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Show Accuracy: Toys Comparisons

Postby Logan. » Wed Apr 20, 2016 1:32 pm

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I gradually will update this thread: my galleries pics and show comparisons.


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G1


Bruticus (1986, Encore Version 2009)
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Jazz (1984, Encore Meister 2008)
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Landmine (1988, Pretender)
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Predaking (1986, Takara D-78)
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Masterpiece (2003)


Grapple
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Hot Rodimus
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Inferno
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Ironhide
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Jaguar (Ravage)
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Megatron
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Ratchet
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Shockwave
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Thrust
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Thrust (Not my pics, thanks to Cyberpath for the cartoon accurate image)
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Animated (2007/2008)


Bulkhead (Voyager)
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Generations: Thrilling 30 (2013)


Brainstorm (Voyager)
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Hoist (Deluxe)
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Metroplex (Titan, Takara)
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Rattrap (Deluxe)
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Rhinox (Voyager)
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Scamper (Legends, Takara)
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Skrapnel (Legends)
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Waspinator (Deluxe)
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Age of Extinction (2014)


Evasion Mode Optimus Prime (Voyager, Autobots United)
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Optimus Prime (Dual Model Kit)
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Scorn (Deluxe, Dinobots Unleashed)
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Generations: Combiner Wars (2015)


Afterburner(Deluxe, not my pics)
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Air Raid (Deluxe)
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Blades (Deluxe)
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Blast Off (Deluxe, UW)
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Bombshell (Legends)
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Bonecrusher (Voyager, Unite Warriors)
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Brake-Neck (Deluxe)
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Brawl (Deluxe, Unite Warriors)
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Brawl (Deluxe)
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Breakdown (Deluxe)
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Bruticus (Unite Warriors)
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Computron (Unite Warriors)
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Cyclonus (Voyager)
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Dead End (Deluxe)
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Defensor
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Devastator (Titan, Unite Warriors)
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Drag Strip (Deluxe)
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Dust Up (Deluxe, Seibertron pics)
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Firefly (Deluxe)
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First Aid (Deluxe)
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Groove (Legends)
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Hook (Voyager, UW)
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Hot Spot (Voyager)
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Jumpstream (Deluxe, Seibertron pics)
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Lightspeed (Deluxe, Unite Warriors)
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Lightspeed (Deluxe, not my pics)
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Long Haul (UW)
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Megatron (Leader)
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Menasor
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Mixmaster (Voyager, Unite Warriors)
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Motormaster (Voyager)
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Nosecone (Deluxe, Unite Warriors)
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Nosecone (Deluxe, not my pics)
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Onslaught (Voyager, Unite Warriors)
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Optimus Prime (Voyager)
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Pyra Magna (Voyager, Seibertron pics)
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Powerglide (Legends)
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Quickslinger (Deluxe)
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Rust Dust (Legends, Seibertron pics)
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Scattershot (Voyager, not my pics)
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Scavenger (Voyager, Unite Warriors)
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Shockwave (Legends)
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Scrapper (Voyager, Unite Warriors)
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Silverbolt (Voyager)
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Skyburst (Deluxe, Seibertron pics)
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Skydive (Deluxe)
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Sky Lynx (Voyager)
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Stormclash (Deluxe, Seibertron pics)
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Strafe (Deluxe, not my pics)
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Streetwise (Deluxe)
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Sunstreaker (Deluxe)
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Superion
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Swindle (Deluxe)
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Swindle (Deluxe, Unite Warriors)
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Thundercracker (Legends)
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Ultra Magnus (Leader)
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Victorion (Seibertron pics)
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Vortex (Deluxe, Unite Warriors)
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Warpath (Legends)
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Titans Return (2016)


Alpha Trion (Voyager - Concept by Emiliano Santalucia)
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Astrotrain (Voyager, Legends Takara)
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Blurr (Deluxe, Legends)
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Blurr (Deluxe, Official Images)
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Brainstorm (Deluxe, Walgreens Exclusive)
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Brawn (Legends)
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Cerebros/Fortress (Deluxe, Legends)
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Chromedome (Deluxe)
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Chromedome (Takara LG Version pics from internet)
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Fortress Maximus (Titan, Takara Legends)
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Galvatron (Voyager)
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Hardhead (Deluxe, Legends Takara)
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Highbrow (Deluxe)
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Kickback (Legends)
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Scourge (Deluxe)
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Sentinel Prime (Voyager)
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Skullsmasher (Deluxe)
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Triggerhappy (Deluxe)
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Wheelie (Legends Takara)
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Re: Toys-Show Comparisons

Postby Wolfman Jake » Wed Apr 20, 2016 1:39 pm

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Very nice! I love comparison pics like these. Would you mind making some featuring the Takara Tomy versions of some of these guys? They tend to be even more accurate to the G1 cartoon animation models. I see that you do have the Takara version of Devastator, at least. That is my quintessential "Classics" version of the character.
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Re: Toys-Show Comparisons

Postby Sowndwave76 » Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:48 pm

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Wolfman Jake wrote:Very nice! I love comparison pics like these. Would you mind making some featuring the Takara Tomy versions of some of these guys? They tend to be even more accurate to the G1 cartoon animation models. I see that you do have the Takara version of Devastator, at least. That is my quintessential "Classics" version of the character.


