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[Nexus Knight]

That is rather strange. However, many of the points you probably made (sorry, don't remember every review ) could still be valid. Would it be possible for you to go see the movie elsewhere and make an amended review?

Well that would mean I would have to pay for it again Kidding aside, I dont wish to watch this film again anytime soon. Also, since Paramount did send these unfinished version out to cinemas, it is only fair that I review what I saw since someone else may watch that very same version. What we could amend is to say that I watched a different version of the film, in the review, that could work.

Fair enough. If Paramount couldn't be bothered to actually make sure that the finished product was delivered to all customers, why should those that get the unfinished version be bothered to track down a theater with the proper version?

Still can't wait for our little town theater to get it, though. As mentioned before, the '07 movie was my gateway into Transformers, so the movieverse has a special place for me. Plus, I gotta judge the film myself.

[Insurgent]

And does anyone else think Cogman being a headmaster was a twelth hour addition? He does nothing remotely like it in the film, and the only reference was a quick comment from Hopkins, off screen, while other dialogue was also going on. I get the impression Cogman was not meant to be a headmaster.

Uhhh it wasn't a "late" edition at all it was cut from the movie first of all Bay's been talking about in his early interviews for the movie so it wasn't something made up at the last minute.

They filmed those scenes back in 2016 before the cgi stuff was finished they had plenty of time to put it in and it actually sounds like it was a last month change to not put his headmaster stuff in the film because Bay talked about how they couldn't finish it in time around a week before the movie came out.

Also both his and Nitro's toys were being designed presumably in 2016 because they don't engineer toys in a couple months.

I don't listen to interviews or features or anything before a movie comes out. I hate how esy it is to learn everything bout a movie before ut comes out these days. So first i knew he was a headmaster was the toy reveal a few weeks ago. I thought Hasbro did the toy to do some cross line play and the movie only found out late, hence the info is given off screen and under other dialogue. It seemed like it was put in last minute.there is precedent for toys doing something tht the show runners didn't know (lugnuts mace in animated not showing up until season 2 for example)


@will exactly. Sending random army guy i can understand not wanting to do, but Lennox knows them! They know how bad Megatron is. It seemed like they just wanted a suicide squad moment.


Oh, and unicrons spikes are floating on the earth surface. They can't go under the surface or they wouldn't have moved with pangea.

But it doesn't matter because earth is dead. A chunk of moon is missing. Some of the earth surface is missing. Our core cooled a bit. Oh, and there's a planet on our planet. No way humanity is surviving that fallout.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

About the leadfoot head, while it was odd, I didnt mind it and here is why: The Bayverse has made it clear that Transformers can have facial hair. We know some bots are older and some are younger and they share some similar traits to humans (usually for the sake of a joke) and I always felt the facial hair was one of those. So, since Topspin is in cuba, I thought they made the joke that he decided to relax and grow a beard. Either as a joke on castro, who is famous for a beard, or that of a guy who is in protection (like Denzel in Safe House), or just not needing to keep appearance anymore like David Letterman after retiring. Far fetched maybe, but it seems in line with the rest of the films.

Yeah, I suppose so. He did lose his mullet from DOTM though, maybe he got the look as a tribute to Leadfoot. Also, TFWiki says Roadbuster showed up in cuba with Topspin. I don't remember seeing that, can anyone verify that he was there?

I saw him on the beach in the first scene in Cuba. He is there

[o.supreme]

Well thanks to my wife, and some rearranging of my personal schedule we were able to see this late yesterday afternoon.…where do I begin? I’m just not sure even how to react to this film, is it the worst thing ever? I don’t think so…is it a good story? No, not at all. Some things I enjoyed…Dragonstorm looked cool for what little time he was onscreen, same with Infernocus. Cogman oddly enough was probably the most enjoyable new character in the whole film, although, as was referred to one time, he never showed off his ability as a Headmaster onscreen.

Now there are literally dozens of nitpicks, and some very big problems I could point out for this film, but this does not stem from any hatred of Michael Bay, or *lazy writers*, or poor acting, it stems from my enjoyment of Transformers in general. You see I have been a Transformers fan since day 1 (May 1984). The first film in 2007 I genuinely enjoyed, I saw it in the theater 4 times. Many people say each sequel has gotten worse, where I tend to see an up-and-down effect, but TLK is definitely on the downward side of things. Here we are five films in, and continuity has basically been thrown out the window. Some fans may feel that occurred long ago, but for me at least, I could, in my own head, make sense of all of it up until now. There were just too many things that happened in this film that made no sense. I’ll just try to list a few of them…

