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[Sigma Magnus]

Feel free to ask any of my opinions on specific stuff from the movie! I haven't seen it enough or had enough time to fully collect my thoughts.

Does the medallion and the Last Knight himself actually serve any kind of purpose towards the plot? Why would Megatron want the medalion if its not connected to the Staff? Isnt he looking for the staff?

Also, there are 2 versions of the film being shown right now, one where Nitro says "say hi to your wife for me" to the guards and another where he says "Enrique is sleeping with your wife". Which did you watch?

As I said in the main thread, the Talisman was needed to get inside the underwater ship that contained the 12 Knights, Merlin, and the Staff.

And the version I saw was where Nitro said 'Say hi to your wife for me'.

[william-james88]

Feel free to ask any of my opinions on specific stuff from the movie! I haven't seen it enough or had enough time to fully collect my thoughts.

Does the medallion and the Last Knight himself actually serve any kind of purpose towards the plot? Why would Megatron want the medalion if its not connected to the Staff? Isnt he looking for the staff?

Also, there are 2 versions of the film being shown right now, one where Nitro says "say hi to your wife for me" to the guards and another where he says "Enrique is sleeping with your wife". Which did you watch?

As I said in the main thread, the Talisman was needed to get inside the underwater ship that contained the 12 Knights, Merlin, and the Staff.

And the version I saw was where Nitro said 'Say hi to your wife for me'.

Thanks I totally forgot that bit and probably didnt catch it the first time. Sorry for being annoying about it, I will shut up now Thanks again!

[PadForce]

I am SO disappointed with TLK after AoE which I thought was going in the right direction.

Edit: having re read my post its a big list of moans so I am just editing in at the top the positives:
Merlin
Hopkins
Unicron being earth - nice twist! Bit odd tho given the harvesting scene at start of AoE

RE the film:
It swung right back to humans vs transformers rather than TFs vs TFs.
Transformations... there were actually not that many, a huge number of the scene changes just suddenly show the bots already in car mode. Megatron is the only one you see transform in detail, twice I think.
Virtually no character development again for the cons because again they arnt the main badguys - Lockdown from AoE is imo how it should be done in terms of dialogue and screen time. In this film the cons have a shocking amount of screen time. Megatrons crew get picked out of prison are more or less immediately killed.
The inclusion of the combiner is decent but again, its made up of faceless cons we know nothing about. Faceless cons hark straight back to the armies of faceless cons in RoTF and DoTM which are part of the reason I dislike those films so strongly.
The young girl character and her sidekick were a complete irrelevance.. just cut them out of the film tbh.
The sidekick from the junkyard - another irrelevance. I cant explain properly how much it annoyed me seeing him come over to England for the final fight after he has contributed nothing and will literally just get in the way or die.
The (very - gawp) pretty English woman, again a complete waste, cut her out of the story and you lose very little. The mothers meeting scenes bring back bad memories of the Witwicky parents. Whilst I very much enjoyed looking at English lady's boobs, it just should not have been in the movie.
Talking about the witwickies - I liked the photo of Sam (even though I think he is a lot of what was wrong with 2 & 3) but the idea that he is a member of this secret society and his name coincidentally is the same as that of the society is unspeakably dumb. If it isnt coincidence then the society is a hereditary thing... in which case all the famous people are shown are related?? Also the line is supposed to be dead after Hopkins and English lady, but Sam and Hawkings are alive.
The history stuff was too much, the WW2 scene again was completely uneeded. Cut out this rubish and explain the Megatron reincarnation via Quintessa and suddenly the film is just that much more coherent. The annoying thing about this is I really liked the first 20 odd minutes, Merlin is genuinely amusing but you get so many throughout the film it really lessens the impact of the individual scenes.
TRF - yet another anti TF human squad, wow such innovative story telling.
Hot Rod apart from his weapon was so dull, he did virtually nothing in the film of worth outside of firing his gun.
I know a lot of things dont need explaining but stuff like the baby dinos really do need it, can TFs reproduce, can Marky Mark build them, what is happening there?
The dinobots then just dont fancy the trip to the UK apparently.
The casual swearing is really dumb, mainly because very little of it happens in the heat of action. Tag on a complaint about everyone calling everyone else "Dude".

