Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

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Re: Takara's Power of the Primes Toys Confirmed as Identical to Hasbro's to "Unifying the World Brands"

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:06 pm

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william-james88 wrote:And Swoop had that cartoon/diaclone accurate chest.
And that's the only thing cartoon-specific about Swoop's deco. The rest of it is toy-specific, making the blue chest stand out against all the deco's non-cartoon aspects, like the black robot helmet.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby shajaki » Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:09 pm

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I'm extremely upset by this. I'm not screaming at the top of a mountain, but I woudln't be surprised if I was the most upset person here.

I like having options. And I hate stickers. Even Reprolabels high quality ones. They're a pain in the ass and there's no comparison to actual paint apps and tampos.

I'm not optimistic about Takara "elevating" the Hasbro products, as thus far I've seen no examples of such. Just straight up copy cat'ing.

Takara, please make me eat my words.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby o.supreme » Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:11 pm

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I own very few PotP so far, because of well..holding out for :TAKARATOMY: , which this news may or may not change depending on the packaging discussion we had above.

But from what I do have...I think Dreadwind is a great toy. Definitely not a lazy retool, it offers more versatility than I thought possible form a mold previously used so often in CW.

I also have the first 3 Prime Masters. while they are fun on a small scale, is it just me, or do the Prime Masters themselves look and feel a bit to be made of a "lower grade" plastic, even a bit lighter than the average Titan Master head? Also you have less detail in a symbol vs. a molded face. Also as many have pointed out, they are held together with a pin rather than a screw...

I just noticed the arms popping off my Micronus very easily, which did not occur with most Titan Masters.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby kurthy » Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:17 pm

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shajaki wrote:I'm extremely upset by this. I'm not screaming at the top of a mountain, but I woudln't be surprised if I was the most upset person here.

I like having options. And I hate stickers. Even Reprolabels high quality ones. They're a pain in the ass and there's no comparison to actual paint apps and tampos.

I'm not optimistic about Takara "elevating" the Hasbro products, as thus far I've seen no examples of such. Just straight up copy cat'ing.

Takara, please make me eat my words.


Thanks for putting my scattered thoughts well. This is the same way I feel. I'm not a fan of stickers, they're always the worst option for deco. And the idea of a company increasing quality without need is laughable. Companies increase quality or decrease their overhead only when sales dictate it.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Black Bumblebee » Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:38 pm

I would be all for this if it meant that everyone was going to get the best deco possible. Alas, I worry that this means that everyone will now get the worse deco possible. If reprolabels was traded on the stock market, I'd be investing in them right about now lol
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Re: Takara's Power of the Primes Toys Confirmed as Identical to Hasbro's to "Unifying the World Brands"

Postby Agamemnon » Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:14 pm

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About all this, I find that POTP is the best example we have an thus I am curious to know what you all think of it. Comparing to previous years, is the deco better than usual? <snip>

This is an excellent question, and as such, I've taken a second long look at the PotP Deluxes. If Dreadwind is an example of what we might see in Takara's influence on Hasbro, then I am optimistic. He appears to have a higher part count than the CW Aerialbots. There appears to be substantially more paint apps. It appears that the Decepticon insignia are all tampos. I think I need to get my CW bots out of storage and try to do a direct comparison to Air Raid and stopp all this "it appears" stuff... :-?
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby DMSL » Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:39 pm

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Very disappointing news, as long as this means the designs are still G1 cartoon inspired and don't include stickers and some nice paint i don't mind it.

If this means a difference between light and day when it comes to the finished products as we have seen with the Titans Return/Legends line i am not too happy about this. In this case i would only welcome this unification if it means Hasbro and Takara are releasing the superior versions. So cartoon accurate paint, no stickers and apropriate accessories. I like How Takara is giving us some extra paint and accessories and hate the lack of when it comes to Hasbro. Just look at the Dinobots, where the heck are all the weapons?
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Flashwave » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:25 pm

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This seems odd to me. On the one hand, Takara is probably saving money by sharing production run costs with Hasbro vs setting up the decos or themselves. But in the other, theyvare losing an unknown part of their market in the collectors who boought their stuff because it was different than Hasbro's. Obviously, they must hink the tradeoff is worth it, but that seems like funny numbers to me.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby kurthy » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:36 pm

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Flashwave wrote:This seems odd to me. On the one hand, Takara is probably saving money by sharing production run costs with Hasbro vs setting up the decos or themselves. But in the other, theyvare losing an unknown part of their market in the collectors who boought their stuff because it was different than Hasbro's. Obviously, they must hink the tradeoff is worth it, but that seems like funny numbers to me.


