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News Credits: 9 · by **Mykltron** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:58 am

Sad times.

News Credits: 10 · by **gavinfuzzy** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:27 am

craggy wrote:
gavinfuzzy wrote: Unicron would not fit into any of hasbro's scale.

Hmm...Just because it doesn't seem like there's ever any new ones out, I think Hasbro are still doing the Voyager scale.

It's price point and size seems to be of the Ultra scale, but Hasbro's just too lazy to work it in. :lol:

News Credits: 12 · by **GuyIncognito** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:55 am

Well, I'm tired of complaining about Hasbro. I already ordered Arms Micron Vehicon and Jet Vehicon, and I'm starting to realize I'm going to have to start importing more often as Hasbro seems to have no interest in bringing us the toys we want.

News Credits: 1 · by **RhA** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:59 am

I do wonder what leads to these decisions. Why ignore show characters that have fully developed toys? All the designwork is done...

News Credits: 1 · by **Sodan-1** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:25 am

Yet another troop building opportunity Hasbro would rather we didn't have. Hell, the one they did release is impossible to find. As far as I'm concerned the most official thing about Hasbro is that they suck. For every step forward they take four steps back. They had better blow us away with the 30th anniversary.

News Credits: 1 · by **worldsgreatest** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:28 am

I hate to be rude, but they've been telling us its a Japanese only release since it was first solicited! Personally I chose not to be Hasbr-optimistic and believed them.

News Credits: 1 · by **worldsgreatest** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:30 am

gavinfuzzy wrote:
craggy wrote:
gavinfuzzy wrote: Unicron would not fit into any of hasbro's scale.

Hmm...Just because it doesn't seem like there's ever any new ones out, I think Hasbro are still doing the Voyager scale.

It's price point and size seems to be of the Ultra scale, but Hasbro's just too lazy to work it in.

It does look bigger than a Voyager, but online retailers have him priced the same as Darkness Megatron and other AM Voyagers. I'm stoked for that figure.

News Credits: 4 · by **freaky777** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:33 am

worldsgreatest wrote:
gavinfuzzy wrote:
craggy wrote:
gavinfuzzy wrote: Unicron would not fit into any of hasbro's scale.

Hmm...Just because it doesn't seem like there's ever any new ones out, I think Hasbro are still doing the Voyager scale.

It's price point and size seems to be of the Ultra scale, but Hasbro's just too lazy to work it in.

It does look bigger than a Voyager, but online retailers have him priced the same as Darkness Megatron and other AM Voyagers. I'm stoked for that figure.

Normal AM Voyagers (SS, Breakdown, Bulkhead, etc.) are cheaper than both Darkness Megatron and Unicorn.

by **Gearslide** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:34 am

worldsgreatest wrote:
gavinfuzzy wrote:
craggy wrote:
gavinfuzzy wrote: Unicron would not fit into any of hasbro's scale.

Hmm...Just because it doesn't seem like there's ever any new ones out, I think Hasbro are still doing the Voyager scale.

It's price point and size seems to be of the Ultra scale, but Hasbro's just too lazy to work it in.

It does look bigger than a Voyager, but online retailers have him priced the same as Darkness Megatron and other AM Voyagers. I'm stoked for that figure.

Actually, only a few voyagers in TT's line have had that higher price point. Darkness Megatron, War Breakdown, and Gaia Unicron all have higher prices than other voyagers in the line (including Swerve and Breakdown Silas, who share the same mold with Breakdown). I guess Breakdown's higher cost is to offset initial use of the mold, and Darkness Megatron comes with two freaking huge Arms Microns. Unicron's cost might be because it uses a lot of plastic, hence a larger size.

News Credits: 436 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:10 am

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I was expecting this, but I'm still pissed off. Are we ever getting any new figures? I'm honestly asking, because it looks like everything we don't have already we're just not getting.

Well, let's have a look at what we are getting in 2012, and compare it to Japan.

In 2012, Hasbro is releasing/has released the following Prime toys.

