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on second thought, im cancelling my preorder, my Magnus is fine

Swindle01 wrote:nice blurred photos with the flash on .....

its not that hard to take a decent high quality picture - flash off - decent light source - macro on - steady focus on

from what i can see of these pics henkei magnus just looks terrible. He looks like some kinda KO the factory couldnt be arsed to finish adding the final paint applications to

The figure is just TOO white and looks unfinished. The classics version just looks miles better than the late henkei version. The white legs the completely white arms...it just looks unfinished. Only thing the henkei one has over the classics one is the blue face plate but again you can fix this yourself by getting the FP city commander stickers from reprolabels

the henkei 1 is way way to late and just doesnt look that good. I cant justify spending cash on this when theres far far superior 3rd party stuff coming out like the ko shadow scythe kit or the new insecticons etc

How about this for justification?

In the Dreamwave G1 continuity, Ultra Magnus shed his armor and looked like a G1 version of this figure. The second Masterpiece figure was a G1 version of this character. In the Binaltech/Alternity version of G1, he also shed his armor in order to use the Matrix of Leadership prior to defeating Unicron... And he also looked like the G1 version of this.

The Alternity version (sold at the Transformers China Carnival, and also by e-HOBBY) was this color scheme. As was the Revoltech variant of Convoy, which was based on the Dreamwave version, was this same color scheme. And all because... You guessed it... The robot that resides underneath the armor is that color scheme.

Here is an example on what I am talking about:


But yeah... If that is not convincing enough, consider the fact that this could result in the making of a new "City Commander" armor set for this figure. I know that there are others out there that are.

Blurrz wrote:blue jeans
white shirt
walked into the room
you know you make my eyes burn

Top tier. :brofist:

kuma its not really the same is it....
I mean in G1 the cab merged into ultra magnus. The cab was just a cab for vehicle mode. The toy was a copy of prime because it was probably easier to do it that way (because originally he was diaclone powered convoy remember) and the MP magnus we got was just a white prime because Takara couldnt be arsed to give us a proper magnus with the armour

I just dont see the point in this henkei release when they KNOW people would rather spend there money on something better such as Hercules or MT devastator or hegemon etc. If takara want my money when it comes to classics etc then there seriously gona need to step up instead of giving me a lame crappy repaint of a figure whos...what? 3+ somert years old now?

I mean jesus christ Hegemon blows the crap outa classics megatron, anyone else notice henkei megatrons price seriously drop since hegemon came out? if a 3rd party company thats smaller than hasbro or takara can do BETTER than hasbro or takara themselves then isnt that kinda saying something?

The thing is, thanks to the different transformation scheme, it is possible to paint the robot like Ultra Magnus' outer armor (only the top chest would have to remain white). Couple that with a new head and this would be a wonderful Ultra Mangnus figure that didn't need add ons.

Here's a beautiful custom someone did. I would import this figure in a minute.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-ima ... ra+Magnus/

Swindle01 wrote:kuma its not really the same is it....
I mean in G1 the cab merged into ultra magnus. The cab was just a cab for vehicle mode. The toy was a copy of prime because it was probably easier to do it that way (because originally he was diaclone powered convoy remember) and the MP magnus we got was just a white prime because Takara couldnt be arsed to give us a proper magnus with the armour

I know. However, when it comes to Ultra Magnus' G1 history, it was very much rumored that he was also reformatted by Alpha Trion. So underneath his armor, he looks like Convoy/Optimus Prime. This was one part of Magnus and Convoy being "brothers."

As for the figures, he was done "sans armor" in 1985 and 1987. Plus, the 2004 Masterpiece was not "half-assed"... But rather a revelation that the designer was more or less inspired by the Dreamwave version of the character. But even then, they have recently announced that another MP version of Ultra Magnus will include his armor.

Swindle01 wrote:I just dont see the point in this henkei release when they KNOW people would rather spend there money on something better such as Hercules or MT devastator or hegemon etc. If takara want my money when it comes to classics etc then there seriously gona need to step up instead of giving me a lame crappy repaint of a figure whos...what? 3+ somert years old now?

