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[Rated X]

Damn....what did I miss?

Suggestion here....

Can the guy (or guys) who speak Japanese translate the damn comic ?

Weather your for against this type of comic (Im all for it) not knowing what they are saying leaves us with nothing to discuss but the artwork.

Shout outs to Counterpunch...we go way back

[steals_your_goats]

Damn....what did I miss?

Suggestion here....

Can the guy (or guys) who speak Japanese translate the damn comic ?

Weather your for against this type of comic (Im all for it) not knowing what they are saying leaves us with nothing to discuss but the artwork.

Shout outs to Counterpunch...we go way back

Tfwiki does a synopsis for each issue. Sabrblade posts then here when they're available

[primalxconvoy]

I always think of these comics when someone pops up and cries that transformers are toys and the target audience is kids, not older collectors. Yeah right...

Different markets. In Japan, only toys backed by a concurrent media are aged 5 and up (like movie toys for example) while toys about G1 lines like MP and Legends are 15 and up. But I dont think that has anything to do with the toys. Its more that Japan thinks toys based on g1 characters wont sell to kids so why bother. More of a marketting thing than about who can actually play with them. And they make more movie toys, which are targetted at kids (looking at age range). Plus Japan is a smidge in terms of global transformers sales.

And none of this means Hasbro isnt selling to kids.

Hasbro has said that most of their sales come from parents buying toys for their kids. RID made most money in 2016, not Combiner Wars/Titans Return. They were quoted saying that. You have no actual evidence to say that Transformers toys are made first and foremost for adults.

Last time I checked, I didnt have to fill out a survey with my age to buy a toy....online or in retail. Mr. Hasbro wasnt waiting at the door with a notepad to see who bought his goods. And I hope theyre not using credit card personal information to make those judgements because I might like to have a word with my bank. I really dont believe Hasbro has a way of gauging the ages of their customers. How do you tell the difference between a parent and an adult collector? (sterotypes aside) As far as I see, to Hasbro a unit sold is a unit sold. Who counts the tens of thousands of MISB figures scalpers have collecting dust on ebay for crazy prices that nobodys buying? As far as Hasbro is concerned, those units have already been sold and some kid is "playing" with them. After years and years of aging G1 collectors bullying Hasbro on forums and Botcon pannels, they are finally giving us what we want. I think the target is definitely older folks these days. Hasbro wont admit it, but Thrilling 30s, combiner wars, titans return, and POTP are all signs that theyre catering to adults and kind of hoping kids roll with it. Unless you believe kids are really interested in watching youtube videos of 30 year old cartoons. Sure theres RID and movie toys. Theyre warming shelves at your local walmart. Dont believe everything Hasbro writes in their reports. And back on topic, I can only say that these comics (I refuse to call them magnas) are a sign that the USA has become way too politically correct. If the Japanese dont mind this kind of stuff, maybe we shouldnt either.

Like I've said before, the Japanese I've spoken with DO mind stuff like this. Japan isn't as different or strange as you might think. Saying that Japan is fine with such media is like saying the USA is fine with guns. It's not that simple and too generalising.

Also, I'm not American.

[Burn]

...I miss all the fun when I sleep.

[Rated X]

I always think of these comics when someone pops up and cries that transformers are toys and the target audience is kids, not older collectors. Yeah right...

Different markets. In Japan, only toys backed by a concurrent media are aged 5 and up (like movie toys for example) while toys about G1 lines like MP and Legends are 15 and up. But I dont think that has anything to do with the toys. Its more that Japan thinks toys based on g1 characters wont sell to kids so why bother. More of a marketting thing than about who can actually play with them. And they make more movie toys, which are targetted at kids (looking at age range). Plus Japan is a smidge in terms of global transformers sales.

And none of this means Hasbro isnt selling to kids.

Hasbro has said that most of their sales come from parents buying toys for their kids. RID made most money in 2016, not Combiner Wars/Titans Return. They were quoted saying that. You have no actual evidence to say that Transformers toys are made first and foremost for adults.

