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primalxconvoy wrote:BTW, I was watching a British youtuber (not PvP), who does videogame vids (possibly "Nostalgia Nerd"?) and he showed some promotional stuff for "Heroquest" (part of a Hasbro kickstarter) and he had a card from them that basically had a script for Youtubers, which he had to say, almost verbatim, to the lines of "This is an officially sponsored product, sent by Hasbro...etc". That's why I don't for a second believe any of these Youtubers with TFs before anyone else, are officially condoned or supported by Hastak.

Toy Galaxy did a video of the same one I'm guess. And yeah, that has always been a mandate of Hasbro's. When I used to write Transformers reviews for another site there was always a letter in the box from Hasbro that outlined any key points that needed to be mentioned (back then it was May Mayhem and SDCC exclusives) which is why I've never once bought the line about them being officially sponsored reviews that didn't need to mention Hasbro. Yeah right. Recently I've even noticed something new (or at least that I haven't seen before) on some Walmart reviews:



If that's being attached to reviews done by nobodies Hasbro gave Netflix figures to on Walmart.com then they're definitely going to expect a mention from YouTube influencers.

Emerje

Yes. Someone was defending PVP at Facebook, and another poster showed a similar disclaimer that (they received?) from Mattel.

No one considered that some online retailers may just don't care about the official release date and simply send figures to their customers early?

-Kanrabat- wrote:No one considered that some online retailers may just don't care about the official release date and simply send figures to their customers early?

Exactly, In Demand Toys does this. Honesty I don't know why we're discussing it as it matter not a single jot. They review toys and it's down to us if we watch reviews or if we don't watch them. That's the binary choice at the end of the day.

Besides which it also wouldn't surprise me one bit if there was some under the table dealing going on to get around youtubes rules on product placement. I mean, look at it this way, Hasbro don't seem to care about early reviews otherwise they'd have done something about it. Heck they didn't seem to care that T-Wrecks got leaked, reviewed and then officially released without an official reveal from hasbro?

primalxconvoy wrote:I wish Hasbro would clamp down on these Youtubers with some takedowns

There are people on Youtube that call them out constantly and nothing seemingly happens. I am curious, since I know you have expressed your fervor on this issue before, what has Hasbro or TT response been to you (if any) when you contacted them? I'd be curious to know.

There are some people that feel *any* promotion is good promotion. At the last FFF. The presenters at Hasbro made some snarky comments about early reviews of TF product, but that was about it. Perhaps they know there isn't much that can be done?

ZeroWolf wrote:They review toys and it's down to us if we watch reviews or if we don't watch them. That's the binary choice at the end of the day.

Agreed 100%

I think the main point is that some people are just JEALOUS of the early birds.

Now I wish this discussion won't happen every single times an early review is published.

-Kanrabat- wrote:I think the main point is that some people are just JEALOUS of the early birds.

Now I wish this discussion won't happen every single times an early review is published.

I'll join you in that hot drink

Now back on topic, with regards to the Sweeps was there any difference between them and Scourge in the cartoons? Errors or otherwise?

I looked at some various images, and they're all really pretty similar...
This is one of those rare cases where if Hastak decides to do something to give them a slightly different appearance-- obviously an slightly different face sculpt, a slightly lighter or darker main color-- I'd be more than okay with that.
Honestly if the only difference is the face sculpt, I may stick with the two that I have on preorder from Amazon, but there's more of a chance that I'd only end up getting one.

ZeroWolf wrote:Now back on topic, with regards to the Sweeps was there any difference between them and Scourge in the cartoons? Errors or otherwise?

Nope. Identical to Scourge.

It's been a while since I've seen it, but the platinum 3 pack that had reissues of the original Cyclonus and Scourge, also came with a Sweep. How did they differentiate it from Scourge?

