This page contains affiliate links. We may earn commissions when readers interact with or purchase items through these links. For more information, see our affiliate disclosures here.

Seibertron Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Welcome to the General Discussion area where just about anything goes! This area is designed to discuss all matters and does not necessarily have to be Transformers related. Please keep topics relevant.

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:15 pm

Motto: "Love it? GET IT!
It's that simple."
Weapon: Vibro-Axe
Shadowman wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:Don't get me wrong, I DO love some bad-ass, ass kicking super heroine. It's just that naturally, and BIOLOGICALLY, it's a man's job and function.


Okay, that's just as blatantly sexist as it is silly. Women can't be superheroes in fiction because they're not as tough as men? Tell you what, you go fight Rhonda Rousey, then you can't talk about who's tough.


Ahem... How about some logic here. Ronda is a figher and an athlete. I'm just a random out of shape shmoe. OF COURSE she'd wipe the floor with me. Where the hell did I say that having a p-nis give you magical super powers? Before using buzzwords, think for a second. If I compare a man and a woman, I compare them on an EVEN level. With similar overal age, health, fitness, and skills. And one thing that is pretty obvious is on the physical level, a man will ALWAYS be the strongest and fastest.

Identity politics can't trump biology. That's why Ronda REFUSE to fight male MMA fighters. That's why the Olympics and any sports events are separated by genders. That's why admiting trans "women" in women sports make for some hillarious situation.

There is also that TV and movie trope calle "waif-fu". A petite 110 pounds woman (who have no super powers) can easely dispatch a mob of 250lbs+ men, that are supposed to be fighters, without breaking a sweat. Sure, one may know kung-fu, but kung fu dosent give you super streight and stamina. It's fun to watch, sure, but it's in the same category as huge fiery explosions and magical bullets that throw people and light things on fire.
Come see my latest creation, a Galvatron Combiner using 4 SS86 Sweeps as limbs HERE!

Image

Also, an update to my old ALL HELICOPER VICTORION!


.
User avatar
-Kanrabat-
God Of Transformers
Posts: 17853
News Credits: 95
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:19 pm
Location: Canada, province of Québec
Watch -Kanrabat- on YouTube
Buy from -Kanrabat- on eBay
Strength: N/A
Intelligence: N/A
Speed: N/A
Endurance: N/A
Rank: Infinity
Courage: N/A
Firepower: N/A
Skill: N/A

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:20 pm

Motto: "Can't do a job halfway. What's worth doing is worth doing well, I say."
Weapon: Saber Blade
SO, how 'bout them Japanese-based heroes in spandex et al, guys?
"When there's gold feathers, punch behind you!!"

Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
User avatar
Sabrblade
God Of Transformers
Posts: 38776
News Credits: 436
Joined: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:22 pm
Location: Tampa, FL
Strength: 7
Intelligence: 10
Speed: 7
Endurance: 8
Rank: 9
Courage: 8
Firepower: 7
Skill: 9

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:36 pm

Motto: "May God have mercy on my enemies, because I sure as hell won't."
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:Don't get me wrong, I DO love some bad-ass, ass kicking super heroine. It's just that naturally, and BIOLOGICALLY, it's a man's job and function.


Okay, that's just as blatantly sexist as it is silly. Women can't be superheroes in fiction because they're not as tough as men? Tell you what, you go fight Rhonda Rousey, then you can't talk about who's tough.


Ahem... How about some logic here. Ronda is a figher and an athlete. I'm just a random out of shape shmoe. OF COURSE she'd wipe the floor with me. Where the hell did I say that having a p-nis give you magical super powers? Before using buzzwords, think for a second. If I compare a man and a woman, I compare them on an EVEN level. With similar overal age, health, fitness, and skills. And one thing that is pretty obvious is on the physical level, a man will ALWAYS be the strongest and fastest.

Identity politics can't trump biology. That's why Ronda REFUSE to fight male MMA fighters. That's why the Olympics and any sports events are separated by genders. That's why admiting trans "women" in women sports make for some hillarious situation.

There is also that TV and movie trope calle "waif-fu". A petite 110 pounds woman (who have no super powers) can easely dispatch a mob of 250lbs+ men, that are supposed to be fighters, without breaking a sweat. Sure, one may know kung-fu, but kung fu dosent give you super streight and stamina. It's fun to watch, sure, but it's in the same category as huge fiery explosions and magical bullets that throw people and light things on fire.


I like that you're trying to use "logic" to claim that women can't be superheroes, as if such a thing is a realm governed by logic. (It's not) And then in the last line, you try to pass it off as the same thing as "huge fiery explosions and magical bullets that throw people and light things on fire." You know, signature elements of the very series we're talking about. You might as well say women being great fighters is about as real as using giant robots to fight giant monsters.

You're just being a sexist idiot so I'm going to start ignoring you now.
Sidekick= Saiya_Maximal
Steam Nickname: Big Chief Devil Hawk Fireball
Image
Shadowman's awesome site for cool people.
Shadowman's awesome comic for cool people.
"Falling is really just flying downward and out of control."
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
User avatar
Shadowman
God Of Transformers
Posts: 14263
News Credits: 2
Joined: Mon Nov 18, 2002 4:54 pm
Location: Look! A distraction!

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:39 pm

Motto: "'till All Are One"
Sabrblade wrote:SO, how 'bout them Japanese-based heroes in spandex et al, guys?