Agreed. And thanks for sharing the images. Very cool.
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Show Accuracy: Comparisons

Postby Logan. » Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:04 am

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Thanks Sowndwave76 and Wolfman.^^
Takara? OK, something. ;)

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Re: Toys-Show Comparisons

Postby TK415 » Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:00 pm

Dude, this is very cool! Thank you.
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Show Accuracy: Comparisons

Postby Logan. » Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:35 am

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TK415 wrote:Dude, this is very cool! Thank you.


A real pleasure^^
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Re: Show Accuracy: Comparisons

Postby Logan. » Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:41 am

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Re: Show Accuracy: Toys Comparisons

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Re: Show Accuracy: Toys Comparisons

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Apr 22, 2016 7:56 pm

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Yeah, I'd stick to comparing just the Takara versions to the cartoon models since Takara is a lot more beholden to show-accuracy in terms of colors and color layouts than Hasbro is, sometimes even to extreme lengths. Takara's Sunstreaker, for instance, even has a fake windshield painted on its robot mode chest to emulate the actual windshield that Sunstreaker had on his chest in the cartoon.

Hasbro's design are more about updating and reinventing looks to be different from the designs of the past (including those of the cartoon), whereas Takara is all about adhering to the looks of the cartoon (or sometimes the looks of the comics).
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Re: Show Accuracy: Toys Comparisons

Postby Wolfman Jake » Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:18 pm

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Something really helpful would be a comparison series including the G1 toys, the original cartoon models, the latest Hasbro version of a character, and the respective Takara Tomy version of that same figure. That can help highlight not only the difference between the Hasbro and Takara decos, but show where Hasbro tends to lean more towards G1 toy details. I think with Hasbro, they consider the original toys to be the "definitive" looks for the characters, while Takara instead regards the original animation models as the template for each character. (Of course, there are always exceptions to this "rule.")
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Re: Show Accuracy: Toys Comparisons

Postby Logan. » Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:19 pm

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True^^, it's also a way to compare the two versions, Hasbro and Takara, to see the differences in the show-accuracy context; generally for example, Hoist/Trailbreaker is very away from the G1 style.

Then I always insert my models pics in these comparisons and most of my Generations models is Hasbro (but Bruticus and Computron will be Takara)
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Re: Show Accuracy: Toys Comparisons

Postby Logan. » Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:39 am

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Re: Show Accuracy: Toys Comparisons

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Re: Show Accuracy: Toys Comparisons

Postby william-james88 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:29 am

Just wondering Logan, why do you compare show accuracy with figures that werent made to have the same alt mode (shockwave) or who's mold was not initially meant for that character (warpath) ? Wouldnt a comparison with MP Shockwave and Generations Deluxe warpath be more appropriate? This is really cool stuff, but I was wondering what your angle was and if you are limiting yourself to generations figures and the choice behind some.

And do you think of putting some takara comparisons too to see which between Hasbro and Takara is better representative of the show?
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Re: Show Accuracy: Toys Comparisons

Postby Logan. » Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:35 am

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Thanks William-james.
I have made my models galleries and then these comparisons, I like using my pics and my models therefore, not only internet pics; but, if you wanted to create a list with a precise direction, I would be happy to accomplish using internet or seibertron pics(as soon as possible).^^
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Re: Show Accuracy: Toys Comparisons

Postby william-james88 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:43 am

Logan79 wrote:Thanks William-james.
I have made my models galleries and then these comparisons, I like using my pics and my models therefore, not only internet pics; but, if you wanted to create a list with a precise direction, I would be happy to accomplish using internet or seibertron pics(as soon as possible).^^


I was just curious but now I get it, you are using the toys you own to do these. And thats perfectly fair. I have nothing to add, this is good work :)
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Re: Show Accuracy: Toys Comparisons

Postby Logan. » Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:41 am

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Thanks William-james; but if you wanted to create a precise list, I have not problems, I will use my pics, Seibertron or internet pics, also a new index book/topic^ ^
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Re: Show Accuracy: Toys Comparisons

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Re: Show Accuracy: Toys Comparisons

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:00 pm

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Takara's versions would be the ones to do these comparisons with since, when asked at BotCon 2016 about Takara's more show-accurate Computron, Hasbro basically stated that they care far less about accuracy to older cartoons than Takara does, with Hasbro wanting to change things more and liking their own less-accurate Computron better than Takara's.
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Re: Show Accuracy: Toys Comparisons

Postby Wolfman Jake » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:08 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Takara's versions would be the ones to do these comparisons with since, when asked at BotCon 2016 about Takara's more show-accurate Computron, Hasbro basically stated that they care far less about accuracy to older cartoons than Takara does, with Hasbro wanting to change things more and liking their own less-accurate Computron better than Takara's.


