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Posted: **Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:28 pm**

PrymeStriker wrote:
Shockwave7 wrote:I think we're overlooking - it could be Breakdown/Silas. Doesn't he put in an appearance in Thirst?

He makes an appearance as spark-eating zombie. The Autobots would interrogate a mindless, undead corpse for information?

I would.

Posted: **Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:05 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:Starscream or Knock Out, Starscream or Knockout, Starscream or Knock Out...
Seems a good possibility.

They've already questioned Screamer once before.

I'm hoping it's Soundwave or Shockwave, so we can get some further insight into their respective backstories. Soundwave especially, even if the Autobots fail to get anything out of him...

Posted: **Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:11 pm**

Henry921 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:Starscream or Knock Out, Starscream or Knockout, Starscream or Knock Out...
Seems a good possibility.

They've already questioned Screamer once before.

Actually, they never questioned him: there wasn't enough time, as Airachnid flew off in search for the Immobilizer in the other half of the Harbinger. All they were able to do was haul him in a trailer near the ship. ("Partners")

Posted: **Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:26 pm**

I haven't see 'Thirst' yet. Do we have any evidence that Silas is an dead? Or an undead zombie? Breakdown's body may be running amok, but if Silas is still alive, and contained within Breakdown, then he's not 'mindless', and could be interrogated. I can see him being 'free' of the influence of the Dark Energon, AND the Synth-en, and still able to think and talk (and be interrogated).

Posted: **Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:28 pm**

Shockwave7 wrote:I haven't see 'Thirst' yet. Do we have any evidence that Silas is an dead? Or an undead zombie? Breakdown's body may be running amok, but if Silas is still alive, and contained within Breakdown, then he's not 'mindless', and could be interrogated. I can see him being 'free' of the influence of the Dark Energon, AND the Synth-en, and still able to think and talk (and be interrogated).

How should we know? Nobody hasn't seen it: it doesn't air for another two hours.

Two painfully long hours. :BANG_HEAD:

And as for the question of Silas being interrogated, there would probably be nothing he could give that could be worth something to the Decepticons. If he had something worth knowing, he would have spitted it out by now.

Posted: **Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:39 pm**

Minus One Description http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/transfo ... aid=zap2it

Posted: **Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:40 pm**

viruscarnage wrote:Minus One Description http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/transfo ... aid=zap2it

We've got it covered already.

Posted: **Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:43 pm**

Mindmaster wrote:
viruscarnage wrote:Minus One Description http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/transfo ... aid=zap2it

We've got it covered already.

Ohh sorry I missed that post somehow

Posted: **Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:09 pm**

My guess wasn't far off. Silas in Breakdown's body did assert himself in this episode. What will this mean for 'Minus One'? There's a couple possibilities now.

1) Silas may not be dead. All Airachnid did was expose the spark chamber of Breakdown's body. She didn't gut Silas or anything. She just said 'whatever' and slunk away. Silas (in Breakdown's body) was left untended after Breakdown and Starscream reported to Megs. Silas could have recovered and made off. He could then be the one who is 'captured' and interrogated next week. Certainly, after his ordeals, he would have plenty of reasons to want to spill the beans on Megatron's plans.

2) After getting beat up by Megatron (again), Starscream goes rogue (again) and is the one who blabs to the autobots.

3) Knockout becomes disaffected after being rendered persona non grata following the zombie disaster. Having been stripped of all meaningful duties and respect, he may now seek greener pastures.

Posted: **Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:54 pm**

Shockwave7 wrote:1) Silas may not be dead.

With only five episodes left to cover their tracks and little time to open up new story opportunities, I sincerely doubt Silas isn't dead.

That final "thank you" of his was the key, indicating that he saw her killing as a merciful, freeing him from his suffering to let him rest in peace.

Posted: **Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:22 am**

Shockwave7 wrote:1) Silas may not be dead. All Airachnid did was expose the spark chamber of Breakdown's body. She didn't gut Silas or anything. She just said 'whatever' and slunk away. Silas (in Breakdown's body) was left untended after Breakdown and Starscream reported to Megs. Silas could have recovered and made off. He could then be the one who is 'captured' and interrogated next week. Certainly, after his ordeals, he would have plenty of reasons to want to spill the beans on Megatron's plans.