Cheers,

PadForce

[Prowl4]

I am SO disappointed with TLK after AoE which I thought was going in the right direction.

Edit: having re read my post its a big list of moans so I am just editing in at the top the positives:
Merlin
Hopkins
Unicron being earth - nice twist! Bit odd tho given the harvesting scene at start of AoE

RE the film:
It swung right back to humans vs transformers rather than TFs vs TFs.
Transformations... there were actually not that many, a huge number of the scene changes just suddenly show the bots already in car mode. Megatron is the only one you see transform in detail, twice I think.
Virtually no character development again for the cons because again they arnt the main badguys - Lockdown from AoE is imo how it should be done in terms of dialogue and screen time. In this film the cons have a shocking amount of screen time. Megatrons crew get picked out of prison are more or less immediately killed.
The inclusion of the combiner is decent but again, its made up of faceless cons we know nothing about. Faceless cons hark straight back to the armies of faceless cons in RoTF and DoTM which are part of the reason I dislike those films so strongly.
The young girl character and her sidekick were a complete irrelevance.. just cut them out of the film tbh.
The sidekick from the junkyard - another irrelevance. I cant explain properly how much it annoyed me seeing him come over to England for the final fight after he has contributed nothing and will literally just get in the way or die.
The (very - gawp) pretty English woman, again a complete waste, cut her out of the story and you lose very little. The mothers meeting scenes bring back bad memories of the Witwicky parents. Whilst I very much enjoyed looking at English lady's boobs, it just should not have been in the movie.
Talking about the witwickies - I liked the photo of Sam (even though I think he is a lot of what was wrong with 2 & 3) but the idea that he is a member of this secret society and his name coincidentally is the same as that of the society is unspeakably dumb. If it isnt coincidence then the society is a hereditary thing... in which case all the famous people are shown are related?? Also the line is supposed to be dead after Hopkins and English lady, but Sam and Hawkings are alive.
The history stuff was too much, the WW2 scene again was completely uneeded. Cut out this rubish and explain the Megatron reincarnation via Quintessa and suddenly the film is just that much more coherent. The annoying thing about this is I really liked the first 20 odd minutes, Merlin is genuinely amusing but you get so many throughout the film it really lessens the impact of the individual scenes.
TRF - yet another anti TF human squad, wow such innovative story telling.
Hot Rod apart from his weapon was so dull, he did virtually nothing in the film of worth outside of firing his gun.
I know a lot of things dont need explaining but stuff like the baby dinos really do need it, can TFs reproduce, can Marky Mark build them, what is happening there?
The dinobots then just dont fancy the trip to the UK apparently.
The casual swearing is really dumb, mainly because very little of it happens in the heat of action. Tag on a complaint about everyone calling everyone else "Dude".

Cheers,

PadForce

Baby dinos were supplied by daytrader.

[PadForce]

Oh right.. did they say that in the film? Still needs to be clear where they came from.

[Prowl4]

Oh right.. did they say that in the film? Still needs to be clear where they came from.

Iirc it's literally a passing remark. It also makes sense as if good bots were hanging around America it'd make sense that they'd end up with cade as he's giving them sanctuary and defence.

I'm curious why TRF were bothered by the knight spacecraft and attacked bee but had no interest in attacking barricade or megatron.

I think there was a lot of subplots going on which got cut. Does anyone else think that the writers room was a bad idea? I mean most writers around now are pretty average save a few and it seems like having more than two resulted in a hodge podge of ideas smashed together which stuck strangely.

[Rodimus Prime]

Why do people still refer to Mark Wahlberg as "Marky Mark?" Do these people think it's still 1991?

[PadForce]

Why do people still refer to Mark Wahlberg as "Marky Mark?" Do these people think it's still 1991?