Last time I checked, I didnt have to fill out a survey with my age to buy a toy....online or in retail. Mr. Hasbro wasnt waiting at the door with a notepad to see who bought his goods. And I hope theyre not using credit card personal information to make those judgements because I might like to have a word with my bank. I really dont believe Hasbro has a way of gauging the ages of their customers. How do you tell the difference between a parent and an adult collector? (sterotypes aside) As far as I see, to Hasbro a unit sold is a unit sold. Who counts the tens of thousands of MISB figures scalpers have collecting dust on ebay for crazy prices that nobodys buying? As far as Hasbro is concerned, those units have already been sold and some kid is "playing" with them. After years and years of aging G1 collectors bullying Hasbro on forums and Botcon pannels, they are finally giving us what we want. I think the target is definitely older folks these days. Hasbro wont admit it, but Thrilling 30s, combiner wars, titans return, and POTP are all signs that theyre catering to adults and kind of hoping kids roll with it. Unless you believe kids are really interested in watching youtube videos of 30 year old cartoons. Sure theres RID and movie toys. Theyre warming shelves at your local walmart. Dont believe everything Hasbro writes in their reports. And back on topic, I can only say that these comics (I refuse to call them magnas) are a sign that the USA has become way too politically correct. If the Japanese dont mind this kind of stuff, maybe we shouldnt either.

Like I've said before, the Japanese I've spoken with DO mind stuff like this. Japan isn't as different or strange as you might think. Saying that Japan is fine with such media is like saying the USA is fine with guns. It's not that simple and too generalising.

Well actually the USA is very fine with guns. The NRA buys politicians. What the USA isnt fine with is a transformable robot that turns into a gun. Thats a bad bad bad bad thing in the USA.

And unless youve talked to Japanese people all over the country by the hundreds youre "research" is just as much a generalization as any of ours. I hope you dont walk around with a Takara comic in your pocket asking random strangers what they think of it. That would be creepy (no offense) But obviously the people you talk to arent having any impact on Takaras sales. At the end of the day people speak with their wallets. And judging by the continuing comics it looks like the pervs are winning.

[primalxconvoy]

Well actually the USA is very fine with guns. The NRA buys politicians. What the USA isnt fine with is a transformable robot that turns into a gun. Thats a bad bad bad bad thing in the USA.

No. It's not correct to say America is fine with guns. That would suggest everyone is fine about them and that's not true. It would be ignorant and inaccurate to suggest that all Americans like guns. It's a polarising issue in the usa and so too is the type of content in these comics.

...And unless youve talked to Japanese people all over the country by the hundreds youre "research" is just as much a generalization as any of ours.

Like I've stated before, I acknowledge that my conversations with Japanese people are not conclusive, but until I see any evidence from you or anyone else, I'd say that in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

I actually live here, speak some of the language, and have had similar conversations with many people over my years in Japan. I'd say that gave me a more accurate insight towards Japanese culture than those who have not lived in Japan.

I hope you dont walk around with a Takara comic asking random strangers what they think of it. That would be creepy (no offense)...

Actually, I did use the comics to gauge reactions from some Japanese people I know. I did so without telling them my views but I told them the comics came with Transformers toys, for context.

As for asking Japanese strangers what they think about things like this, there is someone who does just that:

- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZahxIvEBw74

- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wIvQKGaKItE

- https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=163s&v=jSbp_4azWlo

- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fcqxH6hdOUw

(The views in these videos may not actually reflect my own, but it's interesting to see more opinions from Japanese people, right?)

But obviously the people you talk to arent having any impact on Takaras sales. At the end of the day people speak with their wallets. And judging by the continuing comics it looks like the pervs are winning.

Where is your evidence to support this? Do you have sales figures? Just because things are available to sell doesn't mean that they are selling well. Why has Takara moved from selling TFs in shops, to a more online, collector orientated aimed at the 15+ market? Could it be due to the shrinking population and the less popular position Transformers have in Japan compared to other brands? Why has Takara not continued this supposedly popular line for POTP? Why have MP figures become more expensive? Is it partly due to a shrinking market and increased price to produce them?


NOTE: - Edited for clarity and to not double post.

[Burn]

Guys, knock if off for a little bit. Even better, keep it strictly about the comics for a little while, lets ease of the discussion about who it's aimed at, whether it's acceptable or not etc etc, because staff are getting tired of having to deal with reported posts.

If you can't do that, then we have two choices.
• The thread gets temporarily locked.
• Some of you get a temporary time out.

[primalxconvoy]

Guys, knock if off for a little bit. Even better, keep it strictly about the comics for a little while, lets ease of the discussion about who it's aimed at, whether it's acceptable or not etc etc, because staff are getting tired of having to deal with reported posts.

