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[Sabrblade]

I feel witty.

Oh so witty
You feel witty and gritty and right

[BlueBefore]

Akiva Goldsman wrote Batman and Robin.... So now we might get an Optimus Prime with nipples!

Didn't know Transformers fans could be this illiterate when it comes to film.

In what way exactly... He did write that movie, did he not? And was it not famous for the unnecessary Bat nipples and ass shots? Maybe it wasn't written into the script, but that's a great resume enhancement. Unless I've hurt your feelings, and at the same time identified the one person who liked that steamy pile.

[Desslok2201]

Films on Cybertron and even Beast Wars films being live action makes no sense from an economic standpoint and Akiva has written some fairly competent films like Batman Forever and Cinderella Man.

Of course we can't have films on Cybertron or in the Beast Era. We can't shill hyper-expensive concept cars in the former or have blisteringly obnoxious human stars in the latter.

You think you are witty but you just aren't.

Really? I feel witty.

It's ok... I think you're witty

[Shuttershock]

Films on Cybertron and even Beast Wars films being live action makes no sense from an economic standpoint and Akiva has written some fairly competent films like Batman Forever and Cinderella Man.

Of course we can't have films on Cybertron or in the Beast Era. We can't shill hyper-expensive concept cars in the former or have blisteringly obnoxious human stars in the latter.

I'm sure some cavemen or cavewomen could still be blisteringly obnoxious.

True. There were those kids from "Go with the Flow", which in my opinion was the worst episode of Beast Wars.

[Nemesis Maximo]

Films on Cybertron and even Beast Wars films being live action makes no sense from an economic standpoint and Akiva has written some fairly competent films like Batman Forever and Cinderella Man.

Of course we can't have films on Cybertron or in the Beast Era. We can't shill hyper-expensive concept cars in the former or have blisteringly obnoxious human stars in the latter.

You think you are witty but you just aren't.

I thought it was witty.

[Sabrblade]

Films on Cybertron and even Beast Wars films being live action makes no sense from an economic standpoint and Akiva has written some fairly competent films like Batman Forever and Cinderella Man.

Of course we can't have films on Cybertron or in the Beast Era. We can't shill hyper-expensive concept cars in the former or have blisteringly obnoxious human stars in the latter.

I'm sure some cavemen or cavewomen could still be blisteringly obnoxious.

True. There were those kids from "Go with the Flow", which in my opinion was the worst episode of Beast Wars.

And to use an example outside of Transformers, there's Fred Flintstone.

[EvasionModeBumblebee]

Personally I'd like to see a film set between DOTM and AOE, that tells the story of the 'bots being hunted by cemetary wind

Then again, Ratchet's death kinda shook me up, I still would of liked to see if some of the bots survived, definitely would've loved to of seen them fight back xD

[Desslok2201]

I know they want to milk this cow as fast and as much as possible, but I really wish they would take a step back, let the dust settle and do a proper reboot, as far away from the Bay influence as possible.Then come up with a coherent plot, which was missing from the last 3, minimize the human factor, and design robots that don't look like a soup can in a blender. Keeping it under 2 hrs would be decent as well. AOE felt like it just wasn't ever going to end.

[CrankyOldTruck]

They are going to screw this up in the same way that Disney is going to screw up the Star Wars franchise with their complete exclusion of anything from the Expanded Universe ever seeing the big screen.
A good deal of the most epic of Transformer tales simply cannot be told with the way that the Movie Universe has so completely distorted what was previously established in TF history. Well, they could in some horribly screwed up manner but the die-hard fans will riot and only the complete and utter simpletons will pay money to see the Bay/Spielberg versions and then those same simpletons will come out of the theater going "I don't get it, but did you see the size of those explosions??? That sh** was sooo cool!!"

These are the same idiots that think the Star Wars Universe only consists of the 6 movies and a handful of video games. It just sucks that Hollywood actually promotes and encourages such complete and utter ignorance but hey, if they want to take money from the suckers and the unenlightened, fine. I'm not going to watch those POS films.

[BlueBefore]

I know they want to milk this cow and fast and as much as possible, but I really wish they would take a step back, let the dust settle and do a proper reboot, as far away from the Bay influence as possible, come up with a coherent plot, which was missing from the last 3, minimize the human factor, and design robots that don't look like a soup can in a blender. Keeping it under 2 hrs would be decent as well. AOE felt like it just wasn't ever going to end.

I personally think the next film should be at least 9 hours and 30 minutes long. That'd make it 10 minutes longer than the Lord of the Rings and it should focus on Cade Yeager and his daily life around the farm. That's an Oscar worthy film if you ask me.