"These people"?

Because its a nickname that loads of people use. Why does it upset you?

[william-james88]

Why do people still refer to Mark Wahlberg as "Marky Mark?" Do these people think it's still 1991?

Because thats what they first knew him as. Just like I still call Dwayne Johnson "The Rock".

[william-james88]

There are currently two English versions of the Transformers: The Last Knight film out in cinemas and all the differences have not been tallied yet. So far, we do know that these differences are mostly found with the robots and their voices/lines. The most obvious difference when Nitro Zeus is released from prison and talks to the guards. Do you recall what he says in the version you watched? He either says I "I know where you live, Enrique, say hello to you wife for me!" or "By the way Enrique, Chad's sleeping with your wife.". What is even more odd is that the version where he says the later is entirely voiced by Stephen Barr rather than John DiMaggio, changing the way all his lines are uttered.
Let us know if you spot any other differences when viewing the film elsewhere.

[Munkky]

Not sure if this is one or not, but I remember the scene where Cogman breaks Crosshairs' finger, just before it Crosshairs says "What's with this little C-3PO knock-off?", which is different from his line in the trailers "I'll squash this little cockroach for you Cade." Did anyone hear the "squash this little cockroach" line when they saw the film? Or is it the "C-3PO knock-off" line for everyone?

[Nexus Knight]

TFwiki has actually started making a list of differences.

[william-james88]

TFwiki has actually started making a list of differences.

Thanks! It super odd how they reffer to one as "finished" while it misses some lines that help the story, like explaining where Optimus is during the end battle.

Now I can't even know if my bitching about the movie makes sense to you guys since it turns out its the "unfinished" version I watched. I found it super odd and very amateurish of Michael Bay to have a shot of Sqweeks with his arm changing from that massive arm to his previous unbroken one from shot to shot. But now I am realizing that might be something none of you saw in the finished version.
This is super odd.

[Nexus Knight]

TFwiki has actually started making a list of differences.

Thanks! It super odd how they reffer to one as "finished" while it misses some lines that help the story, like explaining where Optimus is during the end battle.

Now I can't even know if my bitching about the movie makes sense to you guys since it turns out its the "unfinished" version I watched. I found it super odd and very amateurish of Michael Bay to have a shot of Sqweeks with his arm changing from that massive arm to his previous unbroken one from shot to shot. But now I am realizing that might be something none of you saw in the finished version.
This is super odd.

Happy to help!

That is rather strange. However, many of the points you probably made (sorry, don't remember every review ) could still be valid. Would it be possible for you to go see the movie elsewhere and make an amended review?

[dragons]

I head c3po line but didn't hear Mohawk variant line all I hear is I know where I live all I heard him say

[WreckerJack]

Strange, must have been a last minute edit. I guess someone thought it was too naughty. Ironically this brings more attention to it for those in the know. If I heard it I would have not thought much of it but now that they edited it I am thinking about it.

[Insurgent]

I heard the C3PO line. Missed the Nitro line, I was too busy looking at him and his Shockwave head to fully understand what he said. But it explains why the guy gave him the finger after. Squeeks was also consistent with which arm he had, after it got replaced with the Decepticon one.


Looking at those differences, I was going to say I saw the finished one (Crosshairs tells Bee to grow up), but then I read about the missing line wondering where Prime was at the end. In my viewing, Lennox and Cade ask where Prime is and the other says "He didn't make it. He's gone down." or something to that affect. It was definetly addressed.




I have a question. If the TRF knew Cade had a thing we were looking for, why did they team up with the Decepticons to go after them? It's not like they had to go hunting for him, they knew where he was as they gave his position to Megatron. Surely it would have made more sense to send Lennox out there to talk to Cade, since Lennox has history with the AUtobots, he's met Cade and turning up with a couple of people just to talk would be a lot more reasonable to get what you want rather than turning up with a small squad of the guys who tried to destroy the planet a few times. And who would clearly just try to kill the lot of them. If it was Cemetery Wind, I could understand him hoping they would at least off a few of each other. But I don't understand why Lennox and Morshower went straight to the team up with Megatron idea.


