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Re: New BotCon 2012 Galleries: Gigatron, Metalhawk, Treadshot, Ultra Magnus, Soundwave and Turbo Tracks

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 2:10 am
by Dead Metal
Mkall wrote:
El Duque wrote:Why the Hell didn't they use RtS Perceptor for SG Soundwave. SUV alt mode, check. Opening chest, check. Shoulder cannon, check.

I think that the Club portrayed SG Soundwave in this form before RTS Perceptor was revieled. Thus they (and we) are kinda stuck with it.

They did, remember back when he got that body Universe 2.0 was still around, RTS came about 3 years later.
Complaining about him being based off of the mold that's iconic for him is kind alike complaining about Classics Thundercracker being based of of Classics Starscream instead of a mold that hadn't existed at the time the character was originally created.

It's no secret that I think FunPub sucks at head moulds, but you gotta admit the Soundwave head is waaay better than the shitty Ironhide head they made for Descent into Evil, but then again G1 Ironhide's head is better than that POS.

Seibertron wrote:I really hope Shattered Glass can be put to bed. I can't get over how many of you got suckered into the most lame and easy repaint excuse storyline ever. Shattered Glass makes the 2003/2004 Universe storyline seem awesome. It was OK for the 2008 BotCon exclusive set. A one time deal. If you don't like it ... that's OK. Move on to the next thing. But to continue to drag it on is just too much. Optimus Prime is not evil. Megatron is not heroic.

Soundwave having a neon/lime green bandanna is about as bad as it should get. Enough's enough. It was fun for a one year thing, but it got really old as soon as BotCon 2008 ended.

Shattered Glass Optimus Prime is evil, and it's been going on for so long due to the fact that it's popular, no other BotCon set has sold out as fast as the original SG set, and that was supposed to be a one off, but the fans wanted more.
Alternate realities are popular and twisted ones are even more popular.
That's just how it works, if companies didn't bring out more product that was popular and only thought of stuff as one offs never to be revisited again, Transformers would have stopped back in 84.

Re: New BotCon 2012 Galleries: Gigatron, Metalhawk, Treadshot, Ultra Magnus, Soundwave and Turbo Tracks

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 3:42 am
by JelZe GoldRabbit
Seibertron wrote:
whacko wrote:Soundwave is embarrassingly bad. I mean he looks like a cheap KO. Happymeal Transformers have had better paint.


Not to mention the bulging eyes. I'm surprised more people aren't bitching about that. I'm really anal about their faces. It's my thing. Soundwave is my favorite character. Music Label Soundwave is pretty awesome. Shattered Glass Soundwave is a very bad implementation and mold choice.


Well, it was a forced choice, as stated before and you all know it:

SG Soundwave in "The Desert Heat" (2009) on TFWiki

Years before RTS was even conceived, let alone Perceptor.

I really hope Shattered Glass can be put to bed. I can't get over how many of you got suckered into the most lame and easy repaint excuse storyline ever. Shattered Glass makes the 2003/2004 Universe storyline seem awesome. It was OK for the 2008 BotCon exclusive set. A one time deal. If you don't like it ... that's OK. Move on to the next thing. But to continue to drag it on is just too much. Optimus Prime is not evil. Megatron is not heroic.


Like it or not, SG is here to stay because it's a major part of the Timelines storyline now, and with the open ending expect it to last another year. Yes, I too am a sucker as you put it for repaints, but if it has a link to an older source or an obscure source and if the story behind the character appeals to me (right now Wreck-Gar and his Junkion are guilty of that. Resistance is futile), well...

Re: New BotCon 2012 Galleries: Gigatron, Metalhawk, Treadshot, Ultra Magnus, Soundwave and Turbo Tracks

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 12:44 pm
by Stormrider
Seibertron wrote:
whacko wrote:Soundwave is embarrassingly bad. I mean he looks like a cheap KO. Happymeal Transformers have had better paint.


Not to mention the bulging eyes. I'm surprised more people aren't bitching about that. I'm really anal about their faces. It's my thing. Soundwave is my favorite character. Music Label Soundwave is pretty awesome. Shattered Glass Soundwave is a very bad implementation and mold choice.

