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Agamemnon wrote:

Rated X wrote:<Edited to get this point> I could afford a regular Genesis plus a $60 add on set. That is if they ever make one. Continuities aside, everything is awesome to me except the arms. What you call ruining, I would call enhancing. Just like Headrobots sets.

On this point, have you considered what this might do to the transformation? Not looking to fight, looking to move on and address the mod you propose. The arms are integral parts of the left and right wings and the thrusters in the back. From what you describe, I'm not sure this would look very good in alt mode.

But then I will fully agree that I am biased by the design in the video game.

Just like my FOC Shockwave with Cyclonus legs and no wings, I have pretty much tossed the alt mode out the window. In my honest opinion FOC Omega's spaceship mode looks like his robot mode all folded up rather than a serious looking space ship. Since the Activision artists never envisioned an actual transforming toy being created, they should have went with a more conventional ark style space ship instead of that space station looking jet booster thing they came up with. It worked out real well being that a 3rd party brought the artwork to life in both modes including transformation. But if Hasbro had done it, everyone would have complained about the crappy "fold up the robot" alt mode. (hence re-entry mode ROTF Ravage) Im a G1 fan so Im pretty stuck on the whole reason he has one blaster hand and one claw hand to combine and form a conventional rocket. I understand you favor FOC Omega as a video game fan and want game accuracy. Obviously we cant change the game. But if we could go back in time and stop the activison artists from giving him "monkey arms" would you be opposed to it ? I mean the same FOC Omega transforming into into the same spaceship you seem to like, but with no monkey arms in robot mode...Wouldnt that be cool ???

Rated X wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:

Rated X wrote:<Edited to get this point> I could afford a regular Genesis plus a $60 add on set. That is if they ever make one. Continuities aside, everything is awesome to me except the arms. What you call ruining, I would call enhancing. Just like Headrobots sets.

On this point, have you considered what this might do to the transformation? Not looking to fight, looking to move on and address the mod you propose. The arms are integral parts of the left and right wings and the thrusters in the back. From what you describe, I'm not sure this would look very good in alt mode.

But then I will fully agree that I am biased by the design in the video game.

Just like my FOC Shockwave with Cyclonus legs and no wings, I have pretty much tossed the alt mode out the window. In my honest opinion FOC Omega's spaceship mode looks like his robot mode all folded up rather than a serious looking space ship. Since the Activision artists never envisioned an actual transforming toy being created, they should have went with a more conventional ark style space ship instead of that space station looking jet booster thing they came up with. It worked out real well being that a 3rd party brought the artwork to life in both modes including transformation. But if Hasbro had done it, everyone would have complained about the crappy "fold up the robot" alt mode. (hence re-entry mode ROTF Ravage) Im a G1 fan so Im pretty stuck on the whole reason he has one blaster hand and one claw hand to combine and form a conventional rocket. I understand you favor FOC Omega as a video game fan and want game accuracy. Obviously we cant change the game. But if we could go back in time and stop the activison artists from giving him "monkey arms" would you be opposed to it ? I mean the same FOC Omega transforming into into the same spaceship you seem to like, but with no monkey arms in robot mode...Wouldnt that be cool ???

I actually quite like the video game aesthetics. I always though Omega had a "monkey arms" look, as you put it. I have the G1 encore, and they also look very similar in proportion.

Given how he transforms in the game (and I'm not sure I would agree with your point that the artists didn't think about it) the arms seem to mesh perfectly. Perhaps they could have been slimmer, but I like it the way it is. I had envisioned how the thing transforms. That's why I really like this Genesis. Oh, if only I could win the lottery or something.

The Energon retool also has a pretty enormous forearm, but it seems to not be overly large. And he's a great shout for those who do not want to spend a ton on project Genesis.

I don't think there's much point in tryin g to make Genesis more G1. When you neuter transformation then there's no point ot the thing being a Transformer.