1. If Sir Edmund Burton (Anthony Hopkins) was the last of the last surviving member of the "Witwiccan" order, what happened to Sam and his father?
2. There was literally no explanation as to how Megatorn came to be in his present form (previously was reborn as Galvatron manufactured by KSI) * one fan online says there was a line of dialogue providing a vague reference but I did not hear it
3. This *may* have been the first Transformers film with no significant Autobot deaths (a couple of generics and knights die, but none of the main characters)
4. Unfortunately aside form Megatron and Barricade, the rest of the Decepticons have very little character development, a few have a funny little shtick, then are quickly dispensed with.
5. Quintessa looks nothing like the organic “creators” as seen at the beginning of AoE
6. In reality I know this is just a case of lack of forward thinking, but one wonders…If Quintessa had always been around why did she not prevent the destruction of Cybertron in the first place? What would be her relationship to characters such as The Fallen, Sentinel Prime etc… Also if, The Fallen was a worshipper of Unicron, it’s likely he would have known Earth was Unicron in dormant form, why would he have tried to destroy it?

I have many more questions, but basically my takeaway is…I see a lot of hate for the franchise in general at this point, from fans and non-fans alike. I’ll admit, I don’t really like where its headed, all the news we heard about a collaboration and a room full of writings outlining a whole “Hasbro” shared universe wasn’t really set up. I’m not sure if further Transformers sequels, or spin-offs as well as MASK, GI Joe, ROM, Action Man etc… will all translate well on film. Honestly, I don’t even like how it’s being handled in the IDW comics. I hear fans calling for a *reboot* to make it more like the original animated series, and I honestly don’t think that’s the answer. I think the franchise just needs to go away from the silver screen for a while. Jurassic park took a 15 year hiatus after the lukewarm reception of the 3rd film, And came back in a blaze of glory (if you don’t agree critically, you can’t argue financially). I think Transformers should do the same. The only part about this that saddens me is that staples of the characters such as Peter Cullen and Frank Welker aren’t getting any younger. I would rather continue to hear them lend their talents to the characters in animated form, but that’s just me. I still think that Hasbro should look to Warner /DC as an example. They have been producing 3 animated films per year for the past decade that for the most part are quite enjoyable. Transformers has a 30+ history from numerous comic book series, and animated series to draw from, investing in direct-to-home lower budget animated films would be a great direction to go in IMHO.

As it stands now my personal series ranking is:

1.TF
2.AoE
3.RotF
4.DotM
5.TLK

[Insurgent]

I guess it wasn't the creators who seeded Earth with the transformium? Maybe? Perhaps?

The Fallen at least, it's never said he was a follower of Unicron. But if he was, maybe that's why he wanted to wipe out humanity from the get go? He saw us as infesting his master? And the Sun Harvester wouldn't have hurt earth physically, it would have just rendered it unable to sustain life, thus freeing Unicron from his slumber?

[Deadput]

About Topspin having Leadfoot's head the most sound theory I heard was that since Topspin never spoke in DOTM he never had cgi rigging for his mouth and so they used one of the Wreckers who did...Leadfoot who so happens to be dead plus it's been years since DOTM and the only people who are really going to notice this are us fans.

Also for people wondering why there is a random yellow construction guy in the Junkyard I think the only reason he exists is for product placement and the decided to a little extra for this guy compared to just a random vehicle or item being there and it's better product placement then AOE's.

http://www.cat.com/en_US/campaigns/awareness/big-idea.html

[Deadput]

I guess it wasn't the creators who seeded Earth with the transformium? Maybe? Perhaps?

The Fallen at least, it's never said he was a follower of Unicron. But if he was, maybe that's why he wanted to wipe out humanity from the get go? He saw us as infesting his master? And the Sun Harvester wouldn't have hurt earth physically, it would have just rendered it unable to sustain life, thus freeing Unicron from his slumber?

Just because the Fallen was a servant of Unicron in one universe doesn't mean the same here in fact I think it's more likely that he came under service to Quintessa (In a retcon of course!) plus The Fallen just wanted to destroy Earth outright but that's just from what I remember so correct me if I'm wrong

[Insurgent]

I guess it wasn't the creators who seeded Earth with the transformium? Maybe? Perhaps?

The Fallen at least, it's never said he was a follower of Unicron. But if he was, maybe that's why he wanted to wipe out humanity from the get go? He saw us as infesting his master? And the Sun Harvester wouldn't have hurt earth physically, it would have just rendered it unable to sustain life, thus freeing Unicron from his slumber?