[Desslok2201]

I know they want to milk this cow and fast and as much as possible, but I really wish they would take a step back, let the dust settle and do a proper reboot, as far away from the Bay influence as possible, come up with a coherent plot, which was missing from the last 3, minimize the human factor, and design robots that don't look like a soup can in a blender. Keeping it under 2 hrs would be decent as well. AOE felt like it just wasn't ever going to end.

I personally think the next film should be at least 9 hours and 30 minutes long. That'd make it 10 minutes longer than the Lord of the Rings and it should focus on Cade Yeager and his daily life around the farm. That's an Oscar worthy film if you ask me.

Now that's more like it!

[Desslok2201]

They are going to screw this up in the same way that Disney is going to screw up the Star Wars franchise with their complete exclusion of anything from the Expanded Universe ever seeing the big screen.
A good deal of the most epic of Transformer tales simply cannot be told with the way that the Movie Universe has so completely distorted what was previously established in TF history. Well, they could in some horribly screwed up manner but the die-hard fans will riot and only the complete and utter simpletons will pay money to see the Bay/Spielberg versions and then those same simpletons will come out of the theater going "I don't get it, but did you see the size of those explosions??? That sh** was sooo cool!!"

These are the same idiots that think the Star Wars Universe only consists of the 6 movies and a handful of video games. It just sucks that Hollywood actually promotes and encourages such complete and utter ignorance but hey, if they want to take money from the suckers and the unenlightened, fine. I'm not going to watch those POS films.

You're forgetting that most good TF stories did not include Victoria's Secret models, racist robots and almost invasive upskirt camera shots. And BOOOOOOM!

[King Kuuga]

Speaking as someone who more or less enjoyed the first four movies, I give this idea......

a HELL NO!

Unless they change up the talent involved.

Here's an idea: have Andy Serkis and a bunch of other actors mocap for the Transformers. That way you can focus on them as characters without spending your days filming empty cityscapes with explosions coming from nowhere because the CG robots causing it all will be filled in later. Then the human characters can be relegated to the sidekick roles they deserve and the story can refocus on the Transformers themselves. Get some good writing talent in there and redesign the bots so that they can make good toys and you might have something on your hands.

[BlueBefore]

They are going to screw this up in the same way that Disney is going to screw up the Star Wars franchise with their complete exclusion of anything from the Expanded Universe ever seeing the big screen.
A good deal of the most epic of Transformer tales simply cannot be told with the way that the Movie Universe has so completely distorted what was previously established in TF history. Well, they could in some horribly screwed up manner but the die-hard fans will riot and only the complete and utter simpletons will pay money to see the Bay/Spielberg versions and then those same simpletons will come out of the theater going "I don't get it, but did you see the size of those explosions??? That sh** was sooo cool!!"

These are the same idiots that think the Star Wars Universe only consists of the 6 movies and a handful of video games. It just sucks that Hollywood actually promotes and encourages such complete and utter ignorance but hey, if they want to take money from the suckers and the unenlightened, fine. I'm not going to watch those POS films.

The EU not being in the new Star Wars film is a good thing. People don't want to go through years of research before they watch a movie they just want to watch a movie. Not only that the content in the EU not very good some of it below fanfiction level writing. There aren't even that many people who know about the EUs existence. I only found out about this this year when a very small group of people complained about it not being in the films and it's not dumb or ignorant not to care about the Expanded Universe people have lives outside of fiction.

[Autobot Megatron]

Spin-offs? From THIS continuity? Is there even a continuity here? What would the movies even be about? So far they've spent more time focusing on horny teenagers than the Transformers. It'd almost make more sense to give THEM their own spin-off movies, since the bots have been relegated to secondary character status! RUINED FOREVER! AGAIN! lol

I'm just saying, by spin-offs they probably mean this. Have the main Transformers movies with the Transformers, then spin-off with the humans. I could see a Lennox-centric movie, for example.

[Shuttershock]

Speaking as someone who more or less enjoyed the first four movies, I give this idea......

a HELL NO!

Unless they change up the talent involved.

Here's an idea: have Andy Serkis and a bunch of other actors mocap for the Transformers. That way you can focus on them as characters without spending your days filming empty cityscapes with explosions coming from nowhere because the CG robots causing it all will be filled in later. Then the human characters can be relegated to the sidekick roles they deserve and the story can refocus on the Transformers themselves. Get some good writing talent in there and redesign the bots so that they can make good toys and you might have something on your hands.

I'd be all on board for that idea.

Or at the very least get rid of those damn fireworks explosions that look ridiculous.

[kaijuguy19]

They... They already have a cinematic universe, and which only works thanks to John Barber making everything that needs to fit together, well, fit together (since the movies themselves and alone couldn't bother to do that).

That is, until Age of Extinction came along to muck everything up again with its even bigger middle finger to continuity.