I think it'd be MUCH more viable to try and make YotS OS more G1. At least in robot mode.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I don't think there's much point in tryin g to make Genesis more G1. When you neuter transformation then there's no point ot the thing being a Transformer.

I think it'd be MUCH more viable to try and make YotS OS more G1. At least in robot mode.

Other than the colors, YOTS Omega is not as "G1" as Genesis. Plus he is asymmetrical. On the other hand, Genesis would just need new arms to be close to the G1 cartoon in my opinion. (Legs and Arms normal human length) I think all the people that like the monkey arms look have become quite accustomed to it because for Bulkhead and a few of the Bayformers. But for me, it looks silly.

Rated X wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I don't think there's much point in tryin g to make Genesis more G1. When you neuter transformation then there's no point ot the thing being a Transformer.

I think it'd be MUCH more viable to try and make YotS OS more G1. At least in robot mode.

Other than the colors, YOTS Omega is not as "G1" as Genesis. Plus he is asymmetrical. On the other hand, Genesis would just need new arms to be close to the G1 cartoon in my opinion. (Legs and Arms normal human length) I think all the people that like the monkey arms look have become quite accustomed to it because for Bulkhead and a few of the Bayformers. But for me, it looks silly.

I dunno, those legs on Genesis aren't very cartoon true. At maybe the waist, more accurately. I feel the overall proportions of YotS are truer to what OS looked in the toon.

Maybe he's need some chest armour to sell it more. Since we're imaging rails on the back we may as well further imagine some chest armor.

Although I think YotS is pretty good as he is.

i think most people would rather have genesis for the same price as yots os. when has anyone ever wanted a half- assed (red foot, clear HAND not cannon, etc) repaint and partial retool over a completely new, larger, and more detailed version of the same character?

as for alt mode maybe its a stretch for a spaceship but at least i get the mechanics of a spaceship, can anyone describe to me how a space train works or how practical it would be were any of this a reality?

as far as debating whether its cannon or not because its based off of a video game rendition of omega supreme, thats more cannon than a random repaint/retool isn't it?

i think, and this is not directed at anyone in particular, that many people are simply trying to convince themselves and, in turn, others that genesis is inferior to yots os in some way simply because they dont want to spend the mula on genesis,which is understandable i do that all the time, but I mean yots os is based off of a figure that is from a line filled with clunky, blocky, kid-oriented transformers. the only line of transformers for which i cant even think of a reason to buy a single item from it and i own around 1,500 transformers. i dont need much of a reason!

this is all not meant to offend or be caustic but to support the following statement:

planet x done good and we all know it.

of course the first 3rd party to create a giant fig in the scorponok/overlord/unicron size class will be ridiculed the first person or group of people to do anything is always ridiculed. But they have set a standard here that will be hard to match, again, depending on whether or not there are qc issues yet to be revealed. he was holding a supreme class fig over his head with one hand unsupported for hours though......

Agreed.

Coming from someone who, not 10 mins ago, almost pressed "add to cart" on YOTS OS.

I'm very excited to see the actual final product from Planet X, even if I don't plan on buying it.

to be fair, once its in space a train is no less practical than a space ship.

craggy wrote:to be fair, once its in space a train is no less practical than a space ship.

Lol...um...trains require tracks. I see no thrusters on him anywhere for propulsion. Therefore, unless the cosmos are lousy with railroad tracks, OS is SOL when he's in space.

Galaxy Express 999. I rest my case.

I don't see anybody saying Genesis is not a marvel of a figure. I see people saying it's more expensive than they're willing to spend on a WFC Omega Supreme, and that Hasbro's much cheaper alternative fills in their Classics OS needs well enough.

craggy wrote:to be fair, once its in space a train is no less practical than a space ship.

haha thats true as long as there was propulsion and maneuvering thrusters of some sort you're right. hell if os was equipped with an ftl drive it wouldn't even really need propulsion ala battlestar galactica base stars.