If you can't do that, then we have two choices.
• The thread gets temporarily locked.
• Some of you get a temporary time out.

Burn, you've got a good point there. I'll ease up a bit. However, it's inevitable that this will be discussed, as it's continually included in these comics. If it wasn't included, then there would be less discussion about it and more focus on other aspects of it.

[Albatross250]

i can't wait what blitzwing's job will be?
i think a Football player

[Jelze Bunnycat]

i can't wait what blitzwing's job will be?
i think a Football player

More like a coach, as the second part of Triple Takeover.

[Emerje]

And suddenly thousands of Transformers fans have been exposed to the world of Japanese gravure modeling. It's about as much porn as a girl twerking in any given rap video and just as mainstream. Think of it like Playboy with (skimpy) clothes on, you can buy the stuff just about anywhere that sells magazines.

North America has the same thing. Its called Glamour Modelling and you can find it in magazines like Maxim, Summum and others depending on your area. They are sold in any convenience store that has magazines. They are simply men's magazines and north america has its own glamour modeling icons. So nothing really new but definitely not the same as a rap video. In a rap video, the main part of it is the music/song. The singer is what sells the video (whether they are present in it or not), but in glamour modelling its all about the woman. She is on the front cover. So its different. And while a 10 year old can watch MTV, they cant buy a men's magazine.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on the music video thing. I think Emerje had it exactly right, music videos are a good comparison to these comics for the very reasons you said they weren't. In a music video the main draw is the artist and the explicit content just happens to be in it. That's the same as these comics. The main draw is there fact that they're Transformers comics and the (arguably) explicit content just happens to be in it.

I did not say these comics are dissimilar to rap videos. I said Gravure_idols/ glamour magazines are disimilar to rap videos. Emerje was doing a comparison between gravue idols and girls twirking in rap videos. And this is what I was responding to. Not the comics.

That's actually not what I was doing. I wasn't comparing the two, I was saying that one was about as much porn as the other, basically I just named the first thing that came to mind that was mainstream and easily accessible that featured scantily clad girls without being outright "porn". That was the only comparison I made.

And really, it's all a little silly when you stop and remember Transformers don't wear clothes. Sure, they were being suggestive, but she didn't become more naked in doing so.

(And why was my original post deleted, there was nothing inappropriate posted in there?)

Emerje

[Counterpunch]

Stay on-topic regarding the comic. Save the over-generalized cultural discussion and speaking for entire ethno-national people for somewhere that is very much not here.

Final reminder.

[Sabrblade]

Summary for the Late Xmas Present Chapter:

Foreseeing the return of Overlord in the Legends World, Ginrai goes back to his own world and visits the Second Army headquarters in G Nebula 89, where he has Perceptor upgrade Godbomber's armor. As he's leaving, Perceptor entrusts him with the Haywire Laser, modified at the request of White Leo: transporting it to Beast from the nebula puts it at risk of being stolen by the Decepticons, so he asks Ginrai to send it via a Legends portal instead. Ginrai returns to his job at Blurr's transport company, where things are incredibly busy at the end of the year, but when he opens his trailer to show his boss the Haywire Laser, they instead find White Lune sleeping there. A confused Blurr calls up Perceptor who explains that the gun is White Lune, now equipped with Master-Braces for transforming at will, but during the explanation she wanders off, scratching Ginrai's face when he tries to stop her. Seeing as he's still supposed to be delivering her, Blurr panics and puts up "lost cat" posters before visiting the police for help. There he encounters Hot Rod, who immediately recognizes his unique speech pattern, but instead of the berating he's expecting for abandoning his friend ten years earlier, Blurr is greeted with a happy reunion... one that unfortunately distracts the police from Scourge's Sweeps stealing Blowpipe!