Edit... Nevermind, they were universe repaints...I thought they were original reissues for some reason. Oh well

Couldn't find anything about that but the Takara Legends Sharkticon came with a Sweeps titanmaster and the mustache is flipped.

o.supreme wrote:It's been a while since I've seen it, but the platinum 3 pack that had reissues of the original Cyclonus and Scourge, also came with a Sweep. How did they differentiate it from Scourge?

Edit... Nevermind, they were universe repaints...I thought they were original reissues for some reason. Oh well

Man that would have been an incredible pack!

And @Aronjlove, in the platinum 3 pack, the sweep was a new head that has no facial hair.

Well, fingers crossed it's something more substantial than just the face sculpt...
At the same time if they're going for movie accuracy then it may not be any drastic change.
Just thinking that's another $60 for a couple figures that may look almost exactly like Scourge...
I'm really anxious to see this figure now!

They might use this as an opertunity to do a gentle retcon of the Sweeps and maybe mix up the shades of blue and grey on the body and toss in a head that's more distinct from Scourge

Unfortunately I see this as a no win situation for Hasbro. In TF:TM, and the Animated Series The Sweeps were identical to Scourge in every physical way (as others have stated). The Actor (Stan Jones), might vary his performance a little to give them different voices, or occasionally perhaps a different actor was used (Did he Influence Dee Bradley Baker and all his Star wars Clones voices ) If you make a straight up Scourge toy, and just change the packaging to "Sweep", this would be screen accurate, however you get fans declaring this as the laziest thing ever, since there was no change. However, if you DO change something (coloration, face sculpt etc...), Then it is no longer Screen accurate. Unlike the Junkions that have many variants, I honestly feel sorry for Hasbro on this one, I don't know how they are going to pull it off.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:Review for SS86 Wreck Gar is up! By kremzeek reviews
https://youtu.be/x-p-7lXLxe4

When Wreck-Gar is dancing with Hot Rod in the movie, they are the same size. This figure is a bit too big. It's bigger than Springer too.

But that won't stop me from getting him.

In the scenes with Springer, he was the same size as Springer. On the show, he was the same size as Rodimus/Magnus/etc.

o.supreme wrote:Unfortunately I see this as a no win situation for Hasbro. In TF:TM, and the Animated Series The Sweeps were identical to Scourge in every physical way (as others have stated). The Actor (Stan Jones), might vary his performance a little to give them different voices, or occasionally perhaps a different actor was used (Did he Influence Dee Bradley Baker and all his Star wars Clones voices ) If you make a straight up Scourge toy, and just change the packaging to "Sweep", this would be screen accurate, however you get fans declaring this as the laziest thing ever, since there was no change. However, if you DO change something (coloration, face sculpt etc...), Then it is no longer Screen accurate. Unlike the Junkions that have many variants, I honestly feel sorry for Hasbro on this one, I don't know how they are going to pull it off.

I think it's a very easy decision. Screen accuracy is the goal here, regardless of how it's achieved. Fans who complain that it's lazy can stick it up their tailpipes.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Unfortunately I see this as a no win situation for Hasbro. In TF:TM, and the Animated Series The Sweeps were identical to Scourge in every physical way (as others have stated). The Actor (Stan Jones), might vary his performance a little to give them different voices, or occasionally perhaps a different actor was used (Did he Influence Dee Bradley Baker and all his Star wars Clones voices ) If you make a straight up Scourge toy, and just change the packaging to "Sweep", this would be screen accurate, however you get fans declaring this as the laziest thing ever, since there was no change. However, if you DO change something (coloration, face sculpt etc...), Then it is no longer Screen accurate. Unlike the Junkions that have many variants, I honestly feel sorry for Hasbro on this one, I don't know how they are going to pull it off.

I think it's a very easy decision. Screen accuracy is the goal here, regardless of how it's achieved. Fans who complain that it's lazy can stick it up their tailpipes.

