primematrix1986 wrote:That's something that never made sense to me. Why some fans get so depressed over it...I mean, I am sixteen years old. Again, I liked ROTF. It was entertaining, but it was still a bad movie. Its like the Resident Evil movies, they are entertaining...but lately they have sucked in my opinion. I didn't even really mean for this to turn into an ROTF rant, I was just saying that I think ROTF ruined it for several people.
True words!
I'm a fan of the RE franchise myself, but let's face it; the movies after first 2 were garbage--entertaining garbage, but still garbage, and there's no need to deny it. For some reason,
Just between you and me, I'm "guilty" of being a fan of the much-hated movie, Stealth. The story was mediocre, the cast was "meh", and the acting was bland. I still liked the aerial combat scenes, which is the only thing the movie had going for it. Now Stealth has been universally panned by critics and viewers alike, but you don't see me trying to defend it online or anything. It's bad, but I still found it entertaining--what's there to defend?
One man's meat is another man's poison, to each his own, and all that.
I don't know, I think Sly had the right idea about it. The idiot humor in ROTF really killed it for a lot of people, including me. It was random, unnatural, and just kept distracting you from everything else. It's like the humans in ROTF suddenly have an average IQ or 20 after the first movie.
If you took out all the dog-mating and leg humping, the wrecking balls and diesel farts, and senile old man jokes, especially Leo and Sam's mom, you'd have something along the lines of DOTM. Except DOTM had better characterization (Sentinel is by far the most "fleshed-out" villain in a TF movie so far) and less military ass-kissing.
Still, a major improvement. Then again, even DOTM had Jerry and Brazos, although they were still preferable to Leo and Sam's mom on weed.
SlyTF1 wrote:Optimus, Megatron, Starscream, The Fallen, Mudflap, and Skids all had more screen time by themselves than the entire first movie had TFs. They only talked in about two or three scenes in the first movie. Even Bumblebee's personality was a bit more apparent in ROTF.
I think the underlying problem is that while there were more CGI scenes and a lot more TF's in ROTF, they had to share the screen time between themselves, which isn't enough to fully flesh them out.
In short, there wasn't enough focus on them as individuals. Of the six you mentioned, only Skids and Mudflap had any tangible characterization--they're a pair of Cybertronian kids who discovered hip-hop culture and love it. The other four,
in my opinion (I cannot emphasize this enough), felt hollow. They do what they're supposed to do to move the story forward, but don't feel like they have a life of their own outside of what's happening on screen.
Again, it's all due to the writer's strike, which resulted in a rushed script to make the deadline. Hell, O&K even forgot to add The Fallen into the scenes in the script until halfway! I kid you not; you can find them mentioning it in the commentary.
Ehren Kruger is said to be a fan of TF, and it shows in how he fleshed out the characters in DOTM. Sentinel is a Prime and works for the good of Cybertron, but uses unscrupulous methods to do so. His motives are understandable and relate-able. He feels real. So does Optimus, who now has to fight someone he once looked up to as a hero and a mentor.
And Megatron, once the Lord Protector of Cybertron, and now beholden to an Autobot. That said, his ending should have followed the novel's.
Hell, even Sam felt more "human." Sure, he's still borderline neurotic, but you can empathize with his need to feel important again, and his anguish for having saved the world twice and yet is now relegated to menial office work.
Each of these details bring their respective characters to life.