2) After getting beat up by Megatron (again), Starscream goes rogue (again) and is the one who blabs to the autobots.

3) Breakdown becomes disaffected after being rendered persona non grata following the zombie disaster. Having been stripped of all meaningful duties and respect, he may now seek greener pastures.

Sheesh, why are you limiting yourself to Starscream or Breakdown? First of all, how would Silas know anything about Megatron's project if he's been contained all this time? Secondly, Knock Out and Airachnid are possibilities as well, especially since both have inside knowledge and would be more useful to the Autobots. Thirdly, if they play the Starscream card again, it would just seem repetitive and had gotten old by then. Finally, are you suggesting Breakdown return to full life? If not, how would Breakdown's corpse regain health? If so, the writers strictly prohibit any character from returning from the dead. Prime treats mortality different. If you're foolish enough to die, you stay dead.

As a side note, it is likely that the one whom the Autobots question is (one of?) the side-switchers that was mentioned this season, hence "Minus One."

Posted: **Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:57 am**

First of all, how would Silas know anything about Megatron's project if he's been contained all this time?

How would Silas know anything about Megatron's plots? Daaah, gee - he's been alive and on the ship for quite a while. Ya think he might... ya know... HEAR things? It wouldn't be the first time that a character on this TV show improbably relayed information that Vehicons, Insecticons and even Megatron were casually discussing while strolling the corridors, or shooting the breeze in their labs. Weren't Knockout and Starscream doing just that - discussing Project Predacon, and other things, RIGHT THERE while Silas was twitching on his slab? 'Daaah, how would he know', indeed. He'd know a lot more than Airachnid, who was in stasis the whole time, and who knows absolutely nothing about any of it.

Secondly, Knock Out and Airachnid are possibilities as well, especially since both have inside knowledge and would be more useful to the Autobots.

Uh - yes. I believe I already listed Knockout as a possibility. Thank you for agreeing with me.

Could it be Airachnid? Maybe. But Soundwave dumped her and all the insecticons onto one of Cybertron's moons with no way to escape. So I find it much LESS likely that it would be Airachnid than Silas, who is still on earth, and by no means 'certainly' dead.

That final "thank you" of his was the key, indicating that he saw her killing as a merciful, freeing him from his suffering to let him rest in peace.

Saying 'thank you' while Breakdown's body makes a kind of power-down humming noise is hardly a certified death certificate, especially in the world of TV-dom. Silas may not have to depend on Breakdown's body being functional in order to stay alive. Besides, he has bits of Dark Energon in him. Ya know - 'bring back the dead' and all that...? Huh? HUH?

With only five episodes left to cover their tracks and little time to open up new story opportunities, I sincerely doubt Silas isn't dead.

If 'gee they don't have many episodes left' is your sticking point, that's all the more reason to use Silas, an established character with a pre-built model. It'll be a lot easier for the writers to have Silas recover, be captured, and interrogated as opposed to writing a way for Airachnid to travel light years away without a spacebridge, without rocket propulsion, and without anyone on Earth who wants to bring her back.

Thirdly, if they play the Starscream card again, it would just seem repetitive and had gotten old by then.

Gee - repetition on a TV show. Yeah, I've never heard of any TV program doing anything like THAT before... /sarc

Finally, are you suggesting Breakdown return to full life? If not, how would Breakdown's corpse regain health? If so, the writers strictly prohibit any character from returning from the dead. Prime treats mortality different. If you're foolish enough to die, you stay dead.

Daaaah, gee - Dark Energon? Daaah, gee - re-animates the dead? Daaah, he died before when Airachnid killed him, yet he's STILL in the series? Doesn't sound like his body 'stayed dead', now does it? Obviously the writers don't 'strictly prohibit' meddling with the limitations of mortality now, do they?