I really hope Shattered Glass can be put to bed. I can't get over how many of you got suckered into the most lame and easy repaint excuse storyline ever. Shattered Glass makes the 2003/2004 Universe storyline seem awesome. It was OK for the 2008 BotCon exclusive set. A one time deal. If you don't like it ... that's OK. Move on to the next thing. But to continue to drag it on is just too much. Optimus Prime is not evil. Megatron is not heroic.

Soundwave having a neon/lime green bandanna is about as bad as it should get. Enough's enough. It was fun for a one year thing, but it got really old as soon as BotCon 2008 ended.


I agree that SG is one of the weakest storylines in the Transformers universe. It is a lazy way to do repaints. An alternate universe with same characters but opposite in personal is so cliched. The only thing missing are the "evil goatees". I too would wish they would get SG.

Re: New BotCon 2012 Galleries: Gigatron, Metalhawk, Treadshot, Ultra Magnus, Soundwave and Turbo Tracks

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 1:31 pm
by Mkall
Stormrider wrote:I agree that SG is one of the weakest storylines in the Transformers universe. It is a lazy way to do repaints. An alternate universe with same characters but opposite in personal is so cliched. The only thing missing are the "evil goatees". I too would wish they would get SG.

They do SO have evil goatees

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But yeah, I'll be happy to not see SG figures again. Maybe an occasional one in their Figure Subscription Service, but that's really it.

Re: New BotCon 2012 Galleries: Gigatron, Metalhawk, Treadshot, Ultra Magnus, Soundwave and Turbo Tracks

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 2:31 pm
by whacko
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
whacko wrote:Soundwave is embarrassingly bad. I mean he looks like a cheap KO. Happymeal Transformers have had better paint.


Not to mention the bulging eyes. I'm surprised more people aren't bitching about that. I'm really anal about their faces. It's my thing. Soundwave is my favorite character. Music Label Soundwave is pretty awesome. Shattered Glass Soundwave is a very bad implementation and mold choice.


Well, it was a forced choice, as stated before and you all know it:

SG Soundwave in "The Desert Heat" (2009) on TFWiki

Years before RTS was even conceived, let alone Perceptor.




That might excuse the choice of mold, but it doesn't excuse the piss-poor head sculpt nor the even worse paint job. I don't even mind that mold but the execution is insulting given the price they charge for these figures.

Re: New BotCon 2012 Galleries: Gigatron, Metalhawk, Treadshot, Ultra Magnus, Soundwave and Turbo Tracks

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 8:04 pm
by Counterpunch
Seibertron wrote:I can't get over how many of you got suckered into the most lame and easy repaint excuse storyline ever.


Yet Shattered Glass has been one of the more popular Botcon themes, even gaining popularity as it aged.

...and other redeco boxsets like the 2007 one caused people to be angry about figures they would not "ever" get or were largely ignored (Wings of Honor) when they introduced new characters.

SG is popular because it bends the existing story. It has context, characters we know, and the ability to blend or not blend into as much of the existing fiction as we like.

I'm not really sure pegging Optimus as only good, or Megatron as only evil has a lot of traction in this particular discussion. Within the context of an SG framework, that is the only logical extension of those characters.

I'd rather have more years of SG than I would another forgettable Wings of Honor. (especially because there's a chance for more Classics redecos now that SG and Classicsverse has collided)

Re: Seibertron.com's new BotCon 2012 Galleries

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:01 am
by El Duque
The Seibertron.com galleries for the BotCon 2012 Shattered Glass Junkions are now live! This popular attendee only set of Insecticon colored versions of Wreck-Gar, Scrap Iron, and Junkheap were the first to sell out this year. The set features all three Junkion head sculpts including the e-Hobby exclusive Scrapheap version. Check out the full high quality galleries by clicking the links or images below.


Wreck-Gar (Deluxe Class, Exclusives)
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Scrap Iron (Deluxe Class, Exclusives)
Convention & Club Exclusives

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Junkheap (Deluxe Class, Exclusives)
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Re: Seibertron.com's new BotCon 2012 Galleries

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:16 am
by Mkall
I gotta say that these three won the year with Kick-Off being a close second. I love these guys.