I dont care much about the spandex part, I am more fond of the mecha. Just wondering, you think Saban will be ignoring the cube stuff and go directly to Kyuuranger? Would make sense to me.

And speaking of spandex, here are some nicer images:

Image

Image

Image

Image
If you have any news, rumours, or hot new sightings to report which you feel should be front paged,
please contact us using this form.

Image
User avatar
william-james88
News Staff
Posts: 32589
News Credits: 4498
Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:46 am
Buy from william-james88 on eBay

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:45 pm

Motto: "Can't do a job halfway. What's worth doing is worth doing well, I say."
Weapon: Saber Blade
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:SO, how 'bout them Japanese-based heroes in spandex et al, guys?

I dont care much about the spandex stuff, I am more fond of the mecha. Just wondering, you think Saban will be ignoring the cube stuff and go directly to Kyuuranger? Would make sense to me.
At this point, I've no idea.

People say that they skipped ToQger for how silly its source footage was even for Power Rangers standards, and yet for their Ninja Steel adaptation of Ninninger, they're portraying the main villain as an intergalactic game show host. If silliness was as big an issue (among others) that led them to skip ToQger for Ninninger, then it sure doesn't show if they're just going to make Ninja Steel be silly anyways.
"When there's gold feathers, punch behind you!!"

Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
User avatar
Sabrblade
God Of Transformers
Posts: 38776
News Credits: 436
Joined: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:22 pm
Location: Tampa, FL
Strength: 7
Intelligence: 10
Speed: 7
Endurance: 8
Rank: 9
Courage: 8
Firepower: 7
Skill: 9

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:52 pm

Motto: "May God have mercy on my enemies, because I sure as hell won't."
Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:SO, how 'bout them Japanese-based heroes in spandex et al, guys?

I dont care much about the spandex stuff, I am more fond of the mecha. Just wondering, you think Saban will be ignoring the cube stuff and go directly to Kyuuranger? Would make sense to me.
At this point, I've no idea.

People say that they skipped ToQger for how silly its source footage was even for Power Rangers standards, and yet for their Ninja Steel adaptation of Ninninger, they're portraying the main villain as an intergalactic game show host. If silliness was as big an issue (among others) that led them to skip ToQger for Ninninger, then it sure doesn't show if they're just going to make Ninja Steel be silly anyways.


That's definitely just an excuse, they've never had an issue with "too silly" before, and even if it was, they always found a way around that. Like turning the silly borderline comedy of Go-onger into the very dark and serious Power Rangers RPM.

I like the new suits. I think Gold's helmet is a bit silly looking, but otherwise they look pretty cool. Black is a pretty bulky looking dude, I wonder what he's got going on there.
Sidekick= Saiya_Maximal
Steam Nickname: Big Chief Devil Hawk Fireball
Image
Shadowman's awesome site for cool people.
Shadowman's awesome comic for cool people.
"Falling is really just flying downward and out of control."
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
User avatar
Shadowman
God Of Transformers
Posts: 14263
News Credits: 2
Joined: Mon Nov 18, 2002 4:54 pm
Location: Look! A distraction!

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:56 pm

Motto: "Love it? GET IT!
It's that simple."
Weapon: Vibro-Axe
Shadowman wrote:I like that you're trying to use "logic" to claim that women can't be superheroes, as if such a thing is a realm governed by logic. (It's not) And then in the last line, you try to pass it off as the same thing as "huge fiery explosions and magical bullets that throw people and light things on fire." You know, signature elements of the very series we're talking about. You might as well say women being great fighters is about as real as using giant robots to fight giant monsters.

You're just being a sexist idiot so I'm going to start ignoring you now.


Why are you so desperate to put words in my mouth? Where did I said women "CAN'T" be super heroes? I said they can't be AS MUCH women as men super heroes. At least the physical kind should be the exception, not the rule. Bring on the mentalist/magical Invisible Woman, Raven, or Oracle. Make the She-Hulk and Power-Girl more rare. Kut out the waif-fu like Black Widow or Charlie's Angel. They are ridiculous. Simple enough?

However, super sentai super heroines can waif-fu all they want. They basically come equiped with super phisical abilities, and the whole premise is pretty ridiculous so they fit the universe perfectly. But they STILL need to be a minority in a super sentai team for one simple reason. Power Rangers and Super Sentai are series aimed at boys and boys tend to identify as the male super heroes. Simple demographics, simple economics. It's the same reason that I don't want to see any male as a magical girl...
OH WTF, JAPAN! :lol:
Come see my latest creation, a Galvatron Combiner using 4 SS86 Sweeps as limbs HERE!

Image

Also, an update to my old ALL HELICOPER VICTORION!


.
User avatar
-Kanrabat-
God Of Transformers
Posts: 17853
News Credits: 95
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:19 pm
Location: Canada, province of Québec
Watch -Kanrabat- on YouTube
Buy from -Kanrabat- on eBay
Strength: N/A
Intelligence: N/A
Speed: N/A
Endurance: N/A
Rank: Infinity
Courage: N/A
Firepower: N/A
Skill: N/A

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:10 pm

Motto: "'till All Are One"
Shadowman wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:SO, how 'bout them Japanese-based heroes in spandex et al, guys?