I have many more questions, but I don't want to bombard the thread.


And does anyone else think Cogman being a headmaster was a twelth hour addition? He does nothing remotely like it in the film, and the only reference was a quick comment from Hopkins, off screen, while other dialogue was also going on. I get the impression Cogman was not meant to be a headmaster.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I remember the C-3PO Knockoff line from my 2 experiences, though I could have swore I remembered Crosshairs calling Cogman a cockroach one time. I can't really remember the Nitro line either, whichever one it was, went by too quick and me and the rest of theatre were laughing at the cons then. I don't remember a line about where Optimus was during the final battle

[OptimalOptimus2]

All I can say about Transformers: The Last Knight is that it was a LOT better than Age of Extinction and I can't emphasize that enough.

Although I wish the Dinobots had more screen time and a Grimlock that can talk. Well, at least Cade said his name.

[Burn]

Why do people still refer to Mark Wahlberg as "Marky Mark?" Do these people think it's still 1991?

Because thats what they first knew him as. Just like I still call Dwayne Johnson "The Rock".

But he still uses "The Rock" name, especially when he makes an appearance in WWE.

"Marky Mark" was a persona that Wahlberg put to bed full-time years ago. He's moved on. When people use it these days it comes across with a derogatory/insulting tone.

[Nexus Knight]

Why do people still refer to Mark Wahlberg as "Marky Mark?" Do these people think it's still 1991?

Because thats what they first knew him as. Just like I still call Dwayne Johnson "The Rock".

But he still uses "The Rock" name, especially when he makes an appearance in WWE.

"Marky Mark" was a persona that Wahlberg put to bed full-time years ago. He's moved on. When people use it these days it comes across with a derogatory/insulting tone.

I would also like to point out certain people simply like saying things. I know that's why the two people whom spawned me say it.

[Deadput]

And does anyone else think Cogman being a headmaster was a twelth hour addition? He does nothing remotely like it in the film, and the only reference was a quick comment from Hopkins, off screen, while other dialogue was also going on. I get the impression Cogman was not meant to be a headmaster.

Uhhh it wasn't a "late" edition at all it was cut from the movie first of all Bay's been talking about in his early interviews for the movie so it wasn't something made up at the last minute.

They filmed those scenes back in 2016 before the cgi stuff was finished they had plenty of time to put it in and it actually sounds like it was a last month change to not put his headmaster stuff in the film because Bay talked about how they couldn't finish it in time around a week before the movie came out.

Also both his and Nitro's toys were being designed presumably in 2016 because they don't engineer toys in a couple months.

[EvasionModeBumblebee]

Just got back from seeing the movie, and I loved it. One of my favorites of the series, I'd say certainly better than ROTF and AOE. Anyways, likes and dislikes!
Things I liked:
- Bumblebee's voice! He sounds younger than he did in the first movie, but it still sounds similar.
- Cogman (though interestingly not a headmaster. I thought for sure we would've seen it after Bee blasts Nitro's head off (like the toy), but nope. Probably in an earlier draft.)
- Romantic subplot takes up much less screen time than it has in previous films, thank goodness.
- WWII Scene. It didn't need to be there, but I liked it.
- Steve Jablonsky's score was great as always, loved the hints of older tracks like arrival to earth, and some others like when we first see Bee and when Optimus fights the combined infernocus.
- We didn't lose any Autobots in this one, so we'll get to see more from these characters in the future.
- A bunch of scenes in particular, including;
- Megatron and Starscream's head (even though there's a problem with it)
- Every scene with Bumblebee in it, especially the scenes towards the end of the movie, like when
he kills Nitro.)
- Optimus taking out Infernocus

Things I didn't like:
- We get no explanation for how Bumblebee can put himself back together. It's apparently a new ability, otherwise he should've been able to put his legs back on in TF1.
- How is Starscream's head in one piece? it got blasted to slag last I remember.
- Topspin has Leadfoot's head, which is either an error or an unexplained headmaster thing.
- The decepticons weren't really scary, they were just (with the exception of Barricade and Megs) obnoxious. I was totally ok with them getting killed off.
- No Bumblebee v. Barricade rematch

Like I said, a few problems, but overall I very much enjoyed it. Bring on the next one, Paramount!