Re: Seibertron.com's new BotCon 2012 Galleries

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:20 pm
by JelZe GoldRabbit
Mkall wrote:I gotta say that these three won the year with Kick-Off being a close second. I love these guys.


I agree, probably one of the few Troop Builder sets that's worth buying more of. Although I'd end up selling off the extra SG Wreck-Gars for the sake of the collective :P

Re: Seibertron.com's new BotCon 2012 Galleries

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:40 pm
by Hans
I just noticed that Junkheap now has the visor originally intended for him. The mass market release had the visor that belonged to E-hobby exclusive Scrap Heap. It didn't fit too well and made his "eyes" look strange. The fact that they were painted over didn't help, either. Here, it seems his visor (the clear molded piece) has been fixed for the BotCon release.

Re: Seibertron.com's new BotCon 2012 Galleries

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:13 pm
by Chaoslock
Is that Longarm in the group pic? He's the only figure that got my interest this year, will there be a gallery with him?

Re: Seibertron.com's new BotCon 2012 Galleries

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 4:10 pm
by LordBludgeon
I find it very interesting that there are many references to the "Hellraiser" series in Wreck-Gars Bio, even his quote is from Hellraiser! You guys sure that this Wreck-Gar is Shattered Glass and not one of Pin-head's cenobites? Ha, ha.

Re: Seibertron.com's new BotCon 2012 Galleries

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 4:48 pm
by craggy
Hadn't been too interested in the Junkions from the initial pictures. Now I want them! Aside from the ones using the Jazz mold, these are probably the best of this year.

Re: Seibertron.com's new BotCon 2012 Galleries

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 6:51 pm
by Mindmaster
I always find the Shattered Glass universe interesting because it sort of pulls away from the established fiction of the free-loving Optimus Prime as leader of the heroic Autobots and the sadistic Megatron leading the domination-dreaming Decepticons. I also like the fact of either switching the colors of another character, reverses it, or using a pre-Transformer color scheme (ex: SG UM using the colors of the pre-Transformer guy). The Junkions switching colors with the Insecticons was a clever move on FP's part. :APPLAUSE:

Re: Seibertron.com's new BotCon 2012 Galleries

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 7:37 pm
by Seibertron
Chaoslock wrote:Is that Longarm in the group pic? He's the only figure that got my interest this year, will there be a gallery with him?


Longarm's gallery will be posted in the next day or two so that you can all see my sad attempt at painting a Transformer for the first time.

Re: Seibertron.com's new BotCon 2012 Galleries

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 7:38 pm
by Seibertron
Hans wrote:I just noticed that Junkheap now has the visor originally intended for him. The mass market release had the visor that belonged to E-hobby exclusive Scrap Heap. It didn't fit too well and made his "eyes" look strange. The fact that they were painted over didn't help, either. Here, it seems his visor (the clear molded piece) has been fixed for the BotCon release.


Interesting ... I hadn't noticed that. Kind of makes me want a fixed Generations Junkheap now.

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Re: Seibertron.com's new BotCon 2012 Galleries

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:16 pm
by mooncake623
Gigatron's head is nice but HUGE!!! I did a size comparison and his head is bigger then masterpiece Rodimus, Masterpiece Seeker and Masterpiece Grimlock did anyone else realize how big his head is? i think it would look a lot better had they made his head smaller...

Re: Seibertron.com's new BotCon 2012 Galleries

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 12:13 am
by Dead Metal
mooncake623 wrote:Gigatron's head is nice but HUGE!!! I did a size comparison and his head is bigger then masterpiece Rodimus, Masterpiece Seeker and Masterpiece Grimlock did anyone else realize how big his head is? i think it would look a lot better had they made his head smaller...

I guess that's their way of making up for the tiny head on Counterpunch.

Re: Seibertron.com's new BotCon 2012 Galleries

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 2:43 am
by Hans
Seibertron wrote:
Hans wrote:I just noticed that Junkheap now has the visor originally intended for him. The mass market release had the visor that belonged to E-hobby exclusive Scrap Heap. It didn't fit too well and made his "eyes" look strange. The fact that they were painted over didn't help, either. Here, it seems his visor (the clear molded piece) has been fixed for the BotCon release.