RID Deluxe:

Bumblebee
Cliffjumper
Wheeljack
Soundwave
Arcee
Autobot Ratchet
Knock Out
Vehicon
Hot Shot
Dead End
Shadow Strike Bumblebee
Airachnid
Sergeant Kup
Decepticon Rumble

RID Voyager:

Optimus Prime
Megatron
Starscream
Bulkhead
Dreadwing
Thundertron
Ultra Magnus
Skyquake

RID Enetertainment Pack:

Bumblebee vs. Starscream

RID Weaponizers:

Optimus Prime
Bumblebee

Cyberverse Series 2 Legion class:

Bumblebee
Vehicon
Arcee
Autobot Ratchet
Cliffjumper
Breakdown
(DOTM) Soundwave
(DOTM) Mirage
(TF: The Ride) Evac
Flamewar
Hyperspeed Wheeljack
Quick Blade Bumblebee
Fallback
Tailgate
Knock Out

Cyberverse Series 2 Commander class:

Optimus Prime
Bulkhead
Starscream
Megatron
Dreadwing
Ironhide
Ultra Magnus
Nightwatch Optimus Prime
Skyquake
Battle Tactics Bulkhead

Cyberverse Series 2 Vehicles:

Energon Driller with Knock Out
Star Hammer with Wheeljack
Bumblebee with Battle Suit

Cyberverse Series 2 Playset:

Optimus Maximus

First Edition TRU exclusives:

Deluxe Arcee
Deluxe Starscream
Deluxe Terrorcon Cliffjumper
Deluxe Vehicon
Voyager Optimus Prime
Voyager Bulkhead
Entertainment Pack Optimus Prime vs. Megatron

Dark Energon BBTS exclusives:

Deluxe Bumblebee
Deluxe Wheeljack
Deluxe Knock Out
Deluxe Starscream
Voyager Megatron
Voyager Optimus Prime

SDCC exclusive:

"Rust in Reace" Terrorcon Cliffjumper

Conversely, TakaraTomy will be releasing/has released the following in 2012.

TF: Prime Arms Micron line:

AM-01 Optimus Prime (with M-01 O.P.)
AM-02 Bumblebee (with M-02 B.2)
AM-03 Cliffjumper (with M-03 C.L.)
AM-04 Ratchet (with M-04 R.A.)
AM-05 Megatron (with M-05 Gora)
AM-06 Skywarp (with M-06 Balo)
AM-07 Starscream (with M-07 Gul)
AM-08 Terrorcon Cliffjumper (with M-08 Jida)
AM-09 Soundwave (with Laserbeak and M-09 Zori)
AM-10 Bulkhead (with M-10 B.H.)
AM-11 Arcee (with M-11 Arc)
AM-12 War Breakdown (with M-12 Zamu)
AM-13 Medic Knock Out (with M-13 Gra)
AM-14 Decepticon Vehicon (with M-14 Noji)
AM-15 Megatron Darkness (with M-15 Gora II and M-16 Hades)
AM-16 Jet Vehicon (with M-17 Igu)
AM-17 Autobot Swerve (with M-21 S.W./Saw/Sou/whatever)
AM-18 Airachnid (with M-22 Ida)
AM-19 Gaia Unicron (with ?)
AM-20 Ironhide (with ?)
AM-21 Arms Master Optimus (with ?)
AM-22 Dreadwing (with ?)
AM-23 Wheeljack (with ?)
AM-24 Silas Breakdown (with ?)
AM-25 Nemesis Prime (with ?)
AM-26 Smokescreen (with ?)
AM-27 Ultra Magnus (with ?)
AM-28 Leo Prime (with ?)
AM-29 Shockwave (with ?)

AMW Series:

AMW-01 Gabu
AMW-02 Baru
AMW-03 Dai
AMW-04 C.L. GR
AMW-05 Balo G
AMW-06 Jida R
AMW-07 Pral
AMW-08 Sais
AMW-09 Jayz
AMW-10 ??? (redeco of Zori)
AMW-11 ???
AMW-12 ???

