BeastProwl wrote:All I'm saying is, Being seen in car mode in the back of a rolling into base scene doesn't exactly count as being in the film. They were in it, but any scene involving them in robot mode was cut.
BeastProwl wrote:As far as steriotyping goes, I guess we can kiss the wreckers AND Dino goodbye! Steriotypes we'll never see again! Someone will get offended! They always are!
A Beer gutted irish nascar? hell, one of them's even green! Oh, what's that? A mullet?
A Firrari with an Italian Accent?
(Clearely Offensive and therefore dangerous to viewers)
Ironhide and que both died, Ironhide from a canister of cosmic rust, and poor que's death made me cry, but the one thing that I took away from that movie was how pollitical correctness screwed the pooch once again in my honest to god opinion. say what you like about the twins, poor ironhide, and que. RIP to all of them.
Autobot032 wrote:BeastProwl wrote:All I'm saying is, Being seen in car mode in the back of a rolling into base scene doesn't exactly count as being in the film. They were in it, but any scene involving them in robot mode was cut.
But it does, because the editing in the film is sloppy when it comes to scenes involving them. We know for a fact that a scene was filmed for them involving a smart car being destroyed. You can see a piece or pieces of them during the traitor rampage. The pieces part further supports that they were in it, even if their robot mode scenes were cut. The vehicle mode scene certainly does count. I agree, they deserved better.BeastProwl wrote:As far as steriotyping goes, I guess we can kiss the wreckers AND Dino goodbye! Steriotypes we'll never see again! Someone will get offended! They always are!
A Beer gutted irish nascar? hell, one of them's even green! Oh, what's that? A mullet?
A Firrari with an Italian Accent?
(Clearely Offensive and therefore dangerous to viewers)
Ironhide and que both died, Ironhide from a canister of cosmic rust, and poor que's death made me cry, but the one thing that I took away from that movie was how pollitical correctness screwed the pooch once again in my honest to god opinion. say what you like about the twins, poor ironhide, and que. RIP to all of them.
The Wreckers won't be looked down upon because they're based on WASP people. (White Anglo-Saxons) If anything, people will applaud the filmmakers for having them in.
Dino, is out of their hands. His name and accent were mandated by Ferrari, according to news about the character and the deal to allow a Ferrari to be used. Blame the Italians on this one. To be honest though, I fail to see how it put them in a bad light. Dino was a competent soldier, he was well spoken and intelligent. Nothing offensive about him.
Political correctness? In these films? No. Sly made a good point about the Dreads in another thread, and he's onto something. I went to see the film a second time, and during the Mexican Standoff scene, some members of the audience murmured "Whoa, dude's an alien Jamaican!" and other references towards Jamaicans. I got it right away, the first time I saw the film, but I didn't feel it was blatant. After Sly's thread and seeing it a second time, I see it plain as day.
Political Correctness and Bayverse? No. Sorry.
Autobot032 wrote:BeastProwl wrote:All I'm saying is, Being seen in car mode in the back of a rolling into base scene doesn't exactly count as being in the film. They were in it, but any scene involving them in robot mode was cut.
But it does, because the editing in the film is sloppy when it comes to scenes involving them. We know for a fact that a scene was filmed for them involving a smart car being destroyed. You can see a piece or pieces of them during the traitor rampage. The pieces part further supports that they were in it, even if their robot mode scenes were cut. The vehicle mode scene certainly does count. I agree, they deserved better.
RhA wrote:Autobot032 wrote:BeastProwl wrote:All I'm saying is, Being seen in car mode in the back of a rolling into base scene doesn't exactly count as being in the film. They were in it, but any scene involving them in robot mode was cut.
But it does, because the editing in the film is sloppy when it comes to scenes involving them. We know for a fact that a scene was filmed for them involving a smart car being destroyed. You can see a piece or pieces of them during the traitor rampage. The pieces part further supports that they were in it, even if their robot mode scenes were cut. The vehicle mode scene certainly does count. I agree, they deserved better.
So I wasn't crazy for thinking that was a piece of Skids.
Thanks.
Autobot032 wrote:RhA wrote:Autobot032 wrote:BeastProwl wrote:All I'm saying is, Being seen in car mode in the back of a rolling into base scene doesn't exactly count as being in the film. They were in it, but any scene involving them in robot mode was cut.