How does AOE messed up the continuity that was fixed by Barber? I mean thinking about it there's nothing to me that messed it up more. For example in Transformers Foundation Sentinel found Optimus lost in the desert with no recollection of what happened to him right? Who's to say that Optimus somehow wound up on Cybertron after leaving the Creator's grasps and lost his memories? That sounds in line of what the continuity set up so far.

[Sabrblade]

They... They already have a cinematic universe, and which only works thanks to John Barber making everything that needs to fit together, well, fit together (since the movies themselves and alone couldn't bother to do that).

That is, until Age of Extinction came along to muck everything up again with its even bigger middle finger to continuity.

How does AOE messed up the continuity that was fixed by Barber? I mean thinking about it there's nothing to me that messed it up more. For example in Transformers Foundation Sentinel found Optimus lost in the desert with no recollection of what happened to him right? Who's to say that Optimus somehow wound up on Cybertron after leaving the Creator's grasps and lost his memories? That sounds in line of what the continuity set up so far.

I'm not saying the continuity can't be mended, but as it is, the movie raised a lot of questions. Like, what, if any, relation the Creators have to the AllSpark, which was previously given to the be the sole progenitor of the TF race. Or what, if any, relation the Knights have to the Primes, and if the Knights possibly predate the Primes, then how Optimus (who was one of the Knights) could possibly be the last descendant of the Prime dynasty if he existed before those who are said to be his ancestors did.

[kaijuguy19]

They... They already have a cinematic universe, and which only works thanks to John Barber making everything that needs to fit together, well, fit together (since the movies themselves and alone couldn't bother to do that).

That is, until Age of Extinction came along to muck everything up again with its even bigger middle finger to continuity.

How does AOE messed up the continuity that was fixed by Barber? I mean thinking about it there's nothing to me that messed it up more. For example in Transformers Foundation Sentinel found Optimus lost in the desert with no recollection of what happened to him right? Who's to say that Optimus somehow wound up on Cybertron after leaving the Creator's grasps and lost his memories? That sounds in line of what the continuity set up so far.

I'm not saying the continuity can't be mended, but as it is, the movie raised a lot of questions. Like, what, if any, relation the Creators have to the AllSpark, which was previously given to the be the sole progenitor of the TF race. Or what, if any, relation the Knights have to the Primes, and if the Knights possibly predate the Primes, then how Optimus (who was one of the Knights) could possibly be the last descendant of the Prime dynasty if he existed before those who are said to be his ancestors did.

The Allspark was likely made by the Creators as a new way to either make life or as an energy source but was lost from them and drifted off into space until it stopped to create Cybertron and the Transformers and as for the Knight's relation to the Primes well who's to say that the Knights themselves were a part of a legend that probably say that the Primes were either made or inspired by the Knights of Cybertron to help Cybertron further which helps explain how Sentinel and Optimus share the same helmet design, and as for Optimus perhaps he's likely one of the newly made Knights the creators made that had him carry the same descendent genes have elements that the Primes past him got thus making him still be the last descendent of the Primes but in a different manner. I could be all wrong in the end but if I'm right in that we'll see how Optimus fits into this in the 5th and 6th installments then we'll see if it'll make sense or not.

[Sabrblade]

The Allspark was likely made by the Creators as a new way to either make life or as an energy source but was lost from them and drifted off into space until it stopped to create Cybertron and the Transformers and as for the Knight's relation to the Primes well who's to say that the Knights themselves were a part of a legend that probably say that the Primes were either made or inspired by the Knights of Cybertron to help Cybertron further which helps explain how Sentinel and Optimus share the same helmet design, and as for Optimus perhaps he's likely one of the newly made Knights the creators made that had him carry the same descendent genes have elements that the Primes past him got thus making him still be the last descendent of the Primes but in a different manner. I could be all wrong in the end but if I'm right in that we'll see how Optimus fits into this in the 5th and 6th installments then we'll see if it'll make sense or not.

See, that's all fine and well, but it's us fans who have to come up with all these answers to fill in these holes since there's no official media to do that job for us. We shouldn't have to do the job that the fiction is supposed to do, as that's a sign of inadequate writing.

[Shuttershock]

They... They already have a cinematic universe, and which only works thanks to John Barber making everything that needs to fit together, well, fit together (since the movies themselves and alone couldn't bother to do that).

That is, until Age of Extinction came along to muck everything up again with its even bigger middle finger to continuity.

How does AOE messed up the continuity that was fixed by Barber? I mean thinking about it there's nothing to me that messed it up more. For example in Transformers Foundation Sentinel found Optimus lost in the desert with no recollection of what happened to him right? Who's to say that Optimus somehow wound up on Cybertron after leaving the Creator's grasps and lost his memories? That sounds in line of what the continuity set up so far.

