermode/ base, and personal technician Hi-Q. I think lost to G2 Megs.

G2 Optimus Prime= the mold that got painted black in RiD. G2 Prime may have beat Galvatron, and has held his own with G2 Megs.

As much as i am not a fan of Rodimus Prime, I think he's ment to be physically better than Regga Prime. I've subscribe to the IDW notion that while Prime and Megs are the most effective leaders and best physically well rounded mechs in there size class, there are those who physically out class them even in there hey day. I've thought that before ever reading DW too; perhaps that makes me bias like Cyclonus

Devastron is likely right about Galvatron's More Than Meets the Eye profile, but I was certain i saw a comic with Galvatron killing a Prime that Looked much more like the comic representaion of Power master Prime than that of Regga Prime. I'll have to see if i can relocate the image.

I know you weren't calling me bias Dev

AxiomScion wrote:

Outburst wrote:Yet in Alignment it is stated that Prime killed Galvatron but was damaged so much that a stasis field had to be created around him in order to keep him alive. So no matter how close it was Prime won.

But i guess seeing as Alignment followed G2 i'm thinking the Prime was his Hero mode. Which i guess is Powermaster level? Correct me if i'm wrong.

I may be wrong in this correction...
Regga G1 Prime= Cabin mech, trailer office base, and personal secretary roller. I IMHO think G2 Megs could take a trio of these if not an army.

Power Master prime= Cabin mech, trailer supermode/ base, and personal technician Hi-Q. I think lost to G2 Megs.

G2 Optimus Prime= the mold that got painted black in RiD. G2 Prime may have beat Galvatron, and has held his own with G2 Megs.

As much as i am not a fan of Rodimus Prime, I think he's ment to be physically better than Regga Prime. I've subscribe to the IDW notion that while Prime and Megs are the most effective leaders and best physically well rounded mechs in there size class, there are those who physically out class them even in there hey day. I've thought that before ever reading DW too; perhaps that makes me bias like Cyclonus

Devastron is likely right about Galvatron's More Than Meets the Eye profile, but I was certain i saw a comic with Galvatron killing a Prime that Looked much more like the comic representaion of Power master Prime than that of Regga Prime. I'll have to see if i can relocate the image.

I know you weren't calling me bias Dev

Ok Axiom i have a few problems with some of your statements. There is nothing to suggest that G2 Megs could beat G1 Prime in a straight fight, let alone 3. Powermaster Prime never fought G2 Megs as far as i know, he was destroyed killing unicron then hiQ was reformatted into Action master Prime. G2 Prime to my mind is just G1 Prime with a black trailer. Essentially Actionmaster Prime allowed to transform again. G2 Megs did beat this Prime in the comics albeit when Prime was trying to talk Megs into a truce. And it is this Prime (see alignment cover) that fought Galvatron before Alignment.
And why is Roddy Prime supposed to be physically better than OP? Only time they fought was in the cartoons and Op certainly seemed superior.
Unless it is Powermaster Prime i do still think Galvatron would win this fight. But Galvatron would likely beat any transformer. I just don't think you give G1 Prime the credit he deserves.

I try to admit when i'm wrong so lets see were it is.

Outburst wrote:Ok Axiom i have a few problems with some of your statements. There is nothing to suggest that G2 Megs could beat G1 Prime in a straight fight, let alone 3.

I considered G2 Megatron a vast upgrade from his G1 design, much in the way Powermaster Prime is a vast upgrade from his standard cabin mech mode. I think Powermaster Prime could defeat 3 of his original cabin selves or even two non-nucleon enhanced Grimlocks with Furman writing it

Also Powermaster Prime at least seems to be able to fight gestalts, and (I know cabin prime has too but) without the need of superior tactics. ie in a straight fight and trading some attacks. G2 Megs seems capable of soaking up comparable damage too. I don't know what PM Prime has to balance out with G2 Meg's implosion abilities... but then this is Prime and Galvatron.

Outburst wrote:Powermaster Prime never fought G2 Megs as far as i know, he was destroyed killing unicron then hiQ was reformatted into Action master Prime.

Yep here it is. I'm wrong. Without Hi-Q on his belly it's not really PowerMaster tech anymore is it? I actually thought PM Prime was Hero Prime too. My mistake...

Outburst wrote:G2 Prime to my mind is just G1 Prime with a black trailer. Essentially Actionmaster Prime allowed to transform again. G2 Megs did beat this Prime in the comics albeit when Prime was trying to talk Megs into a truce. And it is this Prime (see alignment cover) that fought Galvatron before Alignment.