Not sure why Airachnid-lovers are so dang insistent that SHE be the one, and fight to try and dismiss the notion that it could be Silas, who has just as plausible a chance of being the 'captured enemy' of 'Minus One' as anybody. However, in the interest of fairness, I will throw the Silas-haters a bone and add this caveat: We're all just speculating. Until they show 'Minus One', it's all merely educated guesswork.

Posted: **Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:59 pm**

Shockwave7 wrote:How would Silas know anything about Megatron's plots? Daaah, gee - he's been alive and on the ship for quite a while. Ya think he might... ya know... HEAR things? It wouldn't be the first time that a character on this TV show improbably relayed information that Vehicons, Insecticons and even Megatron were casually discussing while strolling the corridors, or shooting the breeze in their labs. Weren't Knockout and Starscream doing just that - discussing Project Predacon, and other things, RIGHT THERE while Silas was twitching on his slab? 'Daaah, how would he know', indeed. He'd know a lot more than Airachnid, who was in stasis the whole time, and who knows absolutely nothing about any of it.

Sorry, kid, but Dark Eneron is deadly to humans. Silas is more than likely dead.

Could it be Airachnid? Maybe. But Soundwave dumped her and all the insecticons onto one of Cybertron's moons with no way to escape. So I find it much LESS likely that it would be Airachnid than Silas, who is still on earth, and by no means 'certainly' dead.

Airachnid could request a ground bridge from the Autobots. Starscream, Megatron, and Dreadwing had no problem doing so.

Gee - repetition on a TV show. Yeah, I've never heard of any TV program doing anything like THAT before... /sarc

Because I was stating an impossibility and CLEARLY not a distaste. /sarc

Daaaah, gee - Dark Energon? Daaah, gee - re-animates the dead? Daaah, he died before when Airachnid killed him, yet he's STILL in the series? Doesn't sound like his body 'stayed dead', now does it?

The character is dead. All of Breakdown's reanimations were to support another character's well-being or as a mindless zombie, neither of whih revive the character of Breakdown; just his lifeless body. Therefore, daaaaahhhh geeee, Breakdown couldn't come back from the dead. :roll:

Not sure why Airachnid-lovers are so dang insistent that SHE be the one, and fight to try and dismiss the notion that it could be Silas, who has just as plausible a chance of being the 'captured enemy' of 'Minus One' as anybody. However, in the interest of fairness, I will throw the Silas-haters a bone and add this caveat: We're all just speculating. Until they show 'Minus One', it's all merely educated guesswork.

Yes, but speculation is open to discussion and question. As I said before, Silas is most likely dead thanks to the synthetic and dark energon infusions overloading his organic body.

Posted: **Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:48 pm**

All this "duh gee" stuff is getting real old, guys. :roll:

Shockwave7 wrote:Silas may not have to depend on Breakdown's body being functional in order to stay alive.

That was the whole point of hooking him up to Breakdown's body in the first place. His own human body had been mortally wounded that he had to be surgically fused to Breakdown's body in order to survive.

Shockwave7 wrote: Besides, he has bits of Dark Energon in him. Ya know - 'bring back the dead' and all that...? Huh? HUH?

1. I'm not PrymeStriker. I wasn't giving you an attitude, so I find yours given to me unwarranted.
2. Dark Energon reanimating the dead works on machines. For humans, however, the stuff is lethal. Raf was nearly killed by the stuff back in the season 1 finale.

Shockwave7 wrote:If 'gee they don't have many episodes left' is your sticking point, that's all the more reason to use Silas, an established character with a pre-built model. It'll be a lot easier for the writers to have Silas recover, be captured, and interrogated as opposed to writing a way for Airachnid to travel light years away without a spacebridge, without rocket propulsion, and without anyone on Earth who wants to bring her back.

I never suggested Airachid, so kindly don't aim that snap towards me.

As for the argument of using Silas since he already has a pre-built model, so does every single other character who's appeared on this show, so he's hardly that special in that regard. :-B

Shockwave7 wrote:Daaaah, gee - Dark Energon? Daaah, gee - re-animates the dead? Daaah, he died before when Airachnid killed him, yet he's STILL in the series? Doesn't sound like his body 'stayed dead', now does it? Obviously the writers don't 'strictly prohibit' meddling with the limitations of mortality now, do they?