I'm not saying the continuity can't be mended, but as it is, the movie raised a lot of questions. Like, what, if any, relation the Creators have to the AllSpark, which was previously given to the be the sole progenitor of the TF race. Or what, if any, relation the Knights have to the Primes, and if the Knights possibly predate the Primes, then how Optimus (who was one of the Knights) could possibly be the last descendant of the Prime dynasty if he existed before those who are said to be his ancestors did.

I'm guessing they could wrangle the notion that the Allspark Cube, which was of offworld origin, was a construct of the Creators. Ergo, Cybertronians were "built" in an abstract sense by the Creators through their artifacts, being allowed to mature until they could be useful for their purposes. That would actually be interesting if they were not the only race of robots birthed in such a manner.

Of course most of this is moot because we're not leaving Earth in the movies (aka. the main medium of the story) because of the aforementioned restraining need for branding and marketing to pay for these overlong expensive messes. Simply put, the demands of a mainstream blockbuster film (at least in the format they're being made) are limiting the ability for anything introspective or thought-provoking to happen in live action Transformers films.

[Shuttershock]

The Allspark was likely made by the Creators as a new way to either make life or as an energy source but was lost from them and drifted off into space until it stopped to create Cybertron and the Transformers and as for the Knight's relation to the Primes well who's to say that the Knights themselves were a part of a legend that probably say that the Primes were either made or inspired by the Knights of Cybertron to help Cybertron further which helps explain how Sentinel and Optimus share the same helmet design, and as for Optimus perhaps he's likely one of the newly made Knights the creators made that had him carry the same descendent genes have elements that the Primes past him got thus making him still be the last descendent of the Primes but in a different manner. I could be all wrong in the end but if I'm right in that we'll see how Optimus fits into this in the 5th and 6th installments then we'll see if it'll make sense or not.

See, that's all fine and well, but it's us fans who have to come up with all these answers to fill in these holes since there's no official media to do that job for us. We shouldn't have to do the job that the fiction is supposed to do, as that's a sign of inadequate writing.

Exactly! And this is the frustrating thing about being told that the answer to glaring plot holes and unanswered questions are found in works like comics or games. The movies are the main medium through which most will see the story, and an embarrassing amount of cash is being sunk into them. The writing quality should not be so low that it needs supplemental materials to patch up the holes. At that point, we're just reading Data Logs from Final Fantasy XIII.

[Sabrblade]

Exactly! And this is the frustrating thing about being told that the answer to glaring plot holes and unanswered questions are found in works like comics or games. The movies are the main medium through which most will see the story, and an embarrassing amount of cash is being sunk into them. The writing quality should not be so low that it needs supplemental materials to patch up the holes. At that point, we're just reading Data Logs from Final Fantasy XIII.

I've come to terms with the comics being an acceptable venue for such answers since they seem to be the main medium of the Movieverse that actually cares about continuity, what with the films being to too busy selling out to the lowest common denominator to bother with it.

It's why when I hear things like the phrase "the sequel to the first movie" I think more of The Reign of Starscream than ROTF, since that's definitely what The Reign of Starscream is and much moreso than ROTF was (which it wasn't trying to be anyway, so there's no need to pretend that it was).

[King Kuuga]

See, that's all fine and well, but it's us fans who have to come up with all these answers to fill in these holes since there's no official media to do that job for us. We shouldn't have to do the job that the fiction is supposed to do, as that's a sign of inadequate writing.

But that's the thing: the Transformers films are NOTORIOUSLY badly written. The second movie was just made up as they went along because it was filmed in the middle of the writers' strike. Ehren Kruger does not seem to care one iota about continuity between the films, certainly not between the films he wrote (DOTM and AOE) and the ones written by Orci and Kurtzman. So complaining that the writing is bad is a bit like complaining that it's gray in London. If they want any credibility they need to overhaul the live action films with all-new staff.

[Shuttershock]

Exactly! And this is the frustrating thing about being told that the answer to glaring plot holes and unanswered questions are found in works like comics or games. The movies are the main medium through which most will see the story, and an embarrassing amount of cash is being sunk into them. The writing quality should not be so low that it needs supplemental materials to patch up the holes. At that point, we're just reading Data Logs from Final Fantasy XIII.

I've come to terms with the comics being an acceptable venue for such answers since they seem to be the main medium of the Movieverse that actually cares about continuity, what with the films being to too busy selling out to the lowest common denominator to bother with it.

It's why when I hear things like the phrase "the sequel to the first movie" I think more of The Reign of Starscream than ROTF, since that's definitely what The Reign of Starscream is and much moreso than ROTF was (which it wasn't trying to be anyway, so there's no need to pretend that it was).

You're right. And RoS was a very good story for the series that was set almost entirely off-world.

At the end, I do want to be able to see and enjoy Transformers movies, but not like this.