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[steals_your_goats]

Tokyo Toy Show 2017 had their Takara Transformers presentation and while it had official images for many revealed toys, it ended with silhouettes of toys planned to come out later. Taabou's Toybox live tweeted the event and said that the silouettes were of the following toys:

Perceptor
Bumblebee
Topspin
Overlord
Seaspray
Slugslinger

They also stated that it seemed like Perceptor and Topsin came with the titan amster drones rather than targetmasters, while Bumblebee and Seaspray came with Headmasters (aka Titan Masters).

Good to have confirmation that Takara is doing these guys. Since I haven't found Topspin or Perceptor yet I'll just wait and see what Takara will do. I'm glad they're coming with Titan master drones instead of targetmasters though. While I love the targetmasters the inclusion of them takes away the figures original weapons. So Perceptor should still have his sniper and Topspin should still have his handguns.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

So it looks like Doublecross' targetmaster is based on Haywire? Am I correct in saying that? Which means that Fracas and nightstick are still left to do from the non original targetmasters that became targetmasters right?

He is indeed based on Haywire, but Firebolt and Recoil are not based on their G1 counterparts. Rather, they're seemingly based on Fracas and Peacemaker. Go check it!

That was probably done since Firedrive and Flintlock already resemble Firebolt and Recoil.

[Relic0037]

Seems so often to me that Takara's paint jobs are usually enough for me to wait for & pass on the Hasbro versions.

[Kurona]

So it looks like Doublecross' targetmaster is based on Haywire? Am I correct in saying that? Which means that Fracas and nightstick are still left to do from the non original targetmasters that became targetmasters right?

He is indeed based on Haywire, but Firebolt and Recoil are not based on their G1 counterparts. Rather, they're seemingly based on Fracas and Peacemaker. Go check it!

That was probably done since Firedrive and Flintlock already resemble Firebolt and Recoil.

Peacemaker? Man, I hope that doesn't hint at Pointblank not happening... or maybe this is proof of him happening, with his Titan Master resembling Peacemaker and hence Takara decided to give him Firebolt instead? Puts a hole in my 'pointblank is a retool of hot rod' theory...

[Relic0037]

Putting aside Titan Masters, recolours and obvious-pretools-not-meant-for-the-character like Sentinel and Sky Shadow; that just leaves Twin Twist, Windblade, Octone and Blitzwing - at least, of the TR stuff revealed so far.

They'll do Black Shadow. Retool or not he's unique enough and he's one of Japan's babies.

You can never be sure with Takara. Liokaiser was a G1 original of theirs & it looks like they passed on doing a version of him.

[steals_your_goats]

So it looks like Doublecross' targetmaster is based on Haywire? Am I correct in saying that? Which means that Fracas and nightstick are still left to do from the non original targetmasters that became targetmasters right?

He is indeed based on Haywire, but Firebolt and Recoil are not based on their G1 counterparts. Rather, they're seemingly based on Fracas and Peacemaker. Go check it!

That was probably done since Firedrive and Flintlock already resemble Firebolt and Recoil.

Peacemaker? Man, I hope that doesn't hint at Pointblank not happening... or maybe this is proof of him happening, with his Titan Master resembling Peacemaker and hence Takara decided to give him Firebolt instead? Puts a hole in my 'pointblank is a retool of hot rod' theory...

I still think pointblank will happen but it does raise the question as to why Takara didn't just give Kup and Rodimus their proper targetmasters in the first place

[Randomhero]

Putting aside Titan Masters, recolours and obvious-pretools-not-meant-for-the-character like Sentinel and Sky Shadow; that just leaves Twin Twist, Windblade, Octone and Blitzwing - at least, of the TR stuff revealed so far.

They'll do Black Shadow. Retool or not he's unique enough and he's one of Japan's babies.

You can never be sure with Takara. Liokaiser was a G1 original of theirs & it looks like they passed on doing a version of him.