And they could just buy multiple Scourges to achieve they animation accuracy.
I think the Sweeps should be different, maybe they could have more whites similar to the Generations Scourge? Maybe some energon whips cast in rubbery plastic instead of the blast effect?

Nuclearxpotato wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Unfortunately I see this as a no win situation for Hasbro. In TF:TM, and the Animated Series The Sweeps were identical to Scourge in every physical way (as others have stated). The Actor (Stan Jones), might vary his performance a little to give them different voices, or occasionally perhaps a different actor was used (Did he Influence Dee Bradley Baker and all his Star wars Clones voices ) If you make a straight up Scourge toy, and just change the packaging to "Sweep", this would be screen accurate, however you get fans declaring this as the laziest thing ever, since there was no change. However, if you DO change something (coloration, face sculpt etc...), Then it is no longer Screen accurate. Unlike the Junkions that have many variants, I honestly feel sorry for Hasbro on this one, I don't know how they are going to pull it off.

I think it's a very easy decision. Screen accuracy is the goal here, regardless of how it's achieved. Fans who complain that it's lazy can stick it up their tailpipes.

And they could just buy multiple Scourges to achieve they animation accuracy.
I think the Sweeps should be different, maybe they could have more whites similar to the Generations Scourge? Maybe some energon whips cast in rubbery plastic instead of the blast effect?

That's what I did. In fact, when I see the Sweep, depending on what it looks like THAT might become Scourge and Scourge might become the Sweeps!

With Sweeps looking so similar to Scourge, maybe retooling the face is enough, and shouldn't be seen as lazy.
While I said I'd be okay with a slightly different color, it would need to be subtle.
I'd keep the gray the same (especially since that's also used in the face) and make the blue just a little darker.

I know Amazon's preorder release dates always seem late, but with the one for Sweeps being November 3rd, I wonder how long it will be before any images/videos leak.

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:It's been a while since I've seen it, but the platinum 3 pack that had reissues of the original Cyclonus and Scourge, also came with a Sweep. How did they differentiate it from Scourge?

Edit... Nevermind, they were universe repaints...I thought they were original reissues for some reason. Oh well

Man that would have been an incredible pack!

And @Aronjlove, in the platinum 3 pack, the sweep was a new head that has no facial hair.

... which was actually originally designed as Devcon.

SS Sweep will probably be identical to SS Scourge, with some paint apps switched around... based on a different color model. Calling that right now!

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:SS Sweep will probably be identical to SS Scourge, with some paint apps switched around... based on a different color model. Calling that right now!

I hope you’re right... I like Scourge’s face sculpt enough that I wouldn’t even care if that wasn’t changed.
BUT, this is a prefect opportunity for Hastak to make almost zero changes just because these guys are pretty much identical...
So I wouldn’t doubt if the face sculpt is THE only change...
Heck, I saw one character model where the fingers/claws were all completely just the gray color.
I get lots of people would complain about this...
I just wouldn’t be shocked if something like this happened;
New face sculpt, no color changes, & even a little less painted detail.
Not to mention, Sweeps is by no means a main character...
Again, people may not like that, but that’s a fact that Hastak may literally bank on.

Providing minimal changes for the Sweeps might also just be a smart move since Scourge was short packed in the wave with Hot Rod. The sweeps can simply/easily be Scourge for anyone who missed out.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:Providing minimal changes for the Sweeps might also just be a smart move since Scourge was short packed in the wave with Hot Rod. The sweeps can simply/easily be Scourge for anyone who missed out.

Good call...
It's almost really repacking Scourge with a few changes to the labeling of the packaging.

I would think we'll get a look at this guy sooner than later.

Did you ever buy a figure on a whim? Well I did recently which was Kingdom Ultra Magnus.

But the 86 Series made me think...are we to expect a UM figure in this line?

I'm sorry if this has already been covered but if we will be getting a figure then I will be returning the Kingdom version, of course if it's over all better than Kingdom UM.

My thanks in advance!