I'm guessing Takara ran the numbers and found the U.S. collectors market isn't big enough to account for the savings in running the exact same toy as Hasbro.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Epsilon Delta » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:45 pm

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I have absolutely no problem with this as long as they take the higher quality and make that the norm.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Sodan-1 » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:55 pm

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Booooo!! Goodbye painted rims. Goodbye rich and vibrant colours. Goodbye brilliant whites which will yellow over time. Hello whites that are produced yellow in the factory.

Still holding onto the hope that the combiner teams will feature that signature Takara flair (although if it does, there goes the theory that Takara is simply happier with the initial efforts.)

I just hope that a few prominent characters don't get a Takara overhaul as part of some limited edition special series in a couple of years.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Clockwork Animations » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:24 pm

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While I get why they want to "unify the brands" or whatever the frag they're calling it, I just REALLY hope this doesn't become the norm.

Sure, completionists are probably ecstatic over this cuz they don't have to spend so much importing Takara's stuff, and that's cool. But paint decos are REALLY important to me, and while hasbro's are passable, I have to be honest: Most of the time they're s*it. That's why I loved the fact that Takara was doin their own thing, because we got toys that were VASTLY better looking than the Hasbro offerings, with better paint apps aimed at collectors. It gave you options. This just seems like a terrible thing in my eyes, and I really hope this doesn't mark the end of some of the beautiful things we've seen from Takara in the past :BANG_HEAD:
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby fenrir72 » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:16 pm

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Sodan-1 wrote:Booooo!! Goodbye painted rims. Goodbye rich and vibrant colours. Goodbye brilliant whites which will yellow over time. Hello whites that are produced yellow in the factory.

Still holding onto the hope that the combiner teams will feature that signature Takara flair (although if it does, there goes the theory that Takara is simply happier with the initial efforts.)

I just hope that a few prominent characters don't get a Takara overhaul as part of some limited edition special series in a couple of years.



Or the opposite, Takara's paint jobs will be the default. You can always hope.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Emerje » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:03 pm

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What's strange to me is that figures that Hasbro did a really nice job with like the Dinobots and Dreadwing will most likely be painted differently by Takara Tomy (assuming the jets are given proper Hydra and Buster colors and the Dinobots are given a cartoon accurate UW-style box set). Meanwhile the poorly painted Optimus Prime that could have used a ton more paint in his arms and fists is being left unchanged.

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:09 pm

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Emerje wrote:What's strange to me is that figures that Hasbro did a really nice job with like the Dinobots and Dreadwing will most likely be painted differently by Takara Tomy (assuming the jets are given proper Hydra and Buster colors and the Dinobots are given a cartoon accurate UW-style box set). Meanwhile the poorly painted Optimus Prime that could have used a ton more paint in his arms and fists is being left unchanged.

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What makes you think any of those are going to have their decos changed by Takara when all signs given by both this line and this news point to Takara just releasing the exact same unchanged decos as the Hasbro versions in Japan?
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Emerje » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:36 pm

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Emerje wrote:What's strange to me is that figures that Hasbro did a really nice job with like the Dinobots and Dreadwing will most likely be painted differently by Takara Tomy (assuming the jets are given proper Hydra and Buster colors and the Dinobots are given a cartoon accurate UW-style box set). Meanwhile the poorly painted Optimus Prime that could have used a ton more paint in his arms and fists is being left unchanged.

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What makes you think any of those are going to have their decos changed by Takara when all signs given by both this line and this news point to Takara just releasing the exact same unchanged decos as the Hasbro versions in Japan?

Because Dreadwind and Darkwing don't exist in Japan and "Blackwing" isn't part of their first wave, and they appear to be saving the Dinobots as mentioned by Will in the article. Nothing about what Takara Tomy said indicates that absolutely all PotP figures will be sold under that banner. It's hard to believe they'd only have one Deluxe and no Voyagers in their wave 1 if they weren't planning something else for the missing figures.

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:47 pm

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Emerje wrote:Because Dreadwind and Darkwing don't exist in Japan
Neither did a lot of characters that Takara released previously like Straxus, Thunderwing, Drift, Whirl, Roadbuster, the Mini-Con Assault Team, Windblade, Topspin, and Twin Twist (the latter two soon to be released).