I dont care much about the spandex stuff, I am more fond of the mecha. Just wondering, you think Saban will be ignoring the cube stuff and go directly to Kyuuranger? Would make sense to me.
At this point, I've no idea.

People say that they skipped ToQger for how silly its source footage was even for Power Rangers standards, and yet for their Ninja Steel adaptation of Ninninger, they're portraying the main villain as an intergalactic game show host. If silliness was as big an issue (among others) that led them to skip ToQger for Ninninger, then it sure doesn't show if they're just going to make Ninja Steel be silly anyways.


That's definitely just an excuse, they've never had an issue with "too silly" before, and even if it was, they always found a way around that. Like turning the silly borderline comedy of Go-onger into the very dark and serious Power Rangers RPM.

I like the new suits. I think Gold's helmet is a bit silly looking, but otherwise they look pretty cool. Black is a pretty bulky looking dude, I wonder what he's got going on there.


I find green to be the most silly looking helmet. but the suits are fine all around.

And I am right there with you, I too think those are just excuses. I feel Saban skipped ToQger so that it could get back on track with the released Sentai series and get a more traditional type of toyline out there, especially when trains arent as big a draw in the west (are ninjas cooler?) And Nininjer works well as cross play with the zord builder gimick (as well as being able to cross sell their entire 5 inch line to go in the cockpit), as would this new line in comparison to the cubes which wouldnt really do the whole zord builder thing.

Just wondering, but the goal of the saban show is also to sell toys right? That's what I am assuming here.
If you have any news, rumours, or hot new sightings to report which you feel should be front paged,
please contact us using this form.

Image
User avatar
william-james88
News Staff
Posts: 32589
News Credits: 4498
Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:46 am
Buy from william-james88 on eBay

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby Bradimus » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:48 pm

Motto: "If I have the power to make a difference, I should put it to good use."
Weapon: Twin Swords
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:SO, how 'bout them Japanese-based heroes in spandex et al, guys?

I dont care much about the spandex part, I am more fond of the mecha. Just wondering, you think Saban will be ignoring the cube stuff and go directly to Kyuuranger? Would make sense to me.

And speaking of spandex, here are some nicer images:


Thanks for the clearer images. Looks like their going Scramble City with four extra limb mecha for KyurenOh. I like it. ;)^

I wonder if all 9 can unite into some super combination? I also wonder if they will get another central mecha for primary use with the auxiliary team? Maybe Shishi Red will get a second Voyager (wonder what they'll call them)? Or maybe it will be an autonomous mecha like Liner Boy? :-?

So Kyuranger is spaced themed and Kyukyu Sentai GoGoV had the Mars Machines that could operate in space. Kyuranger also shares a fixed number of rangers from the outset as stated in the name of the team like GoGoV. Also, Denji Sentai Megaranger had the space themed Voyager Machines (Mega Voyager). And Gosei Sentai Dairanger used Chinese mythical animals for their mecha, the Mythical Chi Beast System which united to form Dairen'oh, as well as naming the Dairangers for their mythical chi beasts. :-B

Any other references/homages that we know about so far?

Also, kind of strange to have the 41st Super Sentai series with all of these call-backs unless this is also some sort of anniversary year? It will premier 20 years after Mega Ranger (the 21st Super Sentai series in 1997) so maybe that has something to do with it, with the Dairanger references having to do with the mythical nature of the constellations? :-?
User avatar
Bradimus
Pretender
Posts: 709
News Credits: 3
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:54 pm
Location: Michigan
Watch Bradimus on YouTube
Strength: 6
Intelligence: 7
Speed: 9
Endurance: 8
Rank: 5
Courage: 10+
Firepower: 7
Skill: 8

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:55 pm

Motto: "Can't do a job halfway. What's worth doing is worth doing well, I say."
Weapon: Saber Blade
william-james88 wrote:Just wondering, but the goal of the saban show is also to sell toys right? That's what I am assuming here.
Indeed. Oftentimes, Power Rangers will promote additional toys made by Bandai of America that weren't in the original Sentai versions. Historically, the most famous (or infamous, depending on your view) of these BoA toy promotions was the Battlizer, which formally originated in Power Rangers In Space. Most recently, the Dino Drive form of the Dino Charge Rangers, which they use only within the cockpits of their megazords, is another example of PR-original product placement.
"When there's gold feathers, punch behind you!!"

Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
User avatar
Sabrblade
God Of Transformers
Posts: 38776
News Credits: 436
Joined: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:22 pm
Location: Tampa, FL
Strength: 7
Intelligence: 10
Speed: 7
Endurance: 8
Rank: 9
Courage: 8
Firepower: 7
Skill: 9

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby Bradimus » Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:08 pm

Motto: "If I have the power to make a difference, I should put it to good use."
Weapon: Twin Swords
Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Just wondering, but the goal of the saban show is also to sell toys right? That's what I am assuming here.
Indeed. Oftentimes, Power Rangers will promote additional toys made by Bandai of America that weren't in the original Sentai versions. Historically, the most famous (or infamous, depending on your view) of these BoA toy promotions was the Battlizer, which formally originated in Power Rangers In Space. Most recently, the Dino Drive form of the Dino Charge Rangers, which they use only within the cockpits of their megazords, is another example of PR-original product placement.