But it does, because the editing in the film is sloppy when it comes to scenes involving them. We know for a fact that a scene was filmed for them involving a smart car being destroyed. You can see a piece or pieces of them during the traitor rampage. The pieces part further supports that they were in it, even if their robot mode scenes were cut. The vehicle mode scene certainly does count. I agree, they deserved better.
So I wasn't crazy for thinking that was a piece of Skids.
Thanks.
And if I remember correctly, someone even screams out their names just before the fiery debris flies out of the garage entrance when Mearing's team is approaching.
Bonecrusher27 wrote:Not being American or in America, some references escape me so I hope you can enlighten me.
I don't really understand some of these accusations of political correctness/ incorrectness when there are traits seen in shows of these sort.
Some examples:
1. Skids and Mudflap - the furore due to the gold tooth, the language "e.g. capping yo ass") etc brings up slave past? Would Megatron's/ Starscream's "Come here, boy" also evoke this?
2. Wreckers and Rednecks - I know nothing much about Rednecks beyond the racist stereotypes. But it started confusing me when some toy reviewers mentioned the connection, especially the mullets. Are mullets associated with rednecks exclusively? Because I know of friends who are coloured be they black or Asian, who also wear that style.
3. The Dreads - I thought it was obvious that they were given a Jamaican feel. Does that make it a racist slur? To me I thought they were super cool, especially on the highway...reminded me of some clips of really good Jamaican Parkour practioners I've seen in action: somersaulting, vaulting, handspringing etc with dreads blowing in the air.
When you watch a movie, you'll see good guys, you'll see bad guys. If a bad guy is black, is that racism? And hence translated to the Transformers setting, where certain robots take on certain traits, it becomes a direct attack?
For example, in the Star Wars prequels, the Nemoidians were given Asian accents. Being Asian myself, while I may not have liked the decision, it was a long way towards feeling the film makers were deliberately casting racial slurs. After all why would they think to alienate at least half the paying movie going world?
Even more ridiculous to me have been claims like
- Jet Li as a villain in Lethal Weapon 4 = racist against Chinese
- Cyril Raffaeli in Die Hard 4 = racist against French
Perhaps someone can explain more because it confuses me when these discussions come up. Some seem like total non sequuntur to me.
Twitchythe3rd wrote:Jamacian wasn't the first thought when I saw the Dreads. Mine was "holy ****, it's a robot Predator."
BeastProwl wrote:As for the Wreackers, they wernt rednecks, they were Irish, actually. Sure Irish nascars can be connected racially with drinking and all that, but no one will call that, because it's not a purposely made connection. even if it is, so what? I HATE living in a world were your favorite things can be ruined by political correctness.
Twitchythe3rd wrote:Jamacian wasn't the first thought when I saw the Dreads. Mine was "holy ****, it's a robot Predator."
BeastProwl wrote:as for those weird movements they made on the freeway, that was because it was recycled footage from the movie "The Island", and if you don't beleive me, here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7kcqB3thJM
Bonecrusher27 wrote:BeastProwl wrote:as for those weird movements they made on the freeway, that was because it was recycled footage from the movie "The Island", and if you don't beleive me, here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7kcqB3thJM
Holy SH-T!
Autobot032 wrote:Bonecrusher27 wrote:BeastProwl wrote:as for those weird movements they made on the freeway, that was because it was recycled footage from the movie "The Island", and if you don't beleive me, here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7kcqB3thJM
Holy SH-T!
But in all fairness to Bay, plenty of directors and producers use recycled footage. It cuts costs, it's usually overlooked by the audience, and in the grand scheme of things, it don't mean jack.
It's a smart fiscal move.
Autobot032 wrote: The Wreckers won't be looked down upon because they're based on WASP people. (White Anglo-Saxons) If anything, people will applaud the filmmakers for having them in.
Autobot032 wrote:Political correctness? In these films? No. Sly made a good point about the Dreads in another thread, and he's onto something. I went to see the film a second time, and during the Mexican Standoff scene, some members of the audience murmured "Whoa, dude's an alien Jamaican!" and other references towards Jamaicans. I got it right away, the first time I saw the film, but I didn't feel it was blatant. After Sly's thread and seeing it a second time, I see it plain as day.
Political Correctness and Bayverse? No. Sorry.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
Bonecrusher27 wrote:
3. The Dreads - I thought it was obvious that they were given a Jamaican feel. Does that make it a racist slur? To me I thought they were super cool, especially on the highway...reminded me of some clips of really good Jamaican Parkour practioners I've seen in action: somersaulting, vaulting, handspringing etc with dreads blowing in the air.