Emerje wrote:and "Blackwing" isn't part of their first wave, and they appear to be saving the Dinobots as mentioned by Will in the article. Nothing about what Takara Tomy said indicates that absolutely all PotP figures will be sold under that banner. It's hard to believe they'd only have one Deluxe and no Voyagers in their wave 1 if they weren't planning something else for the missing figures.

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Why couldn't the rest just come later? It's not like Takara strictly adheres to the same wave and size class assortments that Hasbro does.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:07 am

Clockwork Animations wrote:That's why I loved the fact that Takara was doin their own thing, because we got toys that were VASTLY better looking than the Hasbro offerings, with better paint apps aimed at collectors.

I always feel like I should write an editorial about this because it keeps confusing me. Takara has stated at every given opportunity that their target audience is kids, which makes sense since we are talking about toys and Takara Tomy is a company that predominantly makes toys for kids. Their paint apps only reflect what the designers want to be passed on to the new generation. And Hasbro does the exact same thing but in a different perspective.

Why would a toy being so slavish to G1 toy accuracy, like CW Vortex, be any more or less desireable to 30 year old collectors than a toy being so slavish to the G1 show accuracy, like UW Vortex.

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Why would G1 toy accuracy mean kids are marketed while G1 show accuracy mean collectors are marketed? That doesnt make a lick of sense. Both have decos made to attract collectors, based on something only they would know, while also being toys for kids.

The idea of Takara versions being for collectors, over the Hasbro versions, never had any bearings. And this unification is perfect proof of that (along with the fact that they dont even have an english language option on their site to give toy info to international collectors)

DMSL wrote: In this case i would only welcome this unification if it means Hasbro and Takara are releasing the superior versions. So cartoon accurate paint, no stickers and apropriate accessories.


We already know that wont be the case since Takara revealed that their leaders will also have stickers, just like the Hasbro versions.

kurthy wrote:I'm guessing Takara ran the numbers and found the U.S. collectors market isn't big enough to account for the savings in running the exact same toy as Hasbro.


Honestly, if Takara ever cared about anyone outside Japan wanting their toys, they would at least have made their site have an english language option. The truth is they were always focused on just their market when it came to selling. A significant part of Takara's revenue instead, when it comes to Transformers, is Hasbro outsourcing engineering to them since day 1. They also own the toys/molds, hence why every toy is manufactured under license from Takara Tomy.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Emerje » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:19 am

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Emerje wrote:Because Dreadwind and Darkwing don't exist in Japan
Neither did a lot of characters that Takara released previously like Straxus, Thunderwing, Drift, Whirl, Roadbuster, the Mini-Con Assault Team, Windblade, Topspin, and Twin Twist (the latter two soon to be released).

Drift, Windblade and the Mini-Cons were new to us as well so those aren't great examples. Thunderwing is the only odd one out since they chose him over Black Shadow while the rest they've based on Marvel Comics appearances (I'm assuming that's the angle they'll take with the Jumpstarters). I suppose they could use the Marvel comics as reference for Dreadwind and Darkwing as well, but will Japanese fans be satisfied with that, especially with the way Masters are used in Legends? I doubt it.

Emerje wrote:and "Blackwing" isn't part of their first wave, and they appear to be saving the Dinobots as mentioned by Will in the article. Nothing about what Takara Tomy said indicates that absolutely all PotP figures will be sold under that banner. It's hard to believe they'd only have one Deluxe and no Voyagers in their wave 1 if they weren't planning something else for the missing figures.

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Why couldn't the rest just come later? It's not like Takara strictly adheres to the same wave and size class assortments that Hasbro does.

You really don't think it's strange that Takara is going to sell cases that are nothing but Jazz in it for no good reason? I mean, these aren't coming out until May, they could just as easily have included Dreadwind in wave 1 with Blackwing and save the Dinobots for Wave 2 since as you said they don't have to be strictly the same waves as Hasbro's.

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Clockwork Animations » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:51 am

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william-james88 wrote:Why would G1 toy accuracy mean kids are marketed while G1 show accuracy mean collectors are marketed? That doesnt make a lick of sense. Both have decos made to attract collectors, based on something only they would know, while also being toys for kids.

The idea of Takara versions being for collectors, over the Hasbro versions, never had any bearings. And this unification is perfect proof of that.