It's not just BoA's primary goal, BoJ wants to sell as much stuff as possible too. That's why the gimmicks have taken over the toy lines and consequently the shows, especially the mecha, but also the role play-toys. But that's not to say it's a bad thing as the added features are often very cool. Still, it is nice to see KyurenOh get back to being a more traditional mecha. Though I'm guessing those balls will add some sort of feature to the toys and play a big part in the show similar to the Karakuri Balls in Ninpu Sentai Hurricanger (Power Rangers Ninja Storm).
User avatar
Bradimus
Pretender
Posts: 709
News Credits: 3
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:54 pm
Location: Michigan
Watch Bradimus on YouTube
Strength: 6
Intelligence: 7
Speed: 9
Endurance: 8
Rank: 5
Courage: 10+
Firepower: 7
Skill: 8

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby King Kuuga » Wed Dec 07, 2016 2:38 am

Motto: "Yesssssssss....."
Weapon: High Energy MASER Cannons
-Kanrabat- wrote:It's the same reason that I don't want to see any male as a magical girl...

Image
And that's about the only thing you've said that merits a response.

As far as how Saban chooses what show to adapt, there's a lot of factors to consider. How well can they market and sell toys, what kind of story can the footage lend itself to, how much available footage is there? (That was a big factor against Go-Busters, they had a lot of suitless fighting that Power Rangers wouldn't have been able to use which cut into the amount of suit footage) The toyline for Zyuohger is pretty wide and Bandai of America could surely come up with some new ideas to expand it. Kyuranger's is looking fancy so far as well, and right off the bat there are more available zords and heroes, but let's see how the show turns out before we start trying to predict two years from now. Instead, how about we just focus on Kyuranger and Ninja Steel? I'll start.

I saw some Ninja Steel toys at TRU the other day. Having seen the Ninja Ichibanto myself, the American spinning sword (whatever they're calling it) is actually bigger, which I'm impressed with. The ranger figures look nice. I might pick up white, I loved her design in Ninninger. There were no megazords on the floor that I could take a gander at, but they did have the 2017 Movie morpher out, and it's...... nice, I guess.

The Kyuranger Voyagers. There will definitely be more to come, whether they have ranger partners or not. I predict something similar to Boukenger, where we also knew about the four auxilliary zords from the beginning of the show. They'll be introduced one by one, a combination of all nine components with the main robot will be unlocked, and then they'll get another toy zord that can both form the core of a five-part robot and combine with the rest into a ten-part robot. Also, I'm not ruling out a tenth ranger. The "Kyu" refers to a lot of things, not necessarily (especially not exclusively) the number of team members (tl note: kyu can mean nine). Back in 2003 we got a sentai-esque series with twelve heroes themed after the zodiac signs, and Sentai has been known to go as high as ten before, so anything is possible here. GoGo V in 1999 was the last time since the inception of sixth rangers that there wasn't some form of new ranger or similar hero-type character introduced around the second quarter or third of the series, and that was 18 years ago (egads) when merchandising was quite different. I mean, I will happily eat my words if I'm wrong, but I'm not going to assume anything yet.

If you're curious about my references in the above paragraph, this is ChouSeiShin Gransazer:
Japanese Power Rangers 7.jpg
Japanese Power Rangers 7.jpg (66.45 KiB) Viewed 5097 times

And this, of course, is Kyoryuger/Dino Charge:
10 rangers at last.jpg
Image
User avatar
King Kuuga
Gestalt
Posts: 2943
News Credits: 4
Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:50 pm
Strength: 7
Intelligence: 10
Speed: 7
Endurance: 5
Rank: 5
Courage: 6
Firepower: 9
Skill: 8

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby Bradimus » Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:52 am

Motto: "If I have the power to make a difference, I should put it to good use."
Weapon: Twin Swords
I will be pleasantly surprised (more like shocked) if Kyuranger has more than 9 rangers. The title probably means 9-Ranger (little help here?). I just don't see another human ranger in addition to the nine announced. That's why I think if they do add a character it will be an AI, and since they are already so reference heavy I think it would be cool if that AI turned out to be a special Voyager like Liner Boy in GoGoV.

Admittedly this is all speculation but:

Super Sentai has a tradition with not exceeding the number in the team name starting with Dai Sentai Goggle V and continuing with Chikyuu Sentai Fiveman and KyuKyu Sentai GoGoV (the KyuKyu meaning both rescue and 99 as in 1999).

So that's why I think 9 is it.
Last edited by Bradimus on Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:39 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Bradimus
Pretender
Posts: 709
News Credits: 3
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:54 pm
Location: Michigan
Watch Bradimus on YouTube
Strength: 6
Intelligence: 7
Speed: 9
Endurance: 8
Rank: 5
Courage: 10+
Firepower: 7
Skill: 8

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:34 am

Motto: "'till All Are One"
Sabrblade wrote:Most recently, the Dino Drive form of the Dino Charge Rangers, which they use only within the cockpits of their megazords, is another example of PR-original product placement.

So those were all new costumes made by Saban and not taken from Japan?Wow, I thought they would avoid something costly like that (I guess they thought the toys would pay off).

What I find funny about all this toy advertising, which I dont mind, is how beautifully blatant it is. For fun, I was watching the first episode of Ninninjer and the red Ranger's sword is clearly jus the toy with buttons and all. Its silly but quite fun since kids can literally have the same props found on the show without having to pay for "authentic replica" props :lol:

I have a question about the Ninja Steel line since something si confusing me. I saw the 5 inch figures of the rangers and I am wondering if they are different and how they are different to these:

Image
If you have any news, rumours, or hot new sightings to report which you feel should be front paged,
please contact us using this form.

