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[Insurgent]

I was just going to ignore that. But no. I won't.


My point is, the other series have just as much dedicated fans being nostalgic over it. But G1 overrides everything, especially lately with this new design team. Before, we got a nice mix of all series in generations. Cybertron re-releases. New BW guys. New Armada Hot shot. But now it's all G1.


Just look at Hasbro's offerings for the two anniversarries this year. G1 gets multiple platinum sets for the movie. Homages out thw wazoo. BW is barely mentioned, with only one year of the monkey release of a beast machines toy that was released in rid, and even THAT is done up in G1 colours!



I really don't give a flying monkeys backside (pun intended) if G1 had twice as many years of running. What? Because they made the comics run longer, we're suppossed to ignore all other series in favour of it? I like the titans returns/combiner wars and so on, but come on dude. At least let other series shine in their own freaking anniversarry year. It's like G1 is that old guy in the public square shouting for attention and everyone keeps listening to him, despite the fact there are more coherant people trying to make valid points not five metres away.


At least we have this wonderful figure from Takara.

[Sabrblade]

I was just going to ignore that. But no. I won't.

But I was agreeing with you.

My point is, the other series have just as much dedicated fans being nostalgic over it. But G1 overrides everything, especially lately with this new design team.

And I was trying to make my point build upon your point, as G1's longer run gave it a longer window of opportunity to gather up more followers than Beast Wars's shorter-by-comparison run did.

Before, we got a nice mix of all series in generations. Cybertron re-releases. New BW guys. New Armada Hot shot. But now it's all G1.

You mean in points besides the two "brand anniversary"-themed years of 2009 and 2014? Cuz outside of those two years, all the Classics-style lines have been predominately themed around 1980s G1 reimaginings, WFC, FOC, or IDW G1.

I really don't give a flying monkeys backside (pun intended) if G1 had twice as many years of running. What? Because they made the comics run longer, we're suppossed to ignore all other series in favour of it?

Erm, I was a talking about the G1 toyline, not the media.

[Sabrblade]

This pic is awesome!

[fenrir72]

I was just going to ignore that. But no. I won't.

But I was agreeing with you.

My point is, the other series have just as much dedicated fans being nostalgic over it. But G1 overrides everything, especially lately with this new design team.

And I was trying to make my point build upon your point, as G1's longer run gave it a longer window of opportunity to gather up more followers than Beast Wars's shorter-by-comparison run did.

Before, we got a nice mix of all series in generations. Cybertron re-releases. New BW guys. New Armada Hot shot. But now it's all G1.

You mean in points besides the two "brand anniversary"-themed years of 2009 and 2014? Cuz outside of those two years, all the Classics-style lines have been predominately themed around 1980s G1 reimaginings, WFC, FOC, or IDW G1.

I really don't give a flying monkeys backside (pun intended) if G1 had twice as many years of running. What? Because they made the comics run longer, we're suppossed to ignore all other series in favour of it?

Erm, I was a talking about the G1 toyline, not the media.

I'd like to add in this discussion. Insurgent more or less want's more variety/focus on other toylines and not just G1. Yet nearly everything TF out there is/has a G1 reference or a re-imagining of a G1 product.

Why?

Business decisions today , well hopefully in both sides of the Pacific follow more than just gut or nostalgia. Metadata collection, buying and discussion patterns, feed back from the web/net etc etc.

Or Takara knows something we don't or they just decide using dart boards or gut feelings in Starsaber's case, it was from a poll (so there must have been some scientific method to their choice of project/product). Supposedly, MP Tracks sold poorly for online retailers (but Takara more or less got rid of their entire inventory)

Is it always successful? Maybe.If you use Tracks as an example, online retailers were supposedly stuck with a lot of unsold inventory. Maybe they'll be giving Takara a feedback to chose their projects wisely in the future...maybe the Corvette license was just dirt cheap.

That being said, there must be indeed a method to this madness when choosing a particular character (seems like G1 is a sure/safe bet with regards to Takara's MP series ) and the BW is more like a trial balloon. Primal looks to have sold out online wise (Japan retailers) But his a "Convoy" and he always sells. Cheetas on the other hand.........

[william-james88]

Insurgent, I like your passion but don't get too flustered over this, Beast Wars will forever be known as what saved the entire Transformers Brand as well as being the foundation for modern Transformers articulation. G1 started it, but it is Beast Wars that saved it. For me, both those lines are the cornerstones that have made it so that we have this wonderful hobby still around today

[william-james88]

Primal looks to have sold out online wise (Japan retailers)

How many did you check? He is still readily available at HLJ and Nippon Yassan, maybe more but those are the only ones I checked so far.

http://hlj.com/product/TKT86177

https://www.nippon-yasan.com/figures/16 ... -wars.html

[Sabrblade]

Primal looks to have sold out online wise (Japan retailers)

How many did you check? He is still readily available at HLJ and Nippon Yassan, maybe more but those are the only ones I checked so far.

http://hlj.com/product/TKT86177

https://www.nippon-yasan.com/figures/16 ... -wars.html

And from Amazon Japan, which can now, shock of all shocks, finally ship toys directly to the U.S.!!!