Having overheard Blurr talking about the power of the Haywire Laser, the Sweeps plan to take it for themselves by using Blowpipe on Sweep No. 7, creating a clone army that begins searching the city for White Lune. In the meantime she's discovered by Sue and brought to Kup's place, but before they can discuss whether or not to keep her as a pet, the Sweeps show up and Kup tells Sue to take the lion girl to safety while he holds them at bay. As they run, White Lune laments that this is all happening because she ran away on a selfish whim, having always wanted to explore a world other than Beast. Sue responds that she's also a runaway staying in this world and convinces her everything will be fine if they just return to Blurr together. Since they can't pin down the fleeing White Lune, the Sweeps think of a plan to incapacitate her by unleashing silver vine smoke that has an intoxicating effect on cat-type beasts all over the city (one of which is Tigatron, whose new buddy Octane just notes that he'd much rather see a cute robot girl get drunk). Scourge and the Sweeps locate White Lune, but as they try to capture her, Blurr comes to the rescue and she transforms into the Haywire Laser for him to wield. Sue wants to help and calls for Kup, who runs into Hot Rod and much like Blurr expects him to be mad, but again Hot Rod is only happy to see him again. Joined by Blurr's part-timers Shūta and Wheelie, Hot Rod, Blurr, Kup and their Targetmasters make short work of the Sweep clone army.

In the aftermath, White Lune gets a job at Blurr's transport company and the Sweeps are made by Megatron to hand out gifts to children. One of them is Lio Junior who goes home to show his dad the Transformers toy he got, but the nearby Leo Prime is distracted by feeling that the Zamojin are coming back...

[ZeroWolf]

Despite other problematic panels here and there, is the only way to get these through the legends instructions or have they released them collected in tankabon format?

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Despite other problematic panels here and there, is the only way to get these through the legends instructions or have they released them collected in tankabon format?

I don't think they'll be released outside of the Instructions and TakaraTomy website, as the Kre-O mangas haven't been compiled in tankobon format either.

If anyone's confused about "silver vine":

Actinidia polygama on Wikipedia

Also known as matatabi, it has roughly the same effects as catnip only more intense.

[Cyberpath]

LG60 pack-in manga --

















Source: Loopaza Mega Store

[Va'al]

Via the Facebook page for Loopaza Mega Store, a regular source for news, and fellow Seibertronian Cyberpath, we have the pack-in comic accompanying the recently released Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG60 Overlord! And there's no unnecessary artwork, aside from some potential cheesecake about Mega (though true to previous incarnation of her design)!

The comic, mirrored below, also appears to show not only Megajet and Gigatank - as Mega and Giga lure the Masterforce characters into a culinary trap - but also a second Overlord (so you can have Mega Overlord and Giga Overlord, apparently) and ...a combined mode for two Overlords? It is unclear if this is something the figures can do, or purely for the fiction, but take a look below and join the discussion in the Energon Pub!

[ZeroWolf]

The idea of the female overlord is a clever use of the more idw face, and I love the idea of the combined mode even if it's not possible (wonder if people will try it if they have Hasbro overlord)

[primalxconvoy]

Via the Facebook page for Loopaza Mega Store, a regular source for news, and fellow Seibertronian Cyberpath, we have the pack-in comic accompanying the recently released Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG60 Overlord! And there's no unnecessary artwork, aside from some potential cheesecake about Mega (though true to previous incarnation of her design)!

Vaal, you're absolutely right! There's not a hint of unwell maternal copulation in this comic. Let's hope the other comics can keep this up!

Here's a comparison between the recent comic, and the original depiction (of an actual ADULT, no less).



Anyway, how did the poster get this so fast? My Amazon order isn't even scheduled for delivery yet.

[Burn]

Anyway, how did the poster get this so fast? My Amazon order isn't even scheduled for delivery yet.

HLJ processed my order today, so I would imagine he's been out in Japan stores for a few hours now.

[SpikeyTigertron]

Wonder if this is a hint we'll get Firegut(s) Ginrai... that or nucleon quest would be fun to do with the box set edition.

[primalxconvoy]

Anyway, how did the poster get this so fast? My Amazon order isn't even scheduled for delivery yet.

HLJ processed my order today, so I would imagine he's been out in Japan stores for a few hours now.

Could be wrong here, but I THINK Amazon gets them before they're in shops? Especially as the Legends line isn't really out in most shops.

[Va'al]

Loopaza Mega Store is a toy shop, based in Hong Kong. They definitely have stock before (some) other retailers.

[primalxconvoy]

Loopaza Mega Store is a toy shop, based in Hong Kong. They definitely have stock before (some) other retailers.

Could be because they were made in Hong Kong?

My order, sold by Amazon Japan itself (not via Amiami, as I'm oft to do at Amazon) won't be delivered until tomorrow at the earliest.



Maybe the pics were by a shop owner who had opened some stock?

[Va'al]

The images are from the shop - Loopaza - itself. We have already newsed images of the toys being opened, I'm not sure why this conversation is happening, to be honest.