What are you talking about they made an ehobby exclusive out of the alpha Trump mold

[Randomhero]

I am so bummed Takara is not using the headmaster that looks like Jack for sixshot.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

So it looks like Doublecross' targetmaster is based on Haywire? Am I correct in saying that? Which means that Fracas and nightstick are still left to do from the non original targetmasters that became targetmasters right?

He is indeed based on Haywire, but Firebolt and Recoil are not based on their G1 counterparts. Rather, they're seemingly based on Fracas and Peacemaker. Go check it!

That was probably done since Firedrive and Flintlock already resemble Firebolt and Recoil.

Peacemaker? Man, I hope that doesn't hint at Pointblank not happening... or maybe this is proof of him happening, with his Titan Master resembling Peacemaker and hence Takara decided to give him Firebolt instead? Puts a hole in my 'pointblank is a retool of hot rod' theory...

I still think pointblank will happen but it does raise the question as to why Takara didn't just give Kup and Rodimus their proper targetmasters in the first place

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btw Can someone try and do a comparison shot of all the Targetmasters so far?

[steals_your_goats]

So it looks like Doublecross' targetmaster is based on Haywire? Am I correct in saying that? Which means that Fracas and nightstick are still left to do from the non original targetmasters that became targetmasters right?

He is indeed based on Haywire, but Firebolt and Recoil are not based on their G1 counterparts. Rather, they're seemingly based on Fracas and Peacemaker. Go check it!

That was probably done since Firedrive and Flintlock already resemble Firebolt and Recoil.

Peacemaker? Man, I hope that doesn't hint at Pointblank not happening... or maybe this is proof of him happening, with his Titan Master resembling Peacemaker and hence Takara decided to give him Firebolt instead? Puts a hole in my 'pointblank is a retool of hot rod' theory...

I still think pointblank will happen but it does raise the question as to why Takara didn't just give Kup and Rodimus their proper targetmasters in the first place

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btw Can someone try and do a comparison shot of all the Targetmasters so far?

I apparently can't read. Perhaps they'll include Firebolt with pointblank like Kurona said but then that still leaves recoil.

[Kurona]

Putting aside Titan Masters, recolours and obvious-pretools-not-meant-for-the-character like Sentinel and Sky Shadow; that just leaves Twin Twist, Windblade, Octone and Blitzwing - at least, of the TR stuff revealed so far.

They'll do Black Shadow. Retool or not he's unique enough and he's one of Japan's babies.

You can never be sure with Takara. Liokaiser was a G1 original of theirs & it looks like they passed on doing a version of him.

What are you talking about they made an ehobby exclusive out of the alpha Trump mold

That is some very unfortunate autocorrect.

Regardless, they're not talking about Lio Convoy - they're talking about Liokaiser, the Decepticon combiner from Victory which Hasbro made a Platinum boxset out of but Takara didn't bother with.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Perhaps they'll include Firebolt with pointblank like Kurona said but then that still leaves recoil.

Some future figures like Perceptor will probably get Targetmasters as well, so using up all the designs should be easier than you think. Checklist time:

Pinpointer: None
Peacemaker: LG46 Targetmaster Chear / Kup
Spoilsport: None

Firebolt: None
Haywire: LG51 Targetmaster Doublecross / Twinferno
Recoil: None

Aimless: LG52 Targetmaster Misfire
Blowpipe: LG49 Targetmaster Triggerhappy
Caliburst: LG?? Targetmaster Slugslinger

Fracas: LG45 Targetmaster Hot Rodimus
Nightstick: None

[Kurona]

So it looks like Doublecross' targetmaster is based on Haywire? Am I correct in saying that? Which means that Fracas and nightstick are still left to do from the non original targetmasters that became targetmasters right?

He is indeed based on Haywire, but Firebolt and Recoil are not based on their G1 counterparts. Rather, they're seemingly based on Fracas and Peacemaker. Go check it!

That was probably done since Firedrive and Flintlock already resemble Firebolt and Recoil.