You don't see it because you don't want it. You need to remember that your reasons to not get it do not reflect anything beyond that. However, this is an Asian market release. There is no real confirmation if it will be a Henkei! piece... Yet. And even if it is or isn't, it is primarily targeted at those who collect Ultra Magnus figures... As well as any others that want to buy it for their reasons.

Swindle01 wrote:I mean jesus christ Hegemon blows the crap outa classics megatron, anyone else notice henkei megatrons price seriously drop since hegemon came out? if a 3rd party company thats smaller than hasbro or takara can do BETTER than hasbro or takara themselves then isnt that kinda saying something?

Again... Your opinion. So lets use your view on this item with what you praised: "Why would somebody want to buy a third-party product when it contributes nothing to the Transformers fanbase? They are overpriced, and have no real value outside of what these companies are charging. I can buy numerous pieces that will have a higher demand and resale value, and I am also talking about reissues. So why buy third party when I can get the real deal for less?"

Point being is simple: People will buy it to add to their Ultra Magnus collection, to have a Ultra Magnus figure, modifications, in order to use third-party add-ons, to add to their Transformers collection, display pieces, and/or to have an affordable piece to play with.

Classics all the way

The Henkei version is a good alternative for those who where unable to get Classics.

RiddlerJ wrote:The thing is, thanks to the different transformation scheme, it is possible to paint the robot like Ultra Magnus' outer armor (only the top chest would have to remain white). Couple that with a new head and this would be a wonderful Ultra Mangnus figure that didn't need add ons.

Here's a beautiful custom someone did. I would import this figure in a minute.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-ima ... ra+Magnus/

Dude! Love the mod!

Sentinel Maximus wrote:Classics all the way

The Henkei version is a good alternative for those who where unable to get Classics.

^ This. It adds to the many reasons to get this piece.

Meh to this thing. Decided to cancel my preorder and go for Throttlebot Rollbar instead.

Looks pretty dang nice... not $60+ nice or anything though. A pic or two inside the City Commander Armor would've been great though.

You know i just don't understand some people, i mean everyone wants a certain Transformer produced or made and Hasbro and Takara comes through for us from time to time. And then yes we're glad they made it, but its not up too par, like not enough articulation, the wrong weapon(s) or just the wrong damn color, the wrong size, the list goes on and on. And now we have Ultra Magnus in the right colors, and in the right G1 colors that i remember back from the 80s, but yet people are really tearing this mold apart cause now UM is too white and too plain? I mean i use to have a G1 UM as a kid yes i loved the armor he came with, but hell have of the time i didnt put it on him, i just like him white and looked great with OP and the other autobots. And even someone said that UM dropped his armor in the comics and he is all white in there too? All i can say is, yes i have the classics version of this mold and its pretty good, but for me i'd rather have one close to the G1 version as possible so ill keep mine on pre-order and i will say that he will a nice edition to the Autobot Team.

I love the pure white apperance. Sure it's a lot of white, but it is Ultra Magnus. It's something I might get especialy with a city commander/trailer add on! To bad my 2012 budget is already set to complete the Prime and WfC/FoC lines

Stockade wrote:You know i just don't understand some people, i mean everyone wants a certain Transformer produced or made and Hasbro and Takara comes through for us from time to time. And then yes we're glad they made it, but its not up too par, like not enough articulation, the wrong weapon(s) or just the wrong damn color, the wrong size, the list goes on and on. And now we have Ultra Magnus in the right colors, and in the right G1 colors that i remember back from the 80s, but yet people are really tearing this mold apart cause now UM is too white and too plain? I mean i use to have a G1 UM as a kid yes i loved the armor he came with, but hell have of the time i didnt put it on him, i just like him white and looked great with OP and the other autobots. And even someone said that UM dropped his armor in the comics and he is all white in there too? All i can say is, yes i have the classics version of this mold and its pretty good, but for me i'd rather have one close to the G1 version as possible so ill keep mine on pre-order and i will say that he will a nice edition to the Autobot Team.

