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After reading what he said it sounds very close to rise of apocalypse book he was Egyptian human who turned into first mutant


https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Apocalypse-X-Men-Terry-Kavanagh/dp/0785105867/ref=sr_1_53?ie=UTF8&qid=1498781977&sr=8-53&keywords=Xmen+apocalypse+book

Yep. Just keep piling on the stupid. That'll help.


What does he say about beast wars? My phone won't play the video.

Insurgent wrote:What does he say about beast wars? My phone won't play the video.

He doesn't "get" Beast Wars. The idea of robots turning into animals is a concept his mind can't grasp an understanding of, despite his having been A-OK with the Dinobots being a thing.

So do we really need more proof that this franchise needs a reboot? It seems like the writers just keep coming up with dumber & dumber ideas as the franchise continues.

Wait, I thought Quintessa was the "Great Deceiver" and not one of the actual Creators as seen in AoE.

Possibly the creators we saw in AOE could have been Quintessa in a stage between cybertonian and human

By the way, to all of you here who insisted that we wait for the movie to see what explanation it would give for Bumblebee's self-reconstruction ability, how's that crow tasting for ya?

Sabrblade wrote:By the way, to all of you here who insisted that we wait for the movie to see what explanation it would give for Bumblebee's self-reconstruction ability, how's that crow tasting for ya?

You don't have to be this mean, you do know that, right?

Sabrblade wrote:By the way, to all of you here who insisted that we wait for the movie to see what explanation it would give for Bumblebee's self-reconstruction ability, how's that crow tasting for ya?

It was a guess like any other either they were right or they were wrong and same with people who said it wouldn't be explained those guys just so happened to be on the right side of the coin for this particuler situation.

That's what happens when people are speculating and over hyping themselves for something that hasn't been released.

Megatron Wolf wrote:So do we really need more proof that this franchise needs a reboot? It seems like the writers just keep coming up with dumber & dumber ideas as the franchise continues.

Transformers itself is a dumb idea and most things in the 33 years of the franchise have been rather dumb but the difference is whether it's enjoyable or not like seriously name one great and deep idea Transformers has had without it being a rip off of another idea.

Go ahead name one...

When was the last time a reboot helped anyways? This is a genuine question because in my opinion reboots are overrated and don't always work because I haven't heard anything recently about it for example Spiderman has been rebooted two times already and it's not exactly helping a reboot is not going to magic the problems away since the most important part is the execution and the smart thinking of the product and heck we don't even need a reboot we could get people to fix the movies kinda like how the Fast and Furious films got saved.

Deadput wrote:Transformers itself is a dumb idea

Please stop saying that. If that were true, no one would have seen any value in conceiving it back in the 1980s and none of us would even be here as we are right now. It obviously isn't a dumb idea as we all like it in some way, shape, or form enough to find merit in the idea, so much that it's had enough success and viability to last over three decades. If it's such an inherently dumb idea, then every one of us must all have been foolish enough to fall for it.

Sabrblade wrote:

Deadput wrote:Transformers itself is a dumb idea

Please stop saying that. If that were true, no one would have seen any value in conceiving it back in the 1980s and none of us would even be here as we are right now. It obviously isn't a dumb idea as we all like it in some way, shape, or form enough to find merit in the idea, so much that it's had enough success and viability to last over three decades. If it's such an inherently dumb idea, then every one of us must all have been foolish enough to fall for it.

I never said Transformers was a bad idea I said it was a dumb idea.

Because it is Transformers has always been a dumb, silly, fun, action packed brand who's main attraction is the Transforming robots fighting a war and their toys not the deep characterization or the grand story. (Has there ever been one outside of some of the comics?)

When has Transformers been great when it's super serious without being dull (TF:P) for the whole story?

Now I see why some staff hate movie season. We got some major assclowns in here.

Whatever.

Deadput wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Deadput wrote:Transformers itself is a dumb idea

Please stop saying that. If that were true, no one would have seen any value in conceiving it back in the 1980s and none of us would even be here as we are right now. It obviously isn't a dumb idea as we all like it in some way, shape, or form enough to find merit in the idea, so much that it's had enough success and viability to last over three decades. If it's such an inherently dumb idea, then every one of us must all have been foolish enough to fall for it.

I never said Transformers was a bad idea I said it was a dumb idea.

"Dumb idea" bears the connotation of "bad idea". If that wasn't your intent, then it's a poor choice of wording.

Deadput wrote:Because it is Transformers has always been a dumb, silly, fun, action packed brand who's main attraction is the Transforming robots fighting a war and their toys not the deep characterization or the grand story. (Has there ever been one outside of some of the comics?)