Peacemaker? Man, I hope that doesn't hint at Pointblank not happening... or maybe this is proof of him happening, with his Titan Master resembling Peacemaker and hence Takara decided to give him Firebolt instead? Puts a hole in my 'pointblank is a retool of hot rod' theory...

I still think pointblank will happen but it does raise the question as to why Takara didn't just give Kup and Rodimus their proper targetmasters in the first place

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btw Can someone try and do a comparison shot of all the Targetmasters so far?

I apparently can't read. Perhaps they'll include Firebolt with pointblank like Kurona said but then that still leaves recoil.

Aha, that solves it! They'll include Recoil with Pointblank instead, still leaving the possibility of Pointblank being retooled from Hot Rod!

... rest in peace Firebolt.


Also now I know Firebolt doesn't actually come with Hot Rod, I have no reason to want Legends Hot Rod! Yaaaaaaay!

[grimdragon2001]

Perhaps they'll include Firebolt with pointblank like Kurona said but then that still leaves recoil.

Some future figures like Perceptor will probably get Targetmasters as well, so using up all the designs should be easier than you think. Checklist time:

Pinpointer: None
Peacemaker: LG46 Targetmaster Chear / Kup
Spoilsport: None

Firebolt: None
Haywire: LG51 Targetmaster Doublecross / Twinferno
Recoil: None

Aimless: LG52 Targetmaster Misfire
Blowpipe: LG49 Targetmaster Triggerhappy
Caliburst: LG?? Targetmaster Slugslinger

Fracas: LG45 Targetmaster Hot Rodimus
Nightstick: None

you know, that reminds me, I wonder how the new Targetmasters look next to Universe Nightstick

[Kurona]

Full Sixshot headmaster comparison:

[Optimum Supreme]

Doublecross's battle beast head looks nice with the new paint.

[Randomhero]

Putting aside Titan Masters, recolours and obvious-pretools-not-meant-for-the-character like Sentinel and Sky Shadow; that just leaves Twin Twist, Windblade, Octone and Blitzwing - at least, of the TR stuff revealed so far.

They'll do Black Shadow. Retool or not he's unique enough and he's one of Japan's babies.

You can never be sure with Takara. Liokaiser was a G1 original of theirs & it looks like they passed on doing a version of him.

What are you talking about they made an ehobby exclusive out of the alpha Trump mold

That is some very unfortunate autocorrect.

Regardless, they're not talking about Lio Convoy - they're talking about Liokaiser, the Decepticon combiner from Victory which Hasbro made a Platinum boxset out of but Takara didn't bother with.

Derp... too many lio characters. Even so it doesn't mean Takara won't make black shadow. Takara just didn't do liokaizer because they wanted their Combiners to be as faithful as that could and just didn't want to make Jaguar and leozack. They didn't do it. Just like we didn't get Grand Galvatron or ruination.

I still see them making black shadow though. Just later in the line. They're not exactly following the same release trend as Hasbro

[Kurona]

Putting aside Titan Masters, recolours and obvious-pretools-not-meant-for-the-character like Sentinel and Sky Shadow; that just leaves Twin Twist, Windblade, Octone and Blitzwing - at least, of the TR stuff revealed so far.

They'll do Black Shadow. Retool or not he's unique enough and he's one of Japan's babies.

You can never be sure with Takara. Liokaiser was a G1 original of theirs & it looks like they passed on doing a version of him.

What are you talking about they made an ehobby exclusive out of the alpha Trump mold

That is some very unfortunate autocorrect.

Regardless, they're not talking about Lio Convoy - they're talking about Liokaiser, the Decepticon combiner from Victory which Hasbro made a Platinum boxset out of but Takara didn't bother with.

Derp... too many lio characters. Even so it doesn't mean Takara won't make black shadow. Takara just didn't do liokaizer because they wanted their Combiners to be as faithful as that could and just didn't want to make Jaguar and leozack. They didn't do it. Just like we didn't get Grand Galvatron or ruination.