Image
User avatar
william-james88
News Staff
Posts: 32589
News Credits: 4498
Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:46 am
Buy from william-james88 on eBay

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:45 pm

Motto: "Can't do a job halfway. What's worth doing is worth doing well, I say."
Weapon: Saber Blade
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Most recently, the Dino Drive form of the Dino Charge Rangers, which they use only within the cockpits of their megazords, is another example of PR-original product placement.

So those were all new costumes made by Saban and not taken from Japan?Wow, I thought they would avoid something costly like that (I guess they thought the toys would pay off).
I'm not certain of the real world origin of the Dino Drive forms, but as the Dino Drives are similar in concept to the Mega Modes and Shogun Mode from Samurai and Super Samurai, I could imagine the Dino Drives being a similar case to those, whose origins were that Bandai conceived the Mega Mode and Shogun Mode for the toyline first*, and so when the Samurai show was made, Saban worked the Mega Mode and Shogun Mode concepts into the show in order to promote the toys that Bandai had already come up with.


* -- (as Bandai was originally planning on going ahead with the Samurai toyline even if there wasn't going to be a show to promote it, as at the time, the show's fate was uncertain due to Disney wanting to end the show after both RPM and the 2010 reversion of MMPR, and due to Saban having not yet reacquired the show from Disney at that point.)
"When there's gold feathers, punch behind you!!"

Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
User avatar
Sabrblade
God Of Transformers
Posts: 38776
News Credits: 436
Joined: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:22 pm
Location: Tampa, FL
Strength: 7
Intelligence: 10
Speed: 7
Endurance: 8
Rank: 9
Courage: 8
Firepower: 7
Skill: 9

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:11 pm

Motto: "'till All Are One"
So the idea you propose is that the toys or at least their molds, already existed and thats where the cost effective nature was, as opposed to the suits themselves (since we dont know if they were unused sentai suits or not).
So the cost efectiveness would be more on Bandai's part rather than Saban's? I find the whole Hasbro/takara relations easier to handle because you only have 2 companies there, either sponsoring the show or toyline. With Sentai/Power Rangers you have this 3/4 way partnership with Toei, Bandai Japan, Bandai of America (which seems to be very independent of the Japan counterpart) and Saban. So the idea of cost cutting is not just with one company (ie Hasbro) but a partnership between 2 companies working hand in hand for the TV show as toy commercial marketting (which then again is what Marvel and hasbro did in the 80s for Transformers).


Anyways...

the idea of reusing molds to minimize costs (which is probably what happened with the 5 inch dino drive figures) brings up a big question I have with how expensive molds are. Being a TF collector, you would think molds are the most expensive thing to produce with John Warden having to show how they can be reused excessively just to get a green light on Combiner Wars, or the constant struggle to redoing lost molds.
And then I look at Power Rangers toys and how Bandai of America will make all new molds for every mecha. Sure, bandai as a parent company saves on the cost of design since the designs stay rather similar, but they have to redo all the molds. So one would assume that making molds cant be that high a cost in their business plan if its actually the way they have of saving money.
If you have any news, rumours, or hot new sightings to report which you feel should be front paged,
please contact us using this form.

Image
User avatar
william-james88
News Staff
Posts: 32589
News Credits: 4498
Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:46 am
Buy from william-james88 on eBay

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby Bradimus » Wed Dec 07, 2016 2:31 pm

Motto: "If I have the power to make a difference, I should put it to good use."
Weapon: Twin Swords
I saw the Ninja Star Blade at Walmart and I think BoA did a nice job with it. It has an extending blade to give better length than most role-play toys and it shoots shurikens. I gotta give BoA a thumbs up for this one. ;)^
User avatar
Bradimus
Pretender
Posts: 709
News Credits: 3
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:54 pm
Location: Michigan
Watch Bradimus on YouTube
Strength: 6
Intelligence: 7
Speed: 9
Endurance: 8
Rank: 5
Courage: 10+
Firepower: 7
Skill: 8

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby King Kuuga » Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:29 pm

Motto: "Yesssssssss....."
Weapon: High Energy MASER Cannons
william-james88 wrote:the idea of reusing molds to minimize costs (which is probably what happened with the 5 inch dino drive figures) brings up a big question I have with how expensive molds are. Being a TF collector, you would think molds are the most expensive thing to produce with John Warden having to show how they can be reused excessively just to get a green light on Combiner Wars, or the constant struggle to redoing lost molds.
And then I look at Power Rangers toys and how Bandai of America will make all new molds for every mecha. Sure, bandai as a parent company saves on the cost of design since the designs stay rather similar, but they have to redo all the molds. So one would assume that making molds cant be that high a cost in their business plan if its actually the way they have of saving money.