EZ Collection:

EZ-01 Optimus Prime
EZ-02 Megatron
EZ-03 Starscream
EZ-04 Bumblebee
EZ-05 Cliffjumper
EZ-06 Ratchet
EZ-07 Decepticon Vehicon
EZ-08 Bulkhead
EZ-09 Arcee
EZ-10 Spaceship Star Hammer & Wheeljack
EZ-11 Ironhide
EZ-12 Dreadwing
EZ-13 Autobot Evac
EZ-14 War Breakdown
EZ-15 Energon Driller & Medic Knock Out
EZ-16 Ultra Magnus
EZ-17 Optimus Maximus
EZ-18 Skyquake

Gacha Arms Microns:

Optimus Prime Blaster
Bumblebee Sword
Zad 1
Zad 2
Gob 1
Gob 2
Arcee Blade
Bulkhead Knuckle
Megatron Cannon
Dado 1
Dado 2

Exclusives:

Takara seems more into exclusive redecos and more Micron releases than new molds.

News Credits: 1 · by **worldsgreatest** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:19 am

All of the AM Voyagers were $59.99 up until the Swerve repaint on, and the first wave of deluxe AMs were $37.99 (pricing on subsequent waves dropped to $29.99 @ BBTS).

My point was in this line pricing seems kind of arbitrary, which means Unicron is just a regular Voyager size. Theoretically.

News Credits: 2 · by **xyl360** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:19 am

Sabrblade wrote:
Evil_the_Nub wrote:I was expecting this, but I'm still pissed off. Are we ever getting any new figures? I'm honestly asking, because it looks like everything we don't have already we're just not getting.
Well, let's have a look at what we are getting in 2012, and compare it to Japan.

In 2012, Hasbro is releasing/has released the following Prime toys.

RID Deluxe:
Bumblebee
Cliffjumper
Wheeljack
Soundwave
Arcee
Autobot Ratchet
Knock Out
Vehicon
Hot Shot
Dead End
Shadow Strike Bumblebee
Airachnid
Sergeant Kup
Decepticon Rumble
RID Voyager:
Optimus Prime
Megatron
Starscream
Bulkhead
Dreadwing
Thundertron
Ultra Magnus
Skyquake
RID Enetertainment Pack:
Bumblebee vs. Starscream
RID Weaponizers:
Optimus Prime
Bumblebee
Cyberverse Series 2 Legion class:
Bumblebee
Vehicon
Arcee
Autobot Ratchet
Cliffjumper
Breakdown
(DOTM) Soundwave
(DOTM) Mirage
(TF: The Ride) Evac
Flamewar
Hyperspeed Wheeljack
Quick Blade Bumblebee
Fallback
Tailgate
Knock Out
Cyberverse Series 2 Commander class:
Optimus Prime
Bulkhead
Starscream
Megatron
Dreadwing
Ironhide
Ultra Magnus
Nightwatch Optimus Prime
Skyquake
Battle Tactics Bulkhead
Cyberverse Series 2 Vehicles:
Energon Driller with Knock Out
Star Hammer with Wheeljack
Bumblebee with Battle Suit
Cyberverse Series 2 Playset:
Optimus Maximus
First Edition TRU exclusives:
Deluxe Arcee
Deluxe Starscream
Deluxe Terrorcon Cliffjumper
Deluxe Vehicon
Voyager Optimus Prime
Voyager Bulkhead
Entertainment Pack Optimus Prime vs. Megatron
Dark Energon BBTS exclusives:
Deluxe Bumblebee
Deluxe Wheeljack
Deluxe Knock Out
Deluxe Starscream
Voyager Megatron
Voyager Optimus Prime

Conversely, TakaraTomy will be releasing/has released the following in 2012.