Interesting ... I hadn't noticed that. Kind of makes me want a fixed Generations Junkheap now.

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Yup, me too :)
The easiest way to notice, is the handlebars sticking out from behind his head. They are longer and different now :)

Re: Seibertron.com's new BotCon 2012 Galleries

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 7:50 am
by Deathsanras
Not to be Captain Ungrateful or anything, but I thought a few shots of Longarm in Shockwave mode with the replacement gun-arm accessory to complete the homage would have been a given, as well as side-by-side with Alternators Shockblast/Binaltech Laserwave who is the basis for the homage.

Re: Seibertron.com's new BotCon 2012 Galleries

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 9:22 am
by MGrotusque
As awesome as the SG Junkions are. I'm just not into the SG thing very much. The real winners of the 2012 exclusives for me are Spinister and Kick-Off(Over).

Re: Seibertron.com's new BotCon 2012 Galleries

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 10:26 am
by Seibertron
Deathsanras wrote:Not to be Captain Ungrateful or anything, but I thought a few shots of Longarm in Shockwave mode with the replacement gun-arm accessory to complete the homage would have been a given, as well as side-by-side with Alternators Shockblast/Binaltech Laserwave who is the basis for the homage.


You're not being ungrateful. Those are legit questions or concerns.

I accidentally left the cannon in the custom class room when I left and didn't realize it until later that night. Haven't had a chance to contact Raven yet for a replacement. If I'm able to get an extra cannon, I'll be sure to update the pictures accordingly.

I would like to do some comparison pictures of that ... maybe in due time. Just trying to get these galleries posted. While Botcon ended for most people 15 or 16 days ago, I've still been working on BotCon stuff non-stop. I've got about 80 hours or so into these 15 galleries during the past 2 weeks. I just need to get them posted at this point. I really want to put BotCon 2012 to bed ... tired of working on BotCon stuff for the past 4 weeks or so (was working on the BotCon 2010 galleries before BotCon 2012).

I'd also like to do comparisons with the original versions of all of these toys (i.e. G1 Overlord, Metalhawk, e-Hobby Road Rage, "Diaclone" Ultra Magnus, Universe Treadshot, G1 Spinister, G1 Octopunch, and Action Master Kick-Off but I just didn't have time to do all of that).

I need to turn my focus back to current toys such as the Transformers Prime figures so that I can get their galleries posted in the next week or two.

Re: Seibertron.com's new BotCon 2012 Galleries

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 10:53 am
by El Duque
More BotCon 2012 galleries: The Bard of Darkmount and Longarm! The Bard of Darkmount is a Shattered Glass universe repaint of Generations Deluxe Darkmount (aka Straxus) that was given away as this year's attendee only freebie figure. Longarm was this year's highly sought after custom class figure. This Reveal the Shield Special Ops Jazz repaint came with a custom G1 Shockwave head and blaster. Unfortunately Seibertron didn't make it out of the class with the custom blaster, with any luck a replacement can be secured and the gallery will of course be updated. This figure pays homage to a couple of different figures from the past. Transformers Animated Longarm Prime, who was actually Shockwave in disguise, and Alternators Shockblast, who shared a similar vehicle mode.

The Bard of Darkmount (Deluxe Class, Exclusives)
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Longarm (Deluxe Class, Exclusives)
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Re: Seibertron.com's new BotCon 2012 Galleries

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 12:10 pm
by Sabrblade
El Duque wrote:Longarm was this year's highly sought after custom class figure. This Reveal the Shield Special Ops Jazz repaint came with a custom G1 Shockwave head and blaster. Unfortunately Seibertron didn't make it out of the class with the custom blaster, with any luck a replacement can be secured and the gallery will of course be updated.
Perhaps when that happens (if not sooner), maybe some additional comparison pics with Alternators Shockblast could be added as well? ;;)

Re: Seibertron.com's new BotCon 2012 Galleries

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 1:10 pm
by Chaoslock
NOW I want a 3rd party to copy that Shockwave!