Transformers, on average, have far more parts and intricacy to facilitate their transforming nature than comparatively sized action figure. Megazords are bigger and a large cornerstone of the toyline, but they also have simpler engineering than similarly-sized Transformers toys, so I'd imagine they're a little cheaper to manufacture, especially if they're manufacturing in bulk and reusing molds like they are (IE the redeco megazords and zords).
Image
User avatar
King Kuuga
Gestalt
Posts: 2943
News Credits: 4
Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:50 pm
Strength: 7
Intelligence: 10
Speed: 7
Endurance: 5
Rank: 5
Courage: 6
Firepower: 9
Skill: 8

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:28 pm

Motto: "Spellcheck's antithesis."
Weapon: Saw-Edged Pincer
ToysRUs.com has Power Rangers on sale for 20% off today. Dino Charge and Ninja Steel Megazords are $27.99, the new movie Interactive Megazord is down to $47.99, Gold Legacy Dragonzord is 63.99, and the Legacy Ninja Megazord is $79.99.

Emerje
User avatar
Emerje
News Staff
Posts: 10166
News Credits: 235
Joined: Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:15 am
Location: Maine
Alt Mode: Lobster Moose
Strength: 9
Intelligence: 7
Speed: 4
Endurance: 8
Rank: 6
Courage: 10
Firepower: 3
Skill: 6

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:16 pm

Motto: "The only good is knowledge, and the only evil is ignorance."
Kyuranger is sizing up to be great, at least the hype's there. Then again, I am biased :lol: I did some looking up and the constellations used are real:

01 Shishi: Leo
02 Sasori: Scorpius
03 Ookami: Lupus
04 Tenbin: Libra
05 Oushi: Taurus
06 Hebitsukai: Ophiuchus
07 Chameleon: Chamaeleon
08 Washi: Aquila
09 Kajiki: Dorado

21 Kani: Cancer
24 Tate: Scutum
26 Ohitsuji: Aries
29 Uo: Pisces

?? Futago: Gemini
?? Bouenkyou: Telescopium

Quite a few I've never even heard of :shock:
The resident Rewind... well, half of one :lol:

- Jelze Bunnycat =:3

Looking for:
- TR Furos (Hardhead's head) and Crashbash (lost him :()
- PotP Punch head
- TR Galvatron right arm (the gun one)
- CW Brake-Neck/UW Wildrider, CW Offroad
- TR Twinferno & Grotusque
- Greenlight, Lancer and PotP Elita-1 (plus repro Victorion hands and feet?)
User avatar
Jelze Bunnycat
God Of Transformers
Posts: 19367
News Credits: 241
Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:45 am
Location: McKinney, Texas, USA; Delft, the Netherlands
Strength: 5
Intelligence: 9
Speed: 8
Endurance: 7
Rank: 1
Courage: 8
Skill: 5

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:37 pm

Motto: "May God have mercy on my enemies, because I sure as hell won't."
So a while ago I decided to take advantage of what Netflix has to offer and watch all the episodes of Power Rangers they have available. Which is all of them. And I'm being real with it, too; Day of the Dumpster all the way through to End of Extinction, in order, and not a single episode skipped. No matter how much of the episode involves Troy, I gotta watch it.

I'm nearly done with Wild Force and so far, honestly, I don't regret it. I was actually shocked at a lot of episodes I had never seen before, and just how much I didn't pick up on as a kid.

I still know I'm going to have to actually watch Megaforce, though...
Sidekick= Saiya_Maximal
Steam Nickname: Big Chief Devil Hawk Fireball
Image
Shadowman's awesome site for cool people.
Shadowman's awesome comic for cool people.
"Falling is really just flying downward and out of control."
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
User avatar
Shadowman
God Of Transformers
Posts: 14263
News Credits: 2
Joined: Mon Nov 18, 2002 4:54 pm
Location: Look! A distraction!

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby King Kuuga » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:04 pm

Motto: "Yesssssssss....."
Weapon: High Energy MASER Cannons
Time to play catch-up with those of you who don't follow Sentai news but want to! Here's several weeks' worth of Kyuranger info compiled into one place.

We got a cast listing! Red, Orange, Green, Silver, and Yellow will be played by human actors while Black, Gold, Pink, and Blue are suit characters like Doggie Kruger or Beet J. Stag.

We have our first teaser for the show:


And we have a suit actor breakdown and notable roles:

Behind-the-scenes stuff on Kyuranger.
*Shishi Red's suit actor was blue in Kyoryu and ToQ, and played Starninger and Zyuoh The World.
http://powerrangers.wikia.com/wiki/Masashi_Takada

*Sasori Orange is played by a veteran actor. He did Mammoth Ranger, G-Stag, and various general and MOTW roles in Sentai and KR through the years. His most recent main hero role was Go-on Black.
http://powerrangers.wikia.com/wiki/Yasuhiko_Imai

*Okami Blue's performer has played various non-red male rangers since the late 80s, but he got to be red once in Goseiger.
http://powerrangers.wikia.com/wiki/Yasuhiro_Takeuchi

*Tenbin Gold did a lot of work as footsoldiers in various early 90s shows, and has graduated to villain work mainly.
http://powerrangers.wikia.com/wiki/Masaru_%C5%8Cbayashi

*Oushi Black is played by OKAMOTO MUTHAF***IN JIRO. That's Kamen Rider Black to you (or Saban's Masked Rider). He's jumped back and forth between Sentai, Rider, and Metal Heroes in his time. When KR ended in the early 90s he played various core Sentai rangers, then played supporting riders in KR, then played several sixth rangers in Sentai. He's also done villains and robos. Basically he's done everything.
http://powerrangers.wikia.com/wiki/Jiro_Okamoto