Just because the Fallen was a servant of Unicron in one universe doesn't mean the same here in fact I think it's more likely that he came under service to Quintessa (In a retcon of course!) plus The Fallen just wanted to destroy Earth outright but that's just from what I remember so correct me if I'm wrong

I know, and I prefer it when they do something different across the continuities. I was just answering the post above mine about why would the fallen want to kill earth, because if he was a servant of unicron, he must have known earth was his dormant form. Honestly, I prefer to think the Fallen was acting on his own, he wasn't connected to anyone else.


The fallen wanted to wipe out humanity. He didn't actually care about physically destroying the earth. He wanted to harvest our sun to create energon to be able to birth the hatchlings. Killing humanity was a perk. Well, when he came back. Originally, way back in 1700 BC he didn't care about wiping us out. But he also didn't care about keeping us alive. He just wanted to harvest our sun and not care about the destruction to life he wraught.



And I thought Topspin did talk in DOTM. He was the scottish one.

[o.supreme]

And I thought Topspin did talk in DOTM. He was the scottish one.

That would have been Roadbuster, but I know its hard to tell them apart since they had so little screen time, or did anything memorable.

[Insurgent]

Oh. Topspin grabbed something in his big claw things and said "watch it, you're bending the beams." or something like that. Unless that was Roadbuster telling Top Spin to be careful. Which makes sense if Roadbuster was the scottish one. Oh well.

[HBGoo1984]

Topspin never said anything in Dark Of The Moon.

[RAR]

I noticed with interest a couple of weeks ago that one of the Transformers toys of Optimus Prime was labelled as "Nemesis Prime" - Bit Odd I though and then forgot about it - until this week when I discover Optimus actually calls himself Nemesis Prime in in The Last Knight.

This seems like a slightly iffy issue in that unlike most Nemesis Prime like Character (with the odd exception) Nemesis Prime is often a clone of Optimus and not actually Optimus.

Is it a good thing or a bad thing to make Evil Optimus' actually Optimus or should they be clones ?

[Sabrblade]

I have no idea what to even say about this movie. I've seen it twice (once in IMAX 3D and once in normal at Pete's Robot Convention), and... there are no words. There are just no words for this thing.

It left me in a state of an emotionless trance for the whole viewing, unable to give any kind of reaction to anything after the first scene with King Arthur and Merlin (the only part of the film I reacted positively to). I think the only other times I had any kind of reaction were when Unicron was revealed to be Earth (a la TF: Prime), and when Quintessa rechristened Optimus as "Nemesis Prime", both of which I ended up facepalming at.

Any of the few legitimate good aspects of the film after the first scene I couldn't feel anything towards because the sheer volume of "What is happening? Why is this happening? How did everything get to this point? Please explain!!" in this movie virtually put up a wall that mentally cut me off from being able to acknowledge the good stuff. My brain just felt so dazed and dead through the whole thing.

The whole movie was just so brainless and messy and that it just nullified the entire experience for me. AOE at least left me feeling neutral indifference to it with its pros and cons balancing each other out, but this just left me feeling so empty inside, like I was clinically dead through the whole thing.


It's actually making me start to miss the badness of ROTF.

[o.supreme]

where do I begin? I’m just not sure even how to react to this film

I have no idea what to even say about this movie.

Disturbing trend...

Anyway, I was going to ask why you saw it twice, but then I was reminded that I promised to take my son, so at some point I'll be seeing it again as well.

As for Revenge of the Fallen, I watched it again a few months back. If you remove Leo & The Twins, it is actually a pretty decent film...or I am just lowering the bar really really low heh...

Also I forgot to mention, I kept looking at my wife for reactions as she usually at least laughs at some of the humor...there was almost no reaction, except for at a few of Cogmans antics. The deadness inside I think is also a disturbing trend as we both felt it a bit.

[Sabrblade]

Anyway, I was going to ask why you saw it twice, but then I was reminded that I promised to take my son, so at some point I'll be seeing it again as well.

Well, I knew I wanted to see it in IMAX 3D, but was pretty sure that that wouldn't be happening at PeteCon, so I went and saw it the day before PeteCon just to see it in IMAX 3D. After all, I'd seen the first four films in theaters more than once each time, so I was expecting myself to do the same with this one, but didn't count on just how mindless this one was gonna be compared to the others.

[o.supreme]

because the sheer volume of "What is happening? Why is this happening? How did everything get to this point? Please explain

Just wanted to add, YES This sums up exactly what I was feeling, It was almost like Oghra from the Dark Crystal was in the back of my head "QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS TOO MANY QUESTIONS!"....and none of them were answered, heck we don't even have a poorly written IDW Prequel or Sequel to fill in the gaps.