TF: Prime Arms Micron line:
AM-01 Optimus Prime (with M-01 O.P.)
AM-02 Bumblebee (with M-02 B.2)
AM-03 Cliffjumper (with M-03 C.L.)
AM-04 Ratchet (with M-04 R.A.)
AM-05 Megatron (with M-05 Gora)
AM-06 Skywarp (with M-06 Balo)
AM-07 Starscream (with M-07 Gul)
AM-08 Terrorcon Cliffjumper (with M-08 Jida)
AM-09 Soundwave (with Laserbeak and M-09 Zori)
AM-10 Bulkhead (with M-10 B.H.)
AM-11 Arcee (with M-11 Arc)
AM-12 War Breakdown (with M-12 Zamu)
AM-13 Medic Knock Out (with M-13 Gra)
AM-14 Decepticon Vehicon (with M-14 Noji)
AM-15 Megatron Darkness (with M-15 Gora II and M-16 Hades)
AM-16 Jet Vehicon (with M-17 Igu)
AM-17 Autobot Swerve (with M-21 S.W./Saw/Sou/whatever)
AM-18 Airachnid (with M-22 Ida)
AM-19 Gaia Unicron (with ?)
AM-20 Ironhide (with ?)
AM-21 Arms Master Optimus (with ?)
AM-22 Dreadwing (with ?)
AM-23 Wheeljack (with ?)
AM-24 Silas Breakdown (with ?)
AM-25 Nemesis Prime (with ?)
AM-26 Smokescreen (with ?)
AM-27 Ultra Magnus (with ?)
AM-28 Leo Prime (with ?)
AM-29 Shockwave (with ?)
AMW Series:
AMW-01 Gabu
AMW-02 Baru
AMW-03 Dai
AMW-04 C.L. GR
AMW-05 Balo G
AMW-06 Jida R
AMW-07 Pral
AMW-08 Sais
AMW-09 Jayz
AMW-10 ??? (redeco of Zori)
AMW-11 ???
AMW-12 ???
EZ Collection:
EZ-01 Optimus Prime
EZ-02 Megatron
EZ-03 Starscream
EZ-04 Bumblebee
EZ-05 Cliffjumper
EZ-06 Ratchet
EZ-07 Decepticon Vehicon
EZ-08 Bulkhead
EZ-09 Arcee
EZ-10 Spaceship Star Hammer & Wheeljack
EZ-11 Ironhide
EZ-12 Dreadwing
EZ-13 Autobot Evac
EZ-14 War Breakdown
EZ-15 Energon Driller & Medic Knock Out
EZ-16 Ultra Magnus
EZ-17 Optimus Maximus
EZ-18 Skyquake
Gacha Arms Microns:
Optimus Prime Blaster
Bumblebee Sword
Zad 1
Zad 2
Gob 1
Gob 2
Arcee Blade
Bulkhead Knuckle
Megatron Cannon
Dado 1
Dado 2
Exclusives:
Autobot Firebolt Clear Yellow Ver.
Vector Oracle
Autobot Firebolt
Pinpointer
Shadow C.L.
Shadow R.A.
Shadow Gora
Shadow Balo
First Edition Shining Optimus Prime
Shining B.2
Shining O.P.
Golden Optimus Prime (with Golden O.P.)
Golden Hades
Hellflame Gul
Hellflame Jida
Hellflame Noji
Hellflame Zamu
Terrorcon Bumblebee (with Terrorcon Zori)
Battle Shield Optimus (with O.P. A, Pral G, Sais G and Jayz G)

Takara seems more into exclusive redecos and more Micron releases than new molds.

I didn't think Hasbro released the FE Vehicon did they? Or are they only going to release it now that they're re-releasing the FE's and that's what you were referring to?

by **Hypershock** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:19 am

do the other toys that have had american releases actually say hasbro as well?

News Credits: 436 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:35 am

xyl360 wrote:I didn't think Hasbro released the FE Vehicon did they? Or are they only going to release it now that they're re-releasing the FE's and that's what you were referring to?

At SDCC, the FE Vehicon was shown among the seven FEs that are coming to TRU later this year. Notice that I omitted Bumblebee and Cliffjumper since they aren't a part of the 2012 release of the FEs? 2011 only had three Deluxe FEs come to TRU, but 2012 will have all of them minus BB and CJ.

by **RAcast** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:37 am

Sabrblade wrote:
xyl360 wrote:I didn't think Hasbro released the FE Vehicon did they? Or are they only going to release it now that they're re-releasing the FE's and that's what you were referring to?
At SDCC, the FE Vehicon was shown among the seven FEs that are coming to TRU later this year. Notice that I omitted Bumblebee and Cliffjumper since they aren't a part of the 2012 release of the FEs? 2011 only had three Deluxe FEs come to TRU, but 2012 will have all of them minus BB and CJ.