*On the other end of the spectrum, Hebitsukai Silver has been around about as long as Jiro but hasn't done much of note. He's listed in a few monster roles but mostly just "stunts". He was, notably, the Snake Orphenoch in Faiz, which I bring up only because he's playing a snake again here.
http://powerrangers.wikia.com/wiki/Keizo_Yabe

*Chameleon Green's actress is a relative newcomer with only a couple roles listed: she was the female Kyoryu Violet (hell yeah) and Zyuoh Tiger, plus a couple out-of-suit roles in some KR stuff.
http://powerrangers.wikia.com/wiki/Ayumi_Shimozono

*Washi Pink is another fairly new actress, she first played the female Kyoryu Cyan and then was a main ranger in every series after.
http://powerrangers.wikia.com/wiki/Ryoko_Gomi

*Kajiki Yellow is appearing in his first ranger role, having previously done MOTW work for Sentai as well as Banglay in Zyuohger and Javert's Ganma form in Kamen Rider Ghost.
http://powerrangers.wikia.com/wiki/Shinsuke_Kusano


Personal observation: It looks like Champ does a cast off to transform rather than the armor going on over his robot body. His arms, legs, and abdomen are all the same between forms, but as Oushi Black he has a belt on, while Champ has bulky armor on his chest, shoulders, and head. It's going to be interesting to see how that works out. None of the other mascot characters appear to transform this way. I'm just noticing that Gold has the same suit stylings as Black, although minus the bulk. Yet Balance doesn't have any shared features with his ranger form, not even the undersuit. The other android character, Washi Pink, looks the same as the human rangers when transformed, so evidently it's not a robot thing. I'm curious to see what, if any, reasoning is given for this.



On the Power Rangers side of things, the movie zords are starting to hit shelves and they're uh..... underwhelming might be a good word. The megazord is a partsforming mess that doesn't attach parts well and has... well, typical megazord articulation I guess. It's as tall as Metroplex but arguably less fun.


We've gotten a look at Ninja Steel's cockpit forms, known as Ninja Master Mode. I think they look neat. I'd like to see the sword in more detail, though.

We've also gotten a clip of the first episode of Ninja Steel.

Notably, Shinobimaru appears as an Alpa-like character named Redbot with a new head.
Image
User avatar
King Kuuga
Gestalt
Posts: 2943
News Credits: 4
Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:50 pm
Strength: 7
Intelligence: 10
Speed: 7
Endurance: 5
Rank: 5
Courage: 6
Firepower: 9
Skill: 8

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:10 pm

Motto: "Can't do a job halfway. What's worth doing is worth doing well, I say."
Weapon: Saber Blade
Shadowman wrote:So a while ago I decided to take advantage of what Netflix has to offer and watch all the episodes of Power Rangers they have available. Which is all of them. And I'm being real with it, too; Day of the Dumpster all the way through to End of Extinction, in order, and not a single episode skipped. No matter how much of the episode involves Troy, I gotta watch it.
I did that when I got all the Megaset DVDs from Shout! Factory. Though, I must admit that I didn't start from the very beginning, but instead from where I'd last left off of my previous attempt to re-watch MMPR. I originally started from the beginning back in 2010 when Disney did the reversion of MMPR season 1. When that was over, I decided to keep going with the season by watching the remaining episodes online, but never made it through to the end of the season. So when I got the first two DVD Megasets, I resumed with MMPR where I'd last left off, starting with "Grumble Bee". From there, I went all the way to the end of RPM, "Danger and Destiny, Parts 1-2", once I acquired the remaining Megasets. I didn't continue into Samurai from there since, well, I was already watching Samurai and the subsequent seasons on Nick at the same as when I was watching the DVDs.

Though, does Netflix have all the movies too?

Shadowman wrote:I'm nearly done with Wild Force and so far, honestly, I don't regret it. I was actually shocked at a lot of episodes I had never seen before, and just how much I didn't pick up on as a kid.
Keep going, man! You're almost to the New Zealand seasons, which I honestly feel had more good seasons that bad seasons under Disney's term. ;)^

Shadowman wrote:I still know I'm going to have to actually watch Megaforce, though...
Yeah... As bad as it is, there are still a scant few episodes that are (or at least make an effort of trying to be) actually good. They just... can't make up the other 90% of the show's badness.
"When there's gold feathers, punch behind you!!"

Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
User avatar
Sabrblade
God Of Transformers
Posts: 38776
News Credits: 436
Joined: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:22 pm
Location: Tampa, FL
Strength: 7
Intelligence: 10
Speed: 7
Endurance: 8
Rank: 9
Courage: 8
Firepower: 7
Skill: 9

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:57 am

Motto: "May God have mercy on my enemies, because I sure as hell won't."
Sabrblade wrote:Though, does Netflix have all the movies too?


The most they have is the extended version of Legendary Battle. I had to go to other sources for the Turbo movie, since I consider that one to be an actual episode.

Sabrblade wrote:
Shadowman wrote:I'm nearly done with Wild Force and so far, honestly, I don't regret it. I was actually shocked at a lot of episodes I had never seen before, and just how much I didn't pick up on as a kid.
Keep going, man! You're almost to the New Zealand seasons, which I honestly feel had more good seasons that bad seasons under Disney's term. ;)^

Shadowman wrote:I still know I'm going to have to actually watch Megaforce, though...
Yeah... As bad as it is, there are still a scant few episodes that are (or at least make an effort of trying to be) actually good. They just... can't make up the other 90% of the show's badness.