Hasbro: "We do whatever the heck we want, because it's our stuff. You'll still buy it, anyway."

Takara Tomy: "We do whatever we can to please Transformers fans so you'll keep coming back for more."
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Re: Show Accuracy: Toys Comparisons

Postby william-james88 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:29 pm

Wolfman Jake wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Takara's versions would be the ones to do these comparisons with since, when asked at BotCon 2016 about Takara's more show-accurate Computron, Hasbro basically stated that they care far less about accuracy to older cartoons than Takara does, with Hasbro wanting to change things more and liking their own less-accurate Computron better than Takara's.


Hasbro: "We do whatever the heck we want, because it's our stuff. You'll still buy it, anyway."

Takara Tomy: "We do whatever we can to please Transformers fans so you'll keep coming back for more."


You know what I find hilarious? Its Hasbro saying they like their own version better. Thats like voting for yourself to be class president.
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Re: Show Accuracy: Toys Comparisons

Postby Wolfman Jake » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:46 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Takara's versions would be the ones to do these comparisons with since, when asked at BotCon 2016 about Takara's more show-accurate Computron, Hasbro basically stated that they care far less about accuracy to older cartoons than Takara does, with Hasbro wanting to change things more and liking their own less-accurate Computron better than Takara's.


Hasbro: "We do whatever the heck we want, because it's our stuff. You'll still buy it, anyway."

Takara Tomy: "We do whatever we can to please Transformers fans so you'll keep coming back for more."


You know what I find hilarious? Its Hasbro saying they like their own version better. Thats like voting for yourself to be class president.


I would LOVE to know what Hasbro's criteria are for "better." Is it whatever they think looks "cool?"
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Re: Show Accuracy: Toys Comparisons

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:04 pm

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Here's my transcription of the answer given by John Warden and Ben Montano when they were asked about the Hasbro vs. Takara Computrons at BotCon:
Q: What goes into the decision-making process of things like for the figures’ prime character still having a Superion head versus a few months later Takara comes out with a Generation 1-accurate Computron head?

John: That’s a good question. A complicated question.

Ben: Yeah, I don’t think it’s something we can get into the full details here, it’s something we definitely know and acknowledge for you guys it can be confusing, but it’s a decision we make on, a lot of it is timing-based, what we kinda wanna get on the market certain things and in our stories. And some of it may have to do with what we’re doing outside of toys and video games, you know, stuff that’s influencing and impacting how we approach our characters and our stories, so we often have an eye to the future that the things we introduce here we expect to see that kind of evolution of that character and that look in other spaces. So, a lot of what you see here is an homage to the past, but as John and Eddie have talked about, a lot of what we’re doing too is an eye towards the future of bringing new fans in and kind of giving us a chance to tell a new story versus kinda being chained to only the old stories. Hopefully you guys all see that big part of the new Machinima Combiner Wars story is there’s a lot of story that’s untold, a lot of gray area, a lot of gaps in our continuity, and that’s part of what we see the opportunity to do with the toys. Like, let’s fill in some gaps, let’s do some cool things that kind of open up the freedom whether it’s a comic or animation just to introduce something new.
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Re: Show Accuracy: Toys Comparisons

Postby Wolfman Jake » Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:30 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Here's my transcription of the answer given by John Warden and Ben Montano when they were asked about the Hasbro vs. Takara Computrons at BotCon:
Q: What goes into the decision-making process of things like for the figures’ prime character still having a Superion head versus a few months later Takara comes out with a Generation 1-accurate Computron head?

John: That’s a good question. A complicated question.

Ben: Yeah, I don’t think it’s something we can get into the full details here, it’s something we definitely know and acknowledge for you guys it can be confusing, but it’s a decision we make on, a lot of it is timing-based, what we kinda wanna get on the market certain things and in our stories. And some of it may have to do with what we’re doing outside of toys and video games, you know, stuff that’s influencing and impacting how we approach our characters and our stories, so we often have an eye to the future that the things we introduce here we expect to see that kind of evolution of that character and that look in other spaces. So, a lot of what you see here is an homage to the past, but as John and Eddie have talked about, a lot of what we’re doing too is an eye towards the future of bringing new fans in and kind of giving us a chance to tell a new story versus kinda being chained to only the old stories. Hopefully you guys all see that big part of the new Machinima Combiner Wars story is there’s a lot of story that’s untold, a lot of gray area, a lot of gaps in our continuity, and that’s part of what we see the opportunity to do with the toys. Like, let’s fill in some gaps, let’s do some cool things that kind of open up the freedom whether it’s a comic or animation just to introduce something new.


That's interesting information, but still says NOTHING about why Hasbro decided to give their Computron a repaint of Superion's head instead of a new sculpt, as Takara Tomy was obviously more than happy to do in a time frame that would have gotten the product out to market BEFORE Hasbro's time frame anyway. "Future thinking" and "story telling" are great reasons to refresh the brand and do something different with classic characters and plot lines, but it doesn't hide the fact that some decisions are simply cost-based, period.
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