[fenrir72]

Primal looks to have sold out online wise (Japan retailers)

How many did you check? He is still readily available at HLJ and Nippon Yassan, maybe more but those are the only ones I checked so far.

http://hlj.com/product/TKT86177

https://www.nippon-yasan.com/figures/16 ... -wars.html

"Looks" to have sold out.Emphasis on "looks" You can measure that later if by your example Tracks, a certain product gets sold off at a massive sale from retail price to discount.

As Beast Convoy was just released, the 1st stocks are all gone especially at hobbysearch and Amiami. These are best gauges in sellability because you do't have to put up any cash first and they get sold out.

IH sold well because it was given a second release in both Japan and Asia

At hlj, a good place to search as a last resort, despite their SRP being a bit lower than hobbysearch, doesn't always sell out.......must be the name of the store that also factors in.

[william-james88]

At hlj, a good place to search as a last resort, despite their SRP being a bit lower than hobbysearch, doesn't always sell out.......must be the name of the store that also factors in.

Now you've got me curious, what does HLJ's name (or repuration) have going against it? I thought they were one fo the most trusted places in Japan and have an excellent track record. They've been around for a longtime too.

[triKlops]

And from Amazon Japan, which can now, shock of all shocks, finally ship toys directly to the U.S.!!!

Whoa Sabr, when did this happen?
This legit across the board on imports??
If so, this opens up a lot of doors.

[Sabrblade]

And from Amazon Japan, which can now, shock of all shocks, finally ship toys directly to the U.S.!!!

Whoa Sabr, when did this happen?
This legit across the board on imports??
If so, this opens up a lot of doors.

I just found out today.

[Ultra Markus]

i just want to see the whole original beast wars cast done in masterpiece form
how awesome would that be?

[wilcosu35]

At hlj, a good place to search as a last resort, despite their SRP being a bit lower than hobbysearch, doesn't always sell out.......must be the name of the store that also factors in.

Now you've got me curious, what does HLJ's name (or repuration) have going against it? I thought they were one fo the most trusted places in Japan and have an excellent track record. They've been around for a longtime too.

I don't get this either. They've also got a bad rep on Rangerboard for some reason.
I've been buying stuff from them for more than 10 years now, and i've never had any problems with them.

[fenrir72]

At hlj, a good place to search as a last resort, despite their SRP being a bit lower than hobbysearch, doesn't always sell out.......must be the name of the store that also factors in.

Now you've got me curious, what does HLJ's name (or repuration) have going against it? I thought they were one fo the most trusted places in Japan and have an excellent track record. They've been around for a longtime too.

If you know me by now I don't post without basis.

First, even before Amiami or hobbysearch (pre PayPal), I've been getting my anime fix from hlj. But even back then their prices were much more expensive than the two former I mentioned.

Amiami and hobbysearch won't accept credit cards btw. It was in the advent of PayPal that I shifted to those two. It was around 2009 to 2010.

Around that time hlj also dropped their prices. Though their store catalog wasn't as good as before (i.e. very limited stocks and choices and brands unlike when their prices were higher)

One good thing is that they allow you to cancel, no mess no fuss then they recently added their own "warehouse" option.

Now, why the last option to buy from them?

1. Their search engine is all over. Even if I punch in HMR Bandai Macross, I get to nowhere, by the time I did find it, the item is long gone/sold out. In other words, their search engine sucks!

2. 3 incidents where orders I made were not served in full. Meaning, they processed my order but later informed me that the 5 I ordered could not be filled and that their description was a "mistake"

3. Irony from #1, I did managed to score an HMR Macross from them by the skin of my teeth (most likely as all the other stores well sold out and online buyers most probably didn't think of ordering from them hence they suddenly had extra stocks).

4. Dependability of stocks. My primary issue. You pray that indeed your order will be filled.

The other online stores, I have had only one incident in Amiami that they turned down my order for TF Go!Kenzan ( a restock btw but got sold out or it was an error in their system). Other than that.......all orders served.

Now my beef with Amiami on the other hand is, their stocks, from SoC and the SoC Macross' and to some extent , some TF get sold out faster that a spit dries in a hot summer day...............

[fenrir72]

At hlj, a good place to search as a last resort, despite their SRP being a bit lower than hobbysearch, doesn't always sell out.......must be the name of the store that also factors in.

Now you've got me curious, what does HLJ's name (or repuration) have going against it? I thought they were one fo the most trusted places in Japan and have an excellent track record. They've been around for a longtime too.