I know I get to rewatch RPM, which is the only Disney-era show I've already seen every episode of. Unfortunately then it's followed by the Neo-Saban Era which, let's be honest here, they're batting .300 at best.
Sidekick= Saiya_Maximal
Steam Nickname: Big Chief Devil Hawk Fireball
Image
Shadowman's awesome site for cool people.
Shadowman's awesome comic for cool people.
"Falling is really just flying downward and out of control."
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
User avatar
Shadowman
God Of Transformers
Posts: 14263
News Credits: 2
Joined: Mon Nov 18, 2002 4:54 pm
Location: Look! A distraction!

Re: Seiberton Henshin! Tokusatsu Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:43 am

Motto: "Can't do a job halfway. What's worth doing is worth doing well, I say."
Weapon: Saber Blade
Shadowman wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Though, does Netflix have all the movies too?


The most they have is the extended version of Legendary Battle. I had to go to other sources for the Turbo movie, since I consider that one to be an actual episode.
What? They don't even have the "Clash of the Red Rangers" Samurai movie (which technically takes place during Super Samurai)?
"When there's gold feathers, punch behind you!!"

Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
User avatar
Sabrblade
God Of Transformers
Posts: 38776
News Credits: 436
Joined: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:22 pm
Location: Tampa, FL
Strength: 7
Intelligence: 10
Speed: 7
Endurance: 8
Rank: 9
Courage: 8
Firepower: 7
Skill: 9

PreviousNext

Return to General Discussion

Transformers and More @ The Seibertron Store

Visit our store on eBay
These are affiliate links. We may earn commissions when you purchase items or services through these links.
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "BWVS-04 TIGATRON + BLACKARACHNIA Transformers Beast Wars Again Kingdom Hasbro"
BWVS-04 TIGATRON + ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "WFC-K33 SLAMMER Transformers War for Cybertron Kingdom Deluxe Hasbro 2022 New"
NEW!
WFC-K33 SLAMMER Tr ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "WFC-K28 GALVATRON fixed shoulders Transformers War Cybertron Kingdom Leader 2021"
WFC-K28 GALVATRON ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "BWVS-03 CHEETOR + WASPINATOR Transformers Beast Wars Again Kingdom Hasbro 2024"
BWVS-03 CHEETOR + ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "WFC-E18 AIRWAVE Transformers War for Cybertron Earthrise Deluxe Hasbro 2020 New"
WFC-E18 AIRWAVE Tr ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "WFC-E38 MEGATRON Transformers War for Cybertron Earthrise Tomy ER-13 Takara New"
NEW!
WFC-E38 MEGATRON T ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "WFC-K10 MEGATRON Transformers War Cybertron Kingdom Leader Beast Wars 2021 New"
WFC-K10 MEGATRON T ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "TRANSFORMERS #5 Cover B IDW Comic Book 2019 BOLD NEW ERA SIEGE 5B (CA) Whitman"
TRANSFORMERS #5 Co ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "OPTIMUS PRIMAL + RATTRAP Transformers War Cybertron Trilogy Kingdom Netflix 2021"
OPTIMUS PRIMAL + R ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "TRANSFORMERS #9 Cover A IDW Comic 2019 BOLD NEW ERA SIEGE 9A (CA) Miyao"
TRANSFORMERS #9 Co ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "WHEELIE Transformers Studio Series 86 Core Class Hasbro 2022 New"
WHEELIE Transforme ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "KUP Transformers Buzzworthy Bumblebee Studio Series 86-02 Hasbro 2022 New"
KUP Transformers B ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "WRECK-GAR Transformers Studio Series 86-09 Animated Movie Voyager 2021 New"
WRECK-GAR Transfor ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "WFC-K13 MEGATRON Transformers War Cybertron Kingdom Core Hasbro 2021 New"
WFC-K13 MEGATRON T ...
* Price and quantities subject to change. Shipping costs, taxes and other fees not included in cost shown. Refer to listing for current price and availability.
Find the items above and thousands more at the Seibertron Store on eBay
Transformers Podcast: Twincast / Podcast #347 - Swooped In
Twincast / Podcast #347:
"Swooped In"
MP3 · iTunes · RSS · View · Discuss · Ask
Posted: Saturday, April 6th, 2024

Featured Products on Amazon.com

These are affiliate links. We may earn commissions when you purchase items or services through these links.
Buy "Transformers Authentics Bumblebee" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers: Generations Power of The Primes Legends Class Roadtrap" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Generations Power of The Primes Deluxe Terrorcon Rippersnapper" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Generations Power of The Primes Deluxe Class Blackwing" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers: Generations Power of The Primes Leader Evolution Rodimus Unicronus" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Generations Power of The Primes Voyager Class Elita-1" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers: Generations Power of The Primes Solus Prime Prime Master" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers: Bumblebee Movie Toys, Energon Igniters Nitro Bumblebee Action Figure - Included Core Powers Driving Action - Toys for Kids 6 and Up, 7-inch" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Generations Titans Return Blitzwing and Decepticon Hazard" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Deluxe Class Prowl Figure" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers: Bumblebee -- Energon Igniters Speed Series Barricade" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers: The Last Knight 1-Step Turbo Changer Cogman" on AMAZON