But then why be a train unless omega supreme is a railroading entheusiest when he's not obliterating cons. i suppose if i could transform into something i enjoyed rather than an alt mode just being utilitarian i would.

btw i like trains, i have a sizeable collection of those too. i guess my main point about this sub- topic is that if im gonna pay anything above, i dunno, $50 for a transformer, small or large, third party or not, we're talking collector piece dollar amounts so the alt mode should be less of a kids fantasy type mode and more of a war machine or scale model of a car or something.

all just my opinion. anyone that likes yots os is perfectly justified in so doing of course. If genesis was not an option i very well might jump on board the space train!

I simply felt a sort of compulsion to defend genesis and planet x because they did way more work in creating genesis than did hasbro in lazily retooling and recoloring a pre existing figure, removing electronics, and doubling the price! I think planet x went through alot of work to bring something really special to us fans whereas, as usual, hasbro simply saw a way to use our love of the hobby to get more money out of a mold. A sound financial strategy to be sure but ultimately why they will lose my money, and others money, to a third party.....again.....

That Bot wrote:Galaxy Express 999. I rest my case.

I don't see anybody saying Genesis is not a marvel of a figure. I see people saying it's more expensive than they're willing to spend on a WFC Omega Supreme, and that Hasbro's much cheaper alternative fills in their Classics OS needs well enough.

^ Uh, yuppers!

I like Genesis because of the video game aesthetics. I do not care for the direction the Bayformers have gone. (I'm about ready to sell my set. Somewhere my wife just cheered.) So, I don't think I'm all in for the monkey arms. I mean, really, I've got G1 Omega in my display case fighting Herc and he has wimpy upper arms, and overly long, bulky fore arms. I'd say that there is still that monkey arm aesthetic you describe, Rated X.

And md88prime, there were a lot of great toys in the Energon line (where YOS Omega came from). Downshift was a fantastic homage to Wheeljack that was fun to play with. I liked Starscream and Galvatron. Battle ravage was cool. The Fansproject add-ons made them awesome, but there's the combiner teams of Bruticus and Superion, and a version of Devastator that wasn't completely horrible. Grimlock and Swoop were fun in all their modes, even combined, though it was hard to pose them. Insecticon, Arcee, Rodimus, Shockblast, and the almighty Scorponok. It was a fun line. I even liked the dual combiners like Hotshot, Jetfire, Inferno, and the rest.

I don't even know where to go with the Train Bots. If ever there was a cartoon intended to sell toys, it was the Headmaster series. Suspension of disbelief? Phaw! This is almost worse than the mass shifting from Soundwave and Megatron to the Pretenders.

What were we talking about again? Oh, yes. If Genesis was the price of YOS Omega, I'd be all over it like dark energon on Cliffy.

That Bot wrote:Galaxy Express 999. I rest my case.

I don't see anybody saying Genesis is not a marvel of a figure. I see people saying it's more expensive than they're willing to spend on a WFC Omega Supreme, and that Hasbro's much cheaper alternative fills in their Classics OS needs well enough.

not in so many words no but after a few dozen ape arm, color nitpick, and aesthetic comments they might as well be.

anyway the complaints ive seen on this forum are no more or less than usual, again, i just felt the need to defend planet x

agamemnon, whats good is relative so we're both right which means hasbro wins haha

Agamemnon wrote:
I like Genesis because of the video game aesthetics. I do not care for the direction the Bayformers have gone. (I'm about ready to sell my set. Somewhere my wife just cheered.) So, I don't think I'm all in for the monkey arms. I mean, really, I've got G1 Omega in my display case fighting Herc and he has wimpy upper arms, and overly long, bulky fore arms. I'd say that there is still that monkey arm aesthetic you describe, Rated X.