Yeah, I totally get what you're saying, and I do agree on most points. I just meant that the quality and amount of paint apps on takara's stuff was usually higher than that of Hasbro, making it more appealing to collectors, even though that might not have been what they were going for per se, regardless of the fact that each version, Takara or Hasbro, is made for kids.

Takara just had a way of doing it that evoked a feeling of quality that, when compared to Hasbro's, made our US TFs feel a little cheap to some collectors. And most collectors want to feel as if they are buying high end quality product even though at the end of the day, yes we're debating toys.

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby bacem » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:16 am

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Clockwork Animations wrote:That's why I loved the fact that Takara was doin their own thing, because we got toys that were VASTLY better looking than the Hasbro offerings, with better paint apps aimed at collectors.

I always feel like I should write an editorial about this because it keeps confusing me. Takara has stated at every given opportunity that their target audience is kids, which makes sense since we are talking about toys and Takara Tomy is a company that predominantly makes toys for kids. Their paint apps only reflect what the designers want to be passed on to the new generation. And Hasbro does the exact same thing but in a different perspective.

Why would a toy being so slavish to G1 toy accuracy, like CW Vortex, be any more or less desireable to 30 year old collectors than a toy being so slavish to the G1 show accuracy, like UW Vortex.

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Why would G1 toy accuracy mean kids are marketed while G1 show accuracy mean collectors are marketed? That doesnt make a lick of sense. Both have decos made to attract collectors, based on something only they would know, while also being toys for kids.

The idea of Takara versions being for collectors, over the Hasbro versions, never had any bearings. And this unification is perfect proof of that (along with the fact that they dont even have an english language option on their site to give toy info to international collectors)

DMSL wrote: In this case i would only welcome this unification if it means Hasbro and Takara are releasing the superior versions. So cartoon accurate paint, no stickers and apropriate accessories.


We already know that wont be the case since Takara revealed that their leaders will also have stickers, just like the Hasbro versions.

kurthy wrote:I'm guessing Takara ran the numbers and found the U.S. collectors market isn't big enough to account for the savings in running the exact same toy as Hasbro.


Honestly, if Takara ever cared about anyone outside Japan wanting their toys, they would at least have made their site have an english language option. The truth is they were always focused on just their market when it came to selling. A significant part of Takara's revenue instead, when it comes to Transformers, is Hasbro outsourcing engineering to them since day 1. They also own the toys/molds, hence why every toy is manufactured under license from Takara Tomy.


yup, this really. which is why in most case i only buy hasbro, unless somehow i found takara one on the similiar price or cheaper. for me the takara paintjob is different, not better. that is not to say they are bad, of course, but to me both color are equally good, except they use different homage. therefore, i don't see this move as something dreaded, as i will still just enjoy my hasbro one, like usual.

also, while they say their release will be exactly same as hasbro, i don't think they will get rid of their exclusives. we will still gets e-hobby or TT mall exclusives, so if you still crave for takara superior deco, you still have those as an option.
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Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes in Figure King 239

Postby Va'al » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:16 am

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Courtesy of the Loopaza Megastore Facebook page, we have the scans of the Transformers dedicated pages in the latest issue of Figure King Magazine, issue number 239, and the focus is almost entirely on the Power of the Primes line - which as we have learned this far, is virtually unchanged from the Hasbro releases, and will be so going forward until contradicting news appears - and the various size classes in the line.

Featuring the likes of Leaders Optimus Prime and Rodimus Prime (with Orion Pax and Hot Rod with their evolution gimmicks), Prime Masters and Matrix interactions, plus decoy suits for Liege Maximo, Micronus and Vector Prime, Deluxe class Jazz, and Legend class Slash, Beachcomber and Windcharger. Check them all out below!

Figure King No. 239 Transformers

This month's Figure King of Transformers covering the Power of the Primes series will kick off in Japan in coming May. Overseas fans may be disappointed as this series will be the exactly the same to the US version. Will Takaratomy consider another way to make their own Transformers or just "import" the US version instead in the future? That is nothing for sure right now.


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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:26 am

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They're even keeping all the Hasbro names in Katakana. "Optimus Prime" instead of "Convoy", "Rodimus Prime" instead of "Rodimus Convoy", "Jazz" instead of "Meister", "Skullgrin" instead of "Dauros", "Cloudburst" instead of "Phoenix", "Windcharger" instead of just "Charger", etc.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Emerje » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:52 pm

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Should have just stuck a "USA Edition" sticker on these and called it a day.

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Black Hat » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:00 am

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