And plus Terrorjumper.

I'm really hoping to be able to pick him up.

News Credits: 11 · by **kirbenvost** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:39 am

Nice figure....looks almost like Skywarp in bot mode, minus the head, mostly due to the wings and lilac purple. XD

It's a shame if it doesn't get a US release, I'm glad I preordered. I would've got Breakdown too if he wasn't so damn expensive.

News Credits: 12 · by **GuyIncognito** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:42 am

worldsgreatest wrote:All of the AM Voyagers were $59.99 up until the Swerve repaint on, and the first wave of deluxe AMs were $37.99 (pricing on subsequent waves dropped to $29.99 @ BBTS).

My point was in this line pricing seems kind of arbitrary, which means Unicron is just a regular Voyager size. Theoretically.

At Robotkingdom, Deluxe AMs are $23.90 and most Voyager AMs are $46.90! Breakdown and Darkness Megs, however, are $54.90. Gaia Unicron, interestingly, is $51.90 for preorder.

News Credits: 436 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:43 am

RAcast wrote:And plus Terrorjumper. I'm really hoping to be able to pick him up.

I said that. Look on the list again.

by **Hotrodimust** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:46 am

El Duque wrote:Seibertron.com members daimchoc and Sabrblade bring us a couple of updates on Takra's recently released Transformers Prime Arms Micron AM-16 Jet Vehicon

First, daimchoc has found a video review by YouTube member doubble80. Check out the embeds below.

Second, Sabrblade brings us some potentially unfortunate news by way of fellow fansite [url]the Allspark[/url]. It appears Jet Vehicon may be joining Breakdown and Gaia Unicron as Takara exclusives.

Sabrblade wrote:Remember when we found out that the Transformers: Prime Voyager Breakdown and Voyager Gaia Unicron would be TakaraTomy exclusive figures? Well it looks as though the Deluxe Jet Vehicon figure might be joining their ranks. The Jet Vehicon figure was recently released in Japan, and Allspark.com user Powered Convoy has both acquired one and taken a photo of the figure's copyright information. Much like the Breakdown figure, the Jet Vehicon figure only contains copyright info from Tomy, rather than from both Tomy and Hasbro like the other figures shared between the two.

For comparison, here's Prime Voyager Breakdown's copyright information (also taken by Powered Convoy), which also lacks info from Hasbro.

Lol this. Is nuts this is my review sadly I forgot to flip the wings up and made an update video

News Credits: 4 · by **King Kuuga** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:17 am

Hypershock wrote:do the other toys that have had american releases actually say hasbro as well?

Yes. I just checked my Bulkhead and it says
(C)2011 Hasbro
(C) Tomy

Honestly, I was expecting this one to be Japan exclusive, so I preordered. Only one, though, I'll probably get one or two more down the road. Sadly, this means I'll be getting this guy before I see ANY regular Vehicons, as I still have had no luck with that. I need that wave 4 revision assortment to hit fast.

Website · by **Flux Convoy** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:09 am

Guuuh! Overpriced TT only molds are beginning to get under my skin. Pre-ordered, like a schmuck.

by **Evil_the_Nub** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:18 am

RhA wrote:I do wonder what leads to these decisions. Why ignore show characters that have fully developed toys? All the designwork is done...

I don't get it either. What's so hard about this?
Phase one: design toys
Phase two: release toys
Phase three: profit

Phase one is the hard part, why stop there? They must be following the Underpants Gnomes business model.

by **Hotrodimust** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:19 am

Flux Convoy wrote:Guuuh! Overpriced TT only molds are beginning to get under my skin. Pre-ordered, like a schmuck.

I think he was only $23 on RK and with shipping its still under $40

News Credits: 1 · by **noodles2go** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:43 pm

I found a seller on ebay that is selling Jet Vehicon for only 35.99 with free shipping. A quick search will lead you to a decent deal!

by **Hotrodimust** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:55 pm

noodles2go wrote:I found a seller on ebay that is selling Jet Vehicon for only 35.99 with free shipping. A quick search will lead you to a decent deal!

Not bad that's about what I paid from Robotkingdom shipped