[william-james88]

That is rather strange. However, many of the points you probably made (sorry, don't remember every review ) could still be valid. Would it be possible for you to go see the movie elsewhere and make an amended review?

Well that would mean I would have to pay for it again Kidding aside, I dont wish to watch this film again anytime soon. Also, since Paramount did send these unfinished version out to cinemas, it is only fair that I review what I saw since someone else may watch that very same version. What we could amend is to say that I watched a different version of the film, in the review, that could work.

- Topspin has Leadfoot's head, which is either an error or an unexplained headmaster thing.
- The decepticons weren't really scary, they were just (with the exception of Barricade and Megs) obnoxious. I was totally ok with them getting killed off.
- No Bumblebee v. Barricade rematch

I feel the same about those last two points. When BB shot barricade in london and barricade started transforming, I was like "Holy ****, tis gonna happen, rematch!!!!!!!!!!". And then nothing happened. It was a bigger tease than a girl I dated back in high school.

About the leadfoot head, while it was odd, I didnt mind it and here is why: The Bayverse has made it clear that Transformers can have facial hair. We know some bots are older and some are younger and they share some similar traits to humans (usually for the sake of a joke) and I always felt the facial hair was one of those. So, since Topspin is in cuba, I thought they made the joke that he decided to relax and grow a beard. Either as a joke on castro, who is famous for a beard, or that of a guy who is in protection (like Denzel in Safe House), or just not needing to keep appearance anymore like David Letterman after retiring. Far fetched maybe, but it seems in line with the rest of the films.

I have a question. If the TRF knew Cade had a thing we were looking for, why did they team up with the Decepticons to go after them? It's not like they had to go hunting for him, they knew where he was as they gave his position to Megatron. Surely it would have made more sense to send Lennox out there to talk to Cade, since Lennox has history with the AUtobots, he's met Cade and turning up with a couple of people just to talk would be a lot more reasonable to get what you want rather than turning up with a small squad of the guys who tried to destroy the planet a few times. And who would clearly just try to kill the lot of them. If it was Cemetery Wind, I could understand him hoping they would at least off a few of each other. But I don't understand why Lennox and Morshower went straight to the team up with Megatron idea.

Excellent question and one I was asking too. Clearly, the fact that they could tag bee and also capture all those Decepticons they are freeing is proof that they know how to handle it. Plus, Optimus isnt around, Cade doesnt have all the muscle he had before. It feel really odd to instead resort to releasing dangerous Decepticons that they themselves were able to handle. Its one of those things that look fun onscreen but make no sense when thinking over it. If they are better than the Decepticons, then why release them instead of doing it themselves and make a hectic situation even more hectic?

[EvasionModeBumblebee]

About the leadfoot head, while it was odd, I didnt mind it and here is why: The Bayverse has made it clear that Transformers can have facial hair. We know some bots are older and some are younger and they share some similar traits to humans (usually for the sake of a joke) and I always felt the facial hair was one of those. So, since Topspin is in cuba, I thought they made the joke that he decided to relax and grow a beard. Either as a joke on castro, who is famous for a beard, or that of a guy who is in protection (like Denzel in Safe House), or just not needing to keep appearance anymore like David Letterman after retiring. Far fetched maybe, but it seems in line with the rest of the films.

Yeah, I suppose so. He did lose his mullet from DOTM though, maybe he got the look as a tribute to Leadfoot. Also, TFWiki says Roadbuster showed up in cuba with Topspin. I don't remember seeing that, can anyone verify that he was there?