There seems to be alot of confusion about what people mean when they say the term "G1". Some people use it to describe G1 toy accuracy. Others use it to describe G1 cartoon accuracy. I ALWAYS use it to describe CARTOON accuracy. If I wanted toy accuracy, I would just buy the 80's toys and not worry about a classics upgrade that has more cartoon aesthetics that the original toys lacked. With that being said, Im not seeing any monkey arms here:





Although the G1 toy does have sort of monkey arms, the G1 cartoon and comic book artists must of saw how stupid it looked and said f**k that...

So the FOC designers decided to bring the monkey arms back and make them even BIGGER than the G1 toy's arms. I say that s**t looks ugly as f**k. And even if I was a video game fan, I would still say the same s**t. Just my opinion.

Also, I dont understand why people keep saying Year of the Snake Omega is supposed to be FOC Omega. It is clearly meant to homage G1 Omega. The arms are not red like FOC Omega. And while the claw on YOTS Omega does slightly resemble the FOC claw, everything else on the repaint and the new head screams G1.

I see what you are saying there, X. However, I'm not sure Genesis matches up to the, um, donut eating body shape of the cartoon and comic aesthetics.

mdb88prime, I think if you go back, all of the detriments you are talking about come from Rated X. The rest of us have pretty much praised Genesis, with only complaints about price and the initial colors until they toned them down.

[Edit] oh, and I think the reason some are considering the YoS Energon repaint/remold an homage to the FoC Omega is due to the remarkably game accurate claw remold.

Well, all I know is I'm waiting for the first review, and if it ends up good and I've got the fundage at the time, I'm pulling the trigger on Genesis and he will be mine (and I might not even wait for the review because I keep getting more and more tempted ).

He's going to look great towering over WfC Megatron .

I don't think there's a need to defend a figure because people think it is too large, too expensive or just not an aesthetic match for someone's own view of Omega Supreme. They're not saying it is a horribe figure.

Plus the irony of someone 'defending' a single figure by slagging off an entire Hasbro toyline and any subsequent retools isn't lost on me.

"Plus the irony of someone 'defending' a single figure by slagging off an entire Hasbro toyline and any subsequent retools isn't lost on me."

well when you put it that way....haha but seriously, ironic or not, i would rather have one genesis than the entire energon line...... in concept. in reality if given the choice i would choose to take the entire energon line and then sell it for tfs more to my liking. Love that or hate that but hey to each his own.

as far as rated x being the sole dissenter that may be true on seiberton forums. i kinda meant all comments on the forums that i watch which includes seibertron, tformers, and tfw2005. I really didnt mean to pick on anyone, just voicing my opinion like anyone else

i must say at this point though that the new third party set for yots omega supreme looks pretty cool. if only they could swap out his left hand for a blaster arm and maybe make the "wings" a little smaller i would actually consider getting yots os and the upgrade set

mbd88prime wrote:i must say at this point though that the new third party set for yots omega supreme looks pretty cool. if only they could swap out his left hand for a blaster arm and maybe make the "wings" a little smaller i would actually consider getting yots os and the upgrade set

Eh? Do you have a link? Sounds interesting

Banjo-Tron wrote:

mbd88prime wrote:i must say at this point though that the new third party set for yots omega supreme looks pretty cool. if only they could swap out his left hand for a blaster arm and maybe make the "wings" a little smaller i would actually consider getting yots os and the upgrade set

Eh? Do you have a link? Sounds interesting

Your link sir .

xyl360 wrote:

Banjo-Tron wrote:

mbd88prime wrote:i must say at this point though that the new third party set for yots omega supreme looks pretty cool. if only they could swap out his left hand for a blaster arm and maybe make the "wings" a little smaller i would actually consider getting yots os and the upgrade set

Eh? Do you have a link? Sounds interesting

Your link sir .

Thanks for the link! Not sure about the Scaelextric backpack but could be promising.

c/o Planet Iacon

I just cant get past those huge arms. That blaster looks like a rose bud about to bloom.

A rose bud about to bloom into lasers and mass Decepticide, maybe. If I had a place for it, and money, I'd probably get it exactly as it is. But I don't, and I don't, so I won't.