There is a saying I have that goes, "When you cannot look past your own views on things, then you are not seeing the whole world as it is." Meaning that when it comes to preferences and beliefs, not everybody looks past their own.

Myself, I am constantly contemplating on adding/seeking characters and series that may fit what I am going for when it comes to my collection. But even then, I always try to keep my preferences separate from my opinion on items. Because I personally like series-accurate reissues, while others prefer the vintage sets.

As for this item - and the fact I brought up the comic - I hear you on the subject. Currently, I have justified myself on not ordering it (yet) as I am wondering if they will have it be a Henkei! piece or not. If it is a Henkei! piece, then I might even though I am not sure how I would feel having him instead of of trying to obtain Skyfire.

So yeah... I'll stop right there since this is making me rethink the idea of seeking out Supreme Commanders that also existed between Fight! to Headmasters, since I am already collecting/seeking other Cybertron Commanders. And the idea kinda hurts my brain more than it does my wallet, BTW.

These photos have just cemented my personal (before anyone gets holier-than-thou) belief that this is a superb-looking figure. I love the simplicity of it, the pure white is stunning and much more like the G1 figure of old. The only thing stopping this figure being perfect is the lack of faction symbols in alt mode, but my trusty Reprolabels will soon fix that. This is my favourite deco of the Classics Prime mould by a country mile, and I can't wait to own it

I know it's more g1 accurate, but the all white looks really bad. To me it looks like someone did a home repaint with white out.

The original UM was all white with the exception of the silver strip decal.

grimdragon2001 wrote:on second thought, im cancelling my preorder, my Magnus is fine

You're not the only one who thought his Classics Magnus had yellowed. As a matter of fact his plastic colors were never truly white, closer to being cream, but looks whitish under certain lights.

I'll stick with the more G1-accurate release, but I felt like giving him his UM armor.

Courtesy of the Planet Iacon facebook page we have an in-package image the Asian market exclusive Takara Tomy Transformers United Ultra Magnus. This version sports a more G1-esque deco than his Classics predecessor from Hasbro. Image mirrored below.

Well, I'll be darn! It looks like they did the smart move by making it a UNITED figure, and not trying to revive their Henkei! Henkei! line!

But seriously, though... I am going to pass simply because it is part of the UNITED line. And even if it was not, I'd still have to pass on it. There is one Encore piece I now plan to seek for my Headmasters collection, and another I plan to preorder.

That, and I am seriously hoping that they are not going to abandon their Cybertron/Destron lineage.

I'm excited for this guy to arrive now On a related note, does anyone have the Black Convoy that came out recently, and if so, how is the mould holding up? I thought that it was toast then along comes Black Convoy and now this, is there any noticeable degradation?

Banjo-Tron wrote:I'm excited for this guy to arrive now On a related note, does anyone have the Black Convoy that came out recently, and if so, how is the mould holding up? I thought that it was toast then along comes Black Convoy and now this, is there any noticeable degradation?

I have Black Convoy. He seems fine to me .

xyl360 wrote:

Banjo-Tron wrote:I'm excited for this guy to arrive now On a related note, does anyone have the Black Convoy that came out recently, and if so, how is the mould holding up? I thought that it was toast then along comes Black Convoy and now this, is there any noticeable degradation?

I have Black Convoy. He seems fine to me .

That's good to hear I was worried also that City Commander wouldn't fit properly. Don't suppose you have tried Shadow commander or something with him?

Banjo-Tron wrote:

xyl360 wrote:

Banjo-Tron wrote:I'm excited for this guy to arrive now On a related note, does anyone have the Black Convoy that came out recently, and if so, how is the mould holding up? I thought that it was toast then along comes Black Convoy and now this, is there any noticeable degradation?

I have Black Convoy. He seems fine to me .

That's good to hear I was worried also that City Commander wouldn't fit properly. Don't suppose you have tried Shadow commander or something with him?

Nope, I haven't (don't have Shadow Commander). I'll try my extra DIA Commander (currently in trailer mode being pulled by one of my Henkei Prime's ) and let you know how it fits.

Well, I just tested it and the armor fits on Black Convoy just fine. No looseness anywhere at all .