Ah, but wouldn't they want Sky Shadow to be as faithful as could be? That's why it's a little up in the air; same with Megatron.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Ah, but wouldn't they want Sky Shadow to be as faithful as could be? That's why it's a little up in the air; same with Megatron.

Legends Armada Megatron.

[Cyberpath]

btw Can someone try and do a comparison shot of all the Targetmasters so far?

Not enough stock photos for a proper comparison, but they all look impressively different so far.

[Kurona]

Ah, but wouldn't they want Sky Shadow to be as faithful as could be? That's why it's a little up in the air; same with Megatron.

Legends Armada Megatron.

Exactly! Takara has like no pattern to this. Redecoes that do not accurately represent the character WAS the pattern I thought they had... but then they go and do stuff like this

Then again, it's mostly relegated to exclusives rather than the mainline - Armada Megatron, Black Convoy, etc. I personally think they won't do him outside of an exclusive, but who knows?

[Jelze Bunnycat]

btw Can someone try and do a comparison shot of all the Targetmasters so far?

Not enough stock photos for a proper comparison, but they all look impressively different so far.

I could just kiss you now

Looking at them all, they're all different, no retooling. Just one particular set of parts is common between them: the upper legs and the hip joint.

[Cyberpath]

I could just kiss you now

Looking at them all, they're all different, no retooling. Just one particular set of parts is common between them: the upper legs and the hip joint.

Glad you liked it.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

So it looks like Doublecross' targetmaster is based on Haywire? Am I correct in saying that? Which means that Fracas and nightstick are still left to do from the non original targetmasters that became targetmasters right?

He is indeed based on Haywire, but Firebolt and Recoil are not based on their G1 counterparts. Rather, they're seemingly based on Fracas and Peacemaker. Go check it!

That was probably done since Firedrive and Flintlock already resemble Firebolt and Recoil.

I don't think you're quite right there. Based on what I've seen Legends Recoil is at least similar to the G1 version, with the double barrels and all. And, uh, Legends Firebolt being based on Fracas? Where did that come from? The only images I've seen of Legends Firebolt look more like a recolor of Legends Recoil, which is highly different from the single-barreled Fracas.
Speaking of Fracas, his original toy long ago received an update in the form of Universe Nightstick (thanks for getting the character models mixed up, Marvel and Sunbow!).

Legends Roddy might not be coming with a true update of the original Firebolt, but he does make some decided improvements on the orignal Titans Return version: His chest tucks in without the additional fold which I think looks much better. Plus the engine hides in robot mode like it should and has a 5mm port instead of those slits, meaning he has a port that's actually useful for mounting Targetmasters and the weapon modes of the various Titan Master vehicles (the 2 ports ahead of the exhaust pipes are too low to play nice with anything other than the combineable paired guns). This is why I'm interested in seeing him from below in car mode

[Prime Target]

More Legends reveals! i'm surprised that both Misfire and Slugslinger got Legends versions since they are of the same mold that has already got the Legends treatment But i'll take em!

since there are no pics yet i'll just share my thoughts on the my expectations on what these figures will be

Overlord : i'm expecting a Masterforce accurate deco (and maybe his Powermaster partners) but i'm praying to god that we might get an IDW deco I NEED THIS and MMC's Overlord ain't gonna satisfy me for much longer.

Bumblebee : How in the living hell are they gonna make this guy more accurate to the Cartoon he's not a bug in this mold I predict all their gonna do is give him Painted rims and tighter Joints and maybe Emissary repainted as Spike.

Slugslinger : I am so down for a Toon accurate Slugslinger! just please give him a Targetmaster.


Seaspray : Please dear god give him a toon accurate headsculpt!

Perceptor : either an IDW design with the Targeting eye or just a 100% toon accurate retool with a new gun like Kup will suit me fine



Enjoy my money Takara I'm wondering though why Takara hasn't done a Getaway/Breakaway Deco yet