I saw the first film in the theater four times, because all my different sets of friends and family wanted to see it with me because I'm *the Transformers guy*...The second film I saw twice (Once in regular and once at a budget theater). The 3rd and 4th films I only saw once each. I've never seen one in 3D, because personally I'm not a fan of the format, and it gives me headaches. I would like to see an XD (non 3D) showing, but the ticket price I just cant seem to justify.

[Sabrblade]

Mainly I wanted to see it in IMAX 3D because of all the hype about how "This film is the only one this summer that was deliberately shot in IMAX 3D and so must be seen in IMAX 3D to get the 'correct' experience."

[SlyTF1]

The deadness inside I think is also a disturbing trend as we both felt it a bit.

That's how I felt after the first 40 minutes or so. I thought the first 40 minutes was probably the greatest thing I had ever seen in my life. I loved how just... cartoony it felt. It actually felt like a Transformers cartoon. But after that, everything fell apart. Which shocked the Hell out of me, because AOE is one of the only movies in the past decade or so that actually made me feel something. Here, it felt like there was just a bunch of random nothingness. It felt like the Marvel movies if they were on crack. I still liked the movie better than any of Marvel's ****, but I expected better after AOE.

[Burn]

Please keep all spoilers in the one thread, and most importantly, OUT OF THE **** THREAD TITLE!

[Prowl4]

where do I begin? I’m just not sure even how to react to this film

I have no idea what to even say about this movie.

Disturbing trend...

Anyway, I was going to ask why you saw it twice, but then I was reminded that I promised to take my son, so at some point I'll be seeing it again as well.

As for Revenge of the Fallen, I watched it again a few months back. If you remove Leo & The Twins, it is actually a pretty decent film...or I am just lowering the bar really really low heh...

Also I forgot to mention, I kept looking at my wife for reactions as she usually at least laughs at some of the humor...there was almost no reaction, except for at a few of Cogmans antics. The deadness inside I think is also a disturbing trend as we both felt it a bit.

I liked the twins. Surprised people don't like them I think they're funny and interesting.

[Sabrblade]

I liked the twins. Surprised people don't like them I think they're funny and interesting.

Ghetto stereotypes offend a lot of people.

[Sabrblade]

According to this interview with Lorenzo di Bonaventura, Quintessa didn't mere assume a human form at the film's end, she originally was human!

Also, he briefly knocks on Beast Wars.

[Prowl4]

I liked the twins. Surprised people don't like them I think they're funny and interesting.

Ghetto stereotypes offend a lot of people.

Kinda childish to feel offended by the twins.

[Deadput]

According to this interview with Lorenzo di Bonaventura, Quintessa didn't mere assume a human form at the film's end, she originally was human!

Also, he briefly knocks on Beast Wars.

Ok...wot? What the bloody heck nonsense is this eh?

Even as a fan of these movies and as someone who somehow likes TLK even this is bonkers to me.

Probably Lorenso's idea too since he's the "brains" behind these plots such as TLK's story"

[Va'al]

Fellow Seibertronian Sabrblade has come across a new interview with producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura on Transformers: The Last Knight, where there are more spoilers than a racing car festival. Seriously, the main point of discussion revolves around Quintessa and the post-credits scene in the fifth movie, so if you have not seen the film and do not want anything ruined for you, do not read further!

The producer, talking to Comicbook.com, had some very interesting teasers to introduce when talking about the origin of the creators and of Quintessa specifically.

The premise of who and what Quintessa is seems pretty straight forward throughout most of The Last Knight's story; however, the Transformers 5 post-credit scene throws a big twist about Quintessa's character into the mix.

Read on to see what Transformers movie producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura revealed about that the big twist in Quintessa's character - and the massive implications it could have for the franchise mythos, going forward.

As di Bonaventura goes on to say in the video found here, her story might have big ramifications for the franchise as Paramount expands its territory in future movies. Read on below, check out the video, and let us know what you think in our Spoiler thread inside!

When asked what significance the big reveal in The Last Knight's post-credit scene will have on the next Transformers movie, di Bonaventura had the following tease:

"You never know, that's part of what the discovery is gonna be. But actually, if you look at the mythology, the mythology of The Quintessa is that she very well and was probably human. So when you go back in time and go through that 6 billion years of mythology, there's certainly a current of thought within it that says she was a human character and perhaps was actually the first one who built the Transformers. So ironically, if that's accurate, then humans built Transformers."