See to me Prime downgraded back to his G1 frame representative of his 1st G2 toy with the black trailer. In my mind this form is meant to be the same as his original G1 form but maybe with a little more firepower from the extra guns.

Seeing as this is his 1st form in G2, I can see how this was considered the one I meant. What I considered his G2 form was also not his Hero mold as this one was decidedly defeated by G2 Megs. I do consider this Hero mold on par with his Powermaster, or maybe Actionmaster, form as he did downgrade from those then upgraded to this one to fight G2 Megs. Hero Prime also has the trailer intergraded into his mech mode like PM Prime's supermode or perhaps like Motormaster. I don't have the comics so maybe the fight wasn't one sided and perhaps the truce talks left Prime vulnerable somehow.

What i did consider Primes G2 mold was the Laser Optimus Prime that looks like RiD Scourge. Since the matrix essentially reformatted him into it to fight G2 Megs, I figure it is meant to be on par with the G2 Megs. This is also my line of thought for Rodimus Prime. Again, i could be wrong.

In thinking Laser O. Prime was the only G2 Prime, I was also wrong.

Outburst wrote:And why is Roddy Prime supposed to be physically better than OP? Only time they fought was in the cartoons and Op certainly seemed superior.

I try not to subscribe that closely to the G1 toon portrayal. Prime was and is far more popular among the fandom. i think after the move to kill Prime this is the episode that brings him back, right?. If they rewrote the end of The GI Joe movie because of the flack they got from The TF movie, I doubt they were going to let Rodimus show up even the Zombie Prime. If zombie Prime beats Rodimus, and Rodimus consistently beats Galvatron... then yes G1 toon reggae cabin Prime makes short work of G1 toon Galvatron being a poor substitute for Megatron let alone an demi-god upgrade.

However, In the comics Galvatron seemed far beyond other transformers, likely a match for any short of the original 13. For Rodimus to hope to break even with this monster, i think he'ld need to be physically better that the cabin Prime. We know he's not mentally Optimus' equal but he was reformatted by the matrix to combat G1 Galvatron, right? Optimus Prime was re-built to combat G1 Megatron, right? Is Megatron and Galvatron physically equal? I understand the G1 Megs and G1 Galvatron fight was ambiguous at best. Paradox's spoil some of the best fights for me.

still i'ld be pressed to consider Rodimus a match for PM Prime, and he'ld kinda need to be for Galvatron to decidedly be able to match the practically combiner sized, and powered, O. Prime.

Outburst wrote:Unless it is Powermaster Prime i do still think Galvatron would win this fight. But Galvatron would likely beat any transformer. I just don't think you give G1 Prime the credit he deserves.

I really don't mean to down play Optimus Prime's cabin mode; lets just say I consider it the processing software that defines Optimus in battle not his armour plated hardware. You know, like Batman without his utility belt. To me, Rodimus works the other way around as does a looney Galvatron.

A sane Galvatron would likely overpower either G1 Megs or G1 cabin Prime as even in the movie he associated himself with his preformatted Megaself.

I hope you were able follow my train of thought, sometimes even i get a little lost

i go for optimus with his skill and ability.

AxiomScion wrote:but I was certain i saw a comic with Galvatron killing a Prime that Looked much more like the comic representaion of Power master Prime than that of Regga Prime. I'll have to see if i can relocate the image.

I know you weren't calling me bias Dev

I know what you're talking about, but it was just a delusion that Galvatron had during Timewars.

Powermaster Prime was kicking Gavlatron's ass while he was in this confused state (which is kinda unfair).

Stormwolf wrote:

AxiomScion wrote:but I was certain i saw a comic with Galvatron killing a Prime that Looked much more like the comic representaion of Power master Prime than that of Regga Prime. I'll have to see if i can relocate the image.

I know you weren't calling me bias Dev

I know what you're talking about, but it was just a delusion that Galvatron had during Timewars.

Powermaster Prime was kicking Gavlatron's ass while he was in this confused state (which is kinda unfair).

Considering that this Galvatron was also loopy, which disappoints me as a supposed continuation of Megatron, i guess that makes more since then my line of thought.

So i guess i am agreeing with Stormwolf and Outburst who knew...

Optimus Prime. All the way.

There is one alternate reality where Galvatron had successfully conquered Earth and killed rodimus prime. Also Unicron has destroyed Cybertron.