Beast Machines.

Deadput wrote:When has Transformers been great when it's super serious without being dull (TF:P) for the whole story?

Beast Machines (which also had plenty of humor and levity sprinkled throughout its gravitas).

Sabrblade wrote:"Dumb idea" bears the connotation of "bad idea". If that wasn't your intent, then it's a poor choice of wording.

I do mean dumb as in just "dumb fun" or whatever the term is I'm not exactly the best in grammar and my understanding of many words is not always accurate I'm good at making myself sound smart in conversations even to the contrary.

Sabrblade wrote: Beast Machines.

Never watched that show but I do hear that it was a deep show with all the organic vs machine...too bad it has an aesthetic I can't stand at all besides the Vehicons like it has to look good to me for me to be able to enjoy it which I guess is part of why I tolerate the Bay movies.

But Beast Machines wasn't even popular in our fan base when it first came around at the time. (I don't know for sure I was like 4 or 5 back then)

First off, I will say this... Overall, I enjoy the movies. More than anything it's probably nostalgia and my love of the Transfomers that fuels that enjoyment... It's also that love and nostalgia that fuels my anger and disgust in many instances. I am thankful Michael Bay got this going , but I wish he had left after the first movie... I am so used to carefully constructed narratives (Marvel Cinematic Universe comes to mind ) that make the sins of the Transformers movies all the more apparent.

That being said...I read that little blurb from the interview. UGH what a load of Junkion Excrement!! I totally get wanting to be original and make things "your own," but give me a break. Have these jokers ever watched ANY of the series? Read any of the books? My God, if you have ever read the Covenant of Primus the creation arc in that is phenomenal!!! Why rewrite the Transformers Bible when it's already artfully laid out before you?!?

Of course that same question is what I have been asking since "The Fallen came to Earth 10,000 years ago." Marvel movie makers take inspiration from the comics, make minor changes, add a touch of creativity and make it their own...Everyone else wants to copy what Marvel is doing, why the heck can't they do that ONE LITTLE THING for the Transfomers??

Alas, I hope the Bumblebee movie breaks the mold, since Bay isn't directing and the directors keep talking about going for the 80's feel... We can hope.

So if I understand correctly, this is how the timeline has been changed...

Transformers: Here's some Transformers!
RotF: Oh hey turns out they've been around longer than we thought!
DotM: Oh hey turns out they've been around since at least the sixties, this is crazy!
AoE: Yeah, it's crazy how long they've been around, right?
TLK: Oh hey turns out they've REALLY been around since the dark ages!
TF6: Hey guess what guys now HUMANS have been around longer than we thought and they BUILT Transformers, which makes them both older than we thought!
TF7: Jesus built Grimlock as his personal steed.
TF8: God built Jesus.
TF9: Wheeljack built God.
Bumblebee: Bumblebee built Wheeljack.

Makes sense to me.

I watched the movie fairly recently.

Dear lord, what a mess. I love the movie series but even I can't defend this one. I was hoping after AoE's return to form that this would be the best one yet. Alas, it may be the absolute nadir of quality for these movies.

I'm not gonna write a full review because A: I'm not smart/pretentious enough to be a movie critic and B: I can't be bothered, but I will go over the ups and downs.

The good:

>Cogman was great, if overdone a little. As a sociopathic robo-butler he was superb.
>Seeing the HMS Alliance was great, and the implication it's a female transformer was extra-great. (FWIW it's a fantastic museum, with actual members of the crew as guides.)
>The robot designs were top-notch, even the "recycled" ones.
>MACHO MECH NITRO ZEUS was superb and I want him.
>Anthony Hopkins did the best he could given the material he was given.
>Megatron, despite doing very little, was cool.
>Steve Buscemi!

The bad:

>The Decepticons are criminally wasted. Barricade does nothing and gets punked by Bumblebee AGAIN, Megatron doesn't get to do much, Nitro Zeus is funny but ultimately inconsequential, Berserker isn't even in the movie for more than 10 seconds (why did he get a toy again?), Dreadbot and Onslaught do absolutely nothing and die unceremoniously, Mohawk gets...non-fatally decapitated, and Infernocus does bugger all.
>Hot Rod is annoying. Why is he French? Why does he have that ludicrous head design?
>Speaking of wasted designs, we got a Hawker Hurricane and WW1 Tank transformer...and they don't do ANYTHING of consequence! We didn't even get toys of them!
>Hound doesn't get to do much awesome, which is a shame as he was the best part of AOE.
>Sqweeks, whilst cute, is ultimately unnecessary.
>Dragonstorm would have been awesome if he'd actually done anything at all.
>Merlin, the legendary wisest man in all the world, is portrayed as a drunkard and a moron.
>Vivian is a stereotypical Hollywood English woman, and not a very good one either.
>Whilst it was nice to see the HMS Alliance, it is worth noting that the actual submarine doesn't have windows like that (I'm pretty sure flat square glass windows like those would just implode and shatter at those depths). An autistic nitpick for certain, but eh.
>Cogman, whilst hilarious, was definitely overdone. The gangsta stuff was cringeworthy.
>Dinobabies. WTF?
>The plot is completely nonsensical. Not that we came here for great plot, but this one was reeeeaaaally bad.
>The product placement was really noticeable. Particularly the Chinese car website.

The Ugly:

>Cade is...boring really. He was OK in AOE but he was tiresome in this movie.
>That black dude is really, really annoying. Like, what was he there for? Diversity quotas?
>The kids in the opening were just the worst. They couldn't act and it was obvious they were cast to fill the generic Hollywood kid roles- fat one, hispanic one, black one, white nerdy loser one (because according to hollywood, if you're white and wear glasses and act "nerdy" you have to be a tremendous dork)...

And finally, the absolute mountain of sh!t that eclipsed the sun and turned what could have been a mediocre movie into an astonishingly bad one...

>Izabella. My god, what an unlikeable, irritating, badly acted, jumped up and generally punchable little turd. She spends the whole movie doing one of two things: Being an arrogant and annoying gobsh!te or crying. She's supposed to be "badass" but she simultaneously comes across as a Mary Sue AND a useless burden. She does basically nothing the entire film other than announce to the world that she exists and she wants you to take her seriously...

...Wait a minute, holy crap, she's CW Windblade in human form!

So yeah. Not a good movie. Wait for it to hit clearance on Blu-Ray. Certainly don't make the mistake I did and shell out for Imax. It isn't worth it.

No need to spoiler tag your post in this spoiler thread.

Whoops! I forgot Seibertron doesn't use "shrinkable box" spoilers. Will fix.

Cogman was annyoing as hell, the robots just spewed out some random lines that made no sense whatsoever. Everything about the Transformers seems so messy. Everything from their behaviour to their lines. The only ones I liked in this pile of garbage movie was Barricade. He talked normally and was calm.

Dmhead wrote:Cogman was annyoing as hell, the robots just spewed out some random lines that made no sense whatsoever. Everything about the Transformers seems so messy. Everything from their behaviour to their lines. The only ones I liked in this pile of garbage movie was Barricade. He talked normally and was calm.

What lines didn't make sense?

Deadput wrote:

Dmhead wrote:Cogman was annyoing as hell, the robots just spewed out some random lines that made no sense whatsoever. Everything about the Transformers seems so messy. Everything from their behaviour to their lines. The only ones I liked in this pile of garbage movie was Barricade. He talked normally and was calm.

What lines didn't make sense?

They made no sense because it wasn't structured well. Humans had 80% screentime, while the Transformers had like 10. The rest was action scenes.

Dmhead wrote:They made no sense because it wasn't structured well. Humans had 80% screentime, while the Transformers had like 10. The rest was action scenes.

So how does that make them nonsensical? And what does robot screentime have to do with it? They actually had plenty of screentime in the movie it's just that most of said screnntime isn't all that meaningful.


(Anyways there will most likely not be any Transformers films with more then 30 percent screentime anytime soon but perhaps 15 years from now when technology advances more)

Sabrblade wrote:

Insurgent wrote:What does he say about beast wars? My phone won't play the video.

He doesn't "get" Beast Wars. The idea of robots turning into animals is a concept his mind can't grasp an understanding of, despite his having been A-OK with the Dinobots being a thing.

But... that's a stupid thing to say when you have animal transformers in every single movie to date. Including this very one.


As for the robot screen time, film them in vehicle mode because they are being in disguise but allow them to talk in vehicle mode and place them on set like they are looking at each other and the humans they are talkign to. That'll save time. It irks me when I see them in vehicle modes lined up like they are just normal vehicles that have been parked. And a friend pointed out this is the first time we see an Autobot talk in vehicle mode (any transformer if you don't count the Decepticon mobilisation scene in the first film).


At first, I thought the hand from AOE could have been Quintessa pre robotic, but the shape doesn't match at all. So she must have got a completely new hand design when she roboticised if it is her. I hope it isn't. Give us some good from this flaming pile.

Huh. My sig appears to have broken. I'll have to fix that eventually.