I don't get this either. They've also got a bad rep on Rangerboard for some reason.
I've been buying stuff from them for more than 10 years now, and i've never had any problems with them.

I don't know Rangerboard but that proves that there are some issues with them.


Btw, Amiami isn't guilt free too.Their customer service is a mixed bag. As in sometimes, they're like clueless to an inquiry.Returns are a case to case basis

[Insurgent]

Sorry sabrblade. I misread your post as giviving excuses in a g1 fanboy forget everything else because g1 is ultimate way. I probably shouldn't internet at 2 am. Or what feels like 2am. Stupid clock changes.


And will, i will always be passionate about beast wars. It's not just my favourite tf serirs, its in my top 3 tv shows of all time. I can't explain what it means to me, so i do get a bit... Triggered? Is that the word people are using these days? When it just casually gets cast aside for the all mighty g1.



Anyway.... Mp primal is pure sex on a plate. Sure he has a little robot leg showing and his feet look clunky, but not as bad in person. I feel his shoulder covers are meant to close a little more to fully cover the robot white but they pop up for whatwver reason. Still looks awesome.

My only real issue is that peg in his back. No mention in the instructions and is a blemish on an otherwise perfect robot mode.

[Ravage XK]

We are missing the most important question of all.

Which monkey face do you have on yours? Mine is a happy Optimus.

[fenrir72]

We are missing the most important question of all.

Which monkey face do you have on yours? Mine is a happy Optimus.

Full face plate.

[Insurgent]

I'll go happy optimus too. And not sure on the robot faces. But probably his smirk.

[Emerje]

About Beast Wars nostalgia, keep in mind that 20 years means that the kids watching this back then are only in their mid-20s now so they aren't quite financially established just yet. The 20th anniversary of G1 wasn't exactly stellar either, it was basically MP-01 Optimus Prime and a bunch of reissues, not much more than that. It wasn't until the following years that we started to get a true G1 celebration from things like Classics which was an accidental hit.

Didn't Hasbro say they didn't feel the need to celebrate on the actual 20th anniversary year and that 2017 would be fine? Personally I think the 25th anniversary makes more sense.

And from Amazon Japan, which can now, shock of all shocks, finally ship toys directly to the U.S.!!!

Whoa Sabr, when did this happen?
This legit across the board on imports??
If so, this opens up a lot of doors.

I just found out today.

I made some posts about this months ago. Just keep in mind that it's only good on items sold directly by Amazon and their discounts aren't usually as good as the more popular exporters. Pretty sure they only ship EMS as well.

One nice thing: Being Amazon they too do the incremental price drops on some figures. MP-31 Delta Magnus had slipped down as far as 9,400JPY before settling back at its current price of 10,563JPY. The other nice thing is they don't charge tax on exports so the price is really 9,781. Shame they only seem to ship EMS. Still, even with shipping the total price is only slightly more than AmiAmi before shipping.

Emerje

[Sabrblade]

About Beast Wars nostalgia, keep in mind that 20 years means that the kids watching this back then are only in their mid-20s now so they aren't quite financially established just yet. The 20th anniversary of G1 wasn't exactly stellar either, it was basically MP-01 Optimus Prime and a bunch of reissues, not much more than that. It wasn't until the following years that we started to get a true G1 celebration from things like Classics which was an accidental hit.

Didn't Hasbro say they didn't feel the need to celebrate on the actual 20th anniversary year and that 2017 would be fine? Personally I think the 25th anniversary makes more sense.

2004 also had the first "modern G1" and "collector-oriented" line in Binaltech/Alternators, as well as a ton of G1 homage toy designs in the Energon toyline.

[triKlops]

And from Amazon Japan, which can now, shock of all shocks, finally ship toys directly to the U.S.!!!

Whoa Sabr, when did this happen?
This legit across the board on imports??
If so, this opens up a lot of doors.

I just found out today.

I made some posts about this months ago. Just keep in mind that it's only good on items sold directly by Amazon and their discounts aren't usually as good as the more popular exporters. Pretty sure they only ship EMS as well.

One nice thing: Being Amazon they too do the incremental price drops on some figures. MP-31 Delta Magnus had slipped down as far as 9,400JPY before settling back at its current price of 10,563JPY. The other nice thing is they don't charge tax on exports so the price is really 9,781. Shame they only seem to ship EMS. Still, even with shipping the total price is only slightly more than AmiAmi before shipping.

Emerje

Thank you both for the info.
I will start doing some more digging with them now.

[Ironhidensh]

Out for delivery! ! !

[Counterpunch]

Got mine today. Absolutely amazing. Figure of the year material here.

Question: What is the recess area on Primal's left forearm for?

[Big Grim]

Dammit guys! Stop bigging him up! I can't afford him and don't wanna start a new MP line!