In this issue, Galvatron also kills cyclonus for being beaten by an autobot. Scourge is also killed.

Actually Prime rarely ever fought Galvatron he spent most of his time defeating decepticon leaders Scorponok, Megatron and Ratbat.

In Time wars Galvatron was mentally inbalanced due to blaster firing high frequencies at him (who wouldn't be) so the excessive noise drove him mad.

To be fair to the UKcomics no one in the US would touch Galvatron or any of the movie figures for some unknown reason. If shown they were always depicted as crap and useless.

Actually, for me - Transformers:The Movie is the main point here.

Optimus does beat Megatron and without Hot Rods intervention, would still be pretty hurt anyways. Galvatron is clearly a lot harder than Megatron and it takes the Matrix to actually beat him.

So for me, its Galvatron.

If we're gonna go by the comics from the 80s.

UK - Galvatron. In order for Prime to actually defeat Galvatron, Galvatron had to have half his head shot off.

US - Galvatron. Not only does he actually defeat Rodimus Prime in the future, but he also manages to survive a massive hit from Unicron and the subsequent 2nd Ark crash. Although Fortress Maximus does actually polish Galvatron off, later.

Galvatron would win

i think people like him more

Amelie wrote:Actually, for me - Transformers:The Movie is the main point here.

Optimus does beat Megatron and without Hot Rods intervention, would still be pretty hurt anyways. Galvatron is clearly a lot harder than Megatron and it takes the Matrix to actually beat him.

So for me, its Galvatron.

My thinking, I believe, sort of works with yours, cause I'm basing this on the 86 movie as well.
Even if Hot Rod doesn't get involved, and Prime still knocks Megatron out, he's not going to be in all that great shape either. I know the killing blow was made possible by HR's mess, but still if you figure Megatron would have found some way to suckerpunch Prime, at best we'd have a draw where both would have survived but been worse for wear. Assuming the battle just ends in a draw because both fighters are unable to continue, the Decepticons flee and Prime is restored, but Starscream still tosses the wounded to stop Astrotrain from whining, Megatron still finds Unicron and is still reformatted, then the next time it would be Prime vs. Galvatron, and with Prime surviving Megatron (in this newly editted version) by a draw, I think Galvatron may be too much for Prime.

I say Galvatron for being a souped up Megatron, while Prime I'm assuming stays reg'ler old Prime.

For some reason, this battle makes me think of the classic "I bet my dad could beat up your dad" idea between two cousins... Anyway, and as much as I hate to say it, I think Galvatron would win, but just barely. I could see Optimus winning, but that's assuming that he's fighting Galvatron after he went mad, where his lack of mental capabilities would probably be a slight disadvantage.

Since we're all talking about alternate realities.

In the Japanese continuoum, it took the combine might of the Headmasters to clean Galvatron's clock.He like laid in the Artic like a popsicle for years before being upgraded back to Super Megatron ver. 1,2,3.

Though not directly mentioned, Star Giant may just be another of Unicron's persona right?

Well Convoy/Optimus Prime also received an upgrade into Star Convoy who beat the scr@p out of Super Megatron 3 times! Though Super Megatron's state of mind was never mentioned, so I am assuming he was back to his old sane self so being insane does give one an advantage.

I too beleive galvatron would defeat optimus prime in a head on fight if galvatron wasn't insane but he would come off severely wounded likely.

In the future of the Generation two timeline Galvatron II did return dueled and nearly killed megatron but was also defeated by prime who was severely wounded according to the summary of the end of Generation two comic.

It's a shame Galvatron was insane if not he would have been the greatest decepticon warrior of all time. There are even timelines where he has conquered all of Cybertron and killed the entire Autobot race. Maybe he misses Starscream?

I don't really regard the Armada/energon galvatron as being galvatrons as they are basically megatron who has had a facepaint. Same personality thoguh.

i would say galvatron he faught grimlock and the guardian at the same time and survived

In Marvel UK G1, there was a story called 'Time Wars'. In that, Galvatron fought Powermaster Prime. PP was doing well but the fight was interrupted by a 'time tornado' and G was sucked off in pieces.

PP has a good chance of beating G, thanks to Hi Q the Powermaster partner.

Regular Optimus would have a tougher time against G. If he was mentally prepared, he'd do better. Otherwise, he might be overcome.

Remember that G1 G was more than a little crazy, so he was unpredictable.