Breakdown is dead, and has been dead all this time. Cylas is not the same person as Breakdown, thus he was in control of the dead guy's body at the time. The body might have life to it, but the soul of Breakdown is long gone.

PrymeStriker wrote:Airachnid could request a ground bridge from the Autobots. Starscream, Megatron, and Dreadwing had no problem doing so.

On Earth, yes. Billions and billiosn of lightyears away on the uninhabited moon of a dead planet with likely no communications with the outside world? Probably not.

Posted: **Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:29 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:All this "duh gee" stuff is getting real old, guys.

Since when was it young?

1. I'm not PrymeStriker. I wasn't giving you an attitude, so I find yours given to me unwarranted.

When did I give him an attitude until my most recent post? :???:

2. Dark Energon reanimating the dead works on machines. For humans, however, the stuff is lethal. Raf was nearly killed by the stuff back in the season 1 finale.

Thank you.

On Earth, yes. Billions and billiosn of lightyears away on the uninhabited moon of a dead planet with likely no communications with the outside world? Probably not.

Yeah, I was under the impression that the Autobots had a space bridge, but that was destroyed in Outpost Omega One's combustion. With that, I also thought the Autobots could detect distress signals through said bridge upgrade from Cybertron's proximity.

Well then, perhaps an existing Decepticon could attempt to make a deal with Airachnid only to be double crossed. In any case, it can't be Silas.

Posted: **Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:16 am**

Zap2it has now updated their Transformers Prime Beast Hunters program guide with the description of episode 11, "Persuasion". This episode is scheduled to air on July 12th, take a look at the brief synopsis below:

Megatron appeals to Ratchet; Optimus takes on the Predacon.

Posted: **Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:21 am**

Could Ratchet be the Anakin to Megatron's Palpatine? :-?

Posted: **Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:59 am**

Watch Megatron persuade Ratchet to join the Decepticons and I'll jump up and down right then and there in the living room. :KREMZEEK:

Posted: **Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:24 pm**

It sounds like Megatron is angling for some kind of an alliance...

Posted: **Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:59 pm**

Sounds to me like Predaking and mates go rogue and Megatron goes to the Autobots for help, kind alike back when Unicron blew him off.

Posted: **Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:43 pm**

I'd be willing to bet he's pulling a Starscream. He'll of been thrashed by Predaking and calls for repairs.

Posted: **Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:51 pm**

Twitchythe3rd wrote:I'd be willing to bet he's pulling a Starscream. He'll of been thrashed by Predaking and calls for repairs.

What about Knock Out?

Posted: **Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:54 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
Twitchythe3rd wrote:I'd be willing to bet he's pulling a Starscream. He'll of been thrashed by Predaking and calls for repairs.
What about Knock Out?

I think he means Megatron gets trashed and calls Ratchet like Starscream used to.

Posted: **Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:07 pm**

Dead Metal wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Twitchythe3rd wrote:I'd be willing to bet he's pulling a Starscream. He'll of been thrashed by Predaking and calls for repairs.
What about Knock Out?

I think he means Megatron gets trashed and calls Ratchet like Starscream used to.

Yeah, that's what I mean. Knock Out is Megatron's doctor, has operated on Megatron before, and ought to know his systems better than Ratchet would. So, why call for Ratchet for repairs when Megs has Knock Out?

Posted: **Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:12 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Twitchythe3rd wrote:I'd be willing to bet he's pulling a Starscream. He'll of been thrashed by Predaking and calls for repairs.
What about Knock Out?

I think he means Megatron gets trashed and calls Ratchet like Starscream used to.
Yeah, that's what I mean. Knock Out is Megatron's doctor, has operated on Megatron before, and ought to know his systems better than Ratchet would. So, why call for Ratchet for repairs when Megs has Knock Out?

Unless Knock Out goes rouge in "Minus One"

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