Prime Riblet wrote:I personally found nothing disrespectful in the second movie as far as the twins go. I won't say the assertions were ridiculous, but I think people read WAY TOO MUCH into that situation. Just like people are with this movie. Jamaican? Wow. Just wow.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
BeastProwl wrote:But why remove them?
5150 Cruiser wrote:Autobot032 wrote: The Wreckers won't be looked down upon because they're based on WASP people. (White Anglo-Saxons) If anything, people will applaud the filmmakers for having them in.
First of, i loved the Wreckers. Probabaly my favorite characters in DOTM. I felt there accents were fitting, but am I the only one who thinks they were given the scotish accents so people in no way shape or form could claim they were stereotypical nascar fans?
5150 Cruiser wrote:Autobot032 wrote:Political correctness? In these films? No. Sly made a good point about the Dreads in another thread, and he's onto something. I went to see the film a second time, and during the Mexican Standoff scene, some members of the audience murmured "Whoa, dude's an alien Jamaican!" and other references towards Jamaicans. I got it right away, the first time I saw the film, but I didn't feel it was blatant. After Sly's thread and seeing it a second time, I see it plain as day.
Political Correctness and Bayverse? No. Sorry.
1.- I remember when Sly made the initial coment of waiting for someone to make a racial conection with the dreads because they were black and ran fast. I think it was more a joke than anyhing (BUt with him, you can never be to sure )
2.- Had he, or the audience memeber made that coment, would you have ever made that conection yourself? And to be fair, i don't see anything derogatory about them anyhow. If anyhing, running faster than Camaro SS and Corvette Stingray is an honor!
But one thing i can't agree with is Bay being politicly correct. For me, having the twins removed from the movie was a perfect example of this. Wether or not you like/dislike the twins or agree with their behavior, bay and Co. recieved alot of flack. Story wise, it would have made much more sence to include them in some shape or form, but instead, because of a select few, they felt it would just be eaiser to cut them out intirely.
Autobot032 wrote:5150 Cruiser wrote:Autobot032 wrote: The Wreckers won't be looked down upon because they're based on WASP people. (White Anglo-Saxons) If anything, people will applaud the filmmakers for having them in.
First of, i loved the Wreckers. Probabaly my favorite characters in DOTM. I felt there accents were fitting, but am I the only one who thinks they were given the scotish accents so people in no way shape or form could claim they were stereotypical nascar fans?
Oh, so did I. And I wonder about the accents too. I mean, everything but the voices were there. It was almost too perfect...5150 Cruiser wrote:Autobot032 wrote:Political correctness? In these films? No. Sly made a good point about the Dreads in another thread, and he's onto something. I went to see the film a second time, and during the Mexican Standoff scene, some members of the audience murmured "Whoa, dude's an alien Jamaican!" and other references towards Jamaicans. I got it right away, the first time I saw the film, but I didn't feel it was blatant. After Sly's thread and seeing it a second time, I see it plain as day.
Political Correctness and Bayverse? No. Sorry.
1.- I remember when Sly made the initial coment of waiting for someone to make a racial conection with the dreads because they were black and ran fast. I think it was more a joke than anyhing (BUt with him, you can never be to sure )
2.- Had he, or the audience memeber made that coment, would you have ever made that conection yourself? And to be fair, i don't see anything derogatory about them anyhow. If anyhing, running faster than Camaro SS and Corvette Stingray is an honor!
But one thing i can't agree with is Bay being politicly correct. For me, having the twins removed from the movie was a perfect example of this. Wether or not you like/dislike the twins or agree with their behavior, bay and Co. recieved alot of flack. Story wise, it would have made much more sence to include them in some shape or form, but instead, because of a select few, they felt it would just be eaiser to cut them out intirely.
1.) Sly? No, you can never be too sure.
2.) Making the connection... Yeah. Sadly. Crankcase reminded me of one of the vampires from the Twilight saga. (You see him in the previews) Red eyes and everything. Hmm...was Bay trying to make one of them instead? Dang it. Now that's gonna rattle around in my head.
3.) Bay? Political Correctness? I dare say nay. Bay laughs in the face of PC. I commend him for it. I'm a little tired of the whole PC thing. The labels allow you to say the worst possible thing in the nicest way. I'd much rather people